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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 30, 2019 13:50:20 GMT -8
12. Stanford 14. Oregon 19. Arizona 27. Colorado 38. Washington 54. Arizona State 64. Utah 76. USC 80. Oregon State 126. Washington State 162. UCLA 166. California Washington's loss to Houston on Christmas is going to sting going forward......... 11. Oregon 18. Arizona 21. Stanford 23. Colorado 43. Washington 57. Arizona State 62. Utah 72. USC 76. Oregon State 127. Washington State 179. UCLA 184. California
Two big Quardrant 1 games in the next six days.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 1, 2020 11:12:37 GMT -8
Dropped 5 spots from 73 to 78 today. Most likely due to Iowa State losing to Florida A&M at home dropping them to 86 from 59.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 6, 2020 3:04:02 GMT -8
Up to 66 in KenPom after the win over CU. Sitting at 78 in the NET coming in to the game, I would assume that would jump into probably the mid 60s or better after a quadrant 1 road win. Colorado was 18th coming into the game.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Jan 6, 2020 8:31:25 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 6, 2020 10:14:32 GMT -8
Gotta wonder if our preseason schedule was weak enough that going without a loss would have still had us in the fifties.
For years I've seen posters clamoring for a weak preseason in football so we could get wins. They got just that in basketball this year.
Maybe hitting conference play the team was destined to have some issues for a few halves before getting used to the higher level of play. Good to see them finish a game well against decent competition. I'm hoping it continues. I still think it'll be 10 games into league play before we really get a good idea if this team is going to post season play.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 6, 2020 11:56:38 GMT -8
Gotta wonder if our preseason schedule was weak enough that going without a loss would have still had us in the fifties. For years I've seen posters clamoring for a weak preseason in football so we could get wins. They got just that in basketball this year. Maybe hitting conference play the team was destined to have some issues for a few halves before getting used to the higher level of play. Good to see them finish a game well against decent competition. I'm hoping it continues. I still think it'll be 10 games into league play before we really get a good idea if this team is going to post season play. If we are no worse than 6-4 going in to the Oregon game, I like our odds. 5 of the final 8 at home. and while we play Oregon twice in those games, we are home against Utah, Colorado, Stanford and Cal. Roadies to ASU and AZ, a road trip we should expect to split if we are, indeed, a tourney bound team. 6-4 first 10, 5-3 final 8... 11-7 Pac-12 record is probably good enough. 21 regular season wins and probably a top 4 finish with that record. Still probably need a win or two in the tourney to ice it. Of course that all depends on other teams and the ranking fall out and all that jazz. I still think Pac-12 gets a minimum of 4 teams in. maybe 5, but that is super iffy. I should also add 21 wins and 11 conference wins would likely be our best season in, I dunno, eleventy-billion years.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 6, 2020 13:41:27 GMT -8
Gotta wonder if our preseason schedule was weak enough that going without a loss would have still had us in the fifties. For years I've seen posters clamoring for a weak preseason in football so we could get wins. They got just that in basketball this year. Maybe hitting conference play the team was destined to have some issues for a few halves before getting used to the higher level of play. Good to see them finish a game well against decent competition. I'm hoping it continues. I still think it'll be 10 games into league play before we really get a good idea if this team is going to post season play. Hoops and football preseason scheduling is extreme apples to oranges. Football the magic is getting 6 W's vs D1 teams. Hoops you need to be upper echelon of your conference, have a decent conference tourney, AND have a decent COMPLETE schedule to earn a NET rating that can not be ignored. As there are limited at-large berths and conference tourney upsets have a huge impact a resume in hoops is far more important than in football, unless of course you're talking about a top four scenario. Yeah, I wish!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 6, 2020 15:12:10 GMT -8
Speaking of the conference tourney. Seems to me the last several years the team has plain been flat out of gas by that time of the season. I'm hoping with a few of the bench kids getting more time during the season maybe everyone's legs will be fresher, at least fresh enough to win a couple games in the tourney. That could be the dif between NCAA and NIT, or any tournament at all, this season.
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Post by beaversproud on Jan 7, 2020 8:05:01 GMT -8
Speaking of the conference tourney. Seems to me the last several years the team has plain been flat out of gas by that time of the season. I'm hoping with a few of the bench kids getting more time during the season maybe everyone's legs will be fresher, at least fresh enough to win a couple games in the tourney. That could be the dif between NCAA and NIT, or any tournament at all, this season. I think you'll find that good players, spread the love and make everyone else good especially in the first half (high assists, everyone has points). If needed, they take over a game in the second because they haven't had to work that hard, AND they still have the legs for it. If your best player (tries to) do it all... then they wear out and can't sustain performance. One reason we gas out in Pac-12. Players thinking, or maybe actually have to.... Do it all.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 7, 2020 12:34:16 GMT -8
Gotta wonder if our preseason schedule was weak enough that going without a loss would have still had us in the fifties. For years I've seen posters clamoring for a weak preseason in football so we could get wins. They got just that in basketball this year. Maybe hitting conference play the team was destined to have some issues for a few halves before getting used to the higher level of play. Good to see them finish a game well against decent competition. I'm hoping it continues. I still think it'll be 10 games into league play before we really get a good idea if this team is going to post season play. If we are no worse than 6-4 going in to the Oregon game, I like our odds. 5 of the final 8 at home. and while we play Oregon twice in those games, we are home against Utah, Colorado, Stanford and Cal. Roadies to ASU and AZ, a road trip we should expect to split if we are, indeed, a tourney bound team. 6-4 first 10, 5-3 final 8... 11-7 Pac-12 record is probably good enough. 21 regular season wins and probably a top 4 finish with that record. Still probably need a win or two in the tourney to ice it. Of course that all depends on other teams and the ranking fall out and all that jazz. I still think Pac-12 gets a minimum of 4 teams in. maybe 5, but that is super iffy. I should also add 21 wins and 11 conference wins would likely be our best season in, I dunno, eleventy-billion years. Good point about the schedule. Oregon State's schedule is somewhat front-loaded. If the Beavers can build up a 6-4 or 7-3 conference record and can hold serve on the back end of the schedule, this could be a fun season. 20-10 probably does not cut it, absent at least two wins in the Pac-12 Tournament. 21-9 with at least one Pac-12 Tournament win is probably a bare minimum. At 22-8, Oregon State might get away with a loss in the Pac-12 Tournament. A lot depends on seeding, how Oregon State finishes, and how they play in wins and losses. ESPN has five teams in with USC the eighth out. CBS has six teams in with Utah the third out. Oregon State needs to move up to fifth to feel good about an at large berth. Fourth would be even better, assuming that the Beavers can dispatch the 5/12 winner. Warren Nolan is projecting Oregon State to go 10-8 and finish seventh on my screen right now. If that happens, Oregon State probably would need to beat #10 Arizona State and #2 Stanford to stand a chance of being selected as an at large. 11-7 in conference and 21-9 overall would be Oregon State's best regular season since 1989-90, when the Beavers went 15-3 and 22-5, respectively. #1 Oregon State proceeded to drop the Pac-12 Tournament game, a true road game against #8 Arizona State and was given a five-seed in the NCAA Tournament, which the Beavers infamously dropped to Ball State. All that to say that 23 wins before a Tournament invite would be a record, stretching back to 1981-82.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 7, 2020 13:27:17 GMT -8
If we are no worse than 6-4 going in to the Oregon game, I like our odds. 5 of the final 8 at home. and while we play Oregon twice in those games, we are home against Utah, Colorado, Stanford and Cal. Roadies to ASU and AZ, a road trip we should expect to split if we are, indeed, a tourney bound team. 6-4 first 10, 5-3 final 8... 11-7 Pac-12 record is probably good enough. 21 regular season wins and probably a top 4 finish with that record. Still probably need a win or two in the tourney to ice it. Of course that all depends on other teams and the ranking fall out and all that jazz. I still think Pac-12 gets a minimum of 4 teams in. maybe 5, but that is super iffy. I should also add 21 wins and 11 conference wins would likely be our best season in, I dunno, eleventy-billion years. Good point about the schedule. Oregon State's schedule is somewhat front-loaded. If the Beavers can build up a 6-4 or 7-3 conference record and can hold serve on the back end of the schedule, this could be a fun season. 20-10 probably does not cut it, absent at least two wins in the Pac-12 Tournament. 21-9 with at least one Pac-12 Tournament win is probably a bare minimum. At 22-8, Oregon State might get away with a loss in the Pac-12 Tournament. A lot depends on seeding, how Oregon State finishes, and how they play in wins and losses. ESPN has five teams in with USC the eighth out. CBS has six teams in with Utah the third out. Oregon State needs to move up to fifth to feel good about an at large berth. Fourth would be even better, assuming that the Beavers can dispatch the 5/12 winner. Warren Nolan is projecting Oregon State to go 10-8 and finish seventh on my screen right now. If that happens, Oregon State probably would need to beat #10 Arizona State and #2 Stanford to stand a chance of being selected as an at large. 11-7 in conference and 21-9 overall would be Oregon State's best regular season since 1989-90, when the Beavers went 15-3 and 22-5, respectively. #1 Oregon State proceeded to drop the Pac-12 Tournament game, a true road game against #8 Arizona State and was given a five-seed in the NCAA Tournament, which the Beavers infamously dropped to Ball State. All that to say that 23 wins before a Tournament invite would be a record, stretching back to 1981-82. Yeah, a ton of devils in the details. generally speaking an 11-7 record puts you in that 4th place slot more times than not. last year, it would of been 3rd. two years ago, 3 way tie for 3rd. in 2016, 4th, 2015, 5th. 2014, 4th. I am okay assuming 11-7 lands you 4th place this year. The big devil is the overall, the head to heads, and how everybody else does, of course.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 13, 2020 7:59:12 GMT -8
Back up to #45 from #61 after the win last night. If you believe the conference gets 5 teams in this year than that puts OSU in the 5th spot as far as NET is concerned. Beavs are 58th in KenPom which is 6th in the conference.
Other rankings: #11 Stanford #13 uo #18 Arizona #21 Colorado #46 Oklahoma #51 UW #59 ASU #60 Utah #68 USC #71 Iowa State #118 Texas A&M #126 WSU #149 UCLA #155 Cal
OSU is 2-1 in quadrant 1 games in conference play and 2-2 overall while being 0-1 in quadrant 2 games in conference play and 1-2 overall. 9-0 in quadrant 3 and 4 games.
This road trip gives an opportunity for another (potential, depending on if UW keeps falling in the rankings as the season goes along) quadrant 1 game and a quadrant 2 game.
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 13, 2020 9:44:42 GMT -8
Back up to #45 from #61 after the win last night. If you believe the conference gets 5 teams in this year than that puts OSU in the 5th spot as far as NET is concerned. Beavs are 58th in KenPom which is 6th in the conference. Other rankings: #11 Stanford #13 uo #18 Arizona #21 Colorado #46 Oklahoma #51 UW #59 ASU #60 Utah #68 USC #71 Iowa State #118 Texas A&M #126 WSU #149 UCLA #155 Cal OSU is 2-1 in quadrant 1 games in conference play and 2-2 overall while being 0-1 in quadrant 2 games in conference play and 1-2 overall. 9-0 in quadrant 3 and 4 games. This road trip gives an opportunity for another (potential, depending on if UW keeps falling in the rankings as the season goes along) quadrant 1 game and a quadrant 2 game. So this week's games are HUGE. Starting with Thurs at UW. It looks like PAC-12 has 4 teams in the NCAA Tourney...5 battling for a 5th or 6th(not very realistic) spot...and 3 that are DOA at this point. Need to quit losing to the likes of ASU and Utah. Those middle 4 teams/games are looming large.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 13, 2020 11:30:50 GMT -8
Another thing to note, there are currently TWELVE Big Ten teams in the top 41 of the NET (including four teams that haven't won a road game yet). There is absolutely no way 12 teams get in from the conference so that could also help OSU's chances if the committee doesn't want that many teams from 1 conference.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 13, 2020 12:19:15 GMT -8
Back up to #45 from #61 after the win last night. If you believe the conference gets 5 teams in this year than that puts OSU in the 5th spot as far as NET is concerned. Beavs are 58th in KenPom which is 6th in the conference. Other rankings: #11 Stanford #13 uo #18 Arizona #21 Colorado #46 Oklahoma #51 UW #59 ASU #60 Utah #68 USC #71 Iowa State #118 Texas A&M #126 WSU #149 UCLA #155 Cal OSU is 2-1 in quadrant 1 games in conference play and 2-2 overall while being 0-1 in quadrant 2 games in conference play and 1-2 overall. 9-0 in quadrant 3 and 4 games. This road trip gives an opportunity for another (potential, depending on if UW keeps falling in the rankings as the season goes along) quadrant 1 game and a quadrant 2 game. So this week's games are HUGE. Starting with Thurs at UW. It looks like PAC-12 has 4 teams in the NCAA Tourney...5 battling for a 5th or 6th(not very realistic) spot...and 3 that are DOA at this point. Need to quit losing to the likes of ASU and Utah. Those middle 4 teams/games are looming large. ESPN has five Pac-12 teams in and one as one of the first eight out. CBS has six Pac-12 teams in and on as the first four out. bracketresearch.com has five Pac-12 teams in and Oregon State as the fifth team out of the Tourney, a two-seed in the NIT. Those are the first three that I found. The Pac-12 looks like a five-bid conference to me at this point. I agree that six is a stretch, but CBS has the Pac-12 with six. The Washington game is HUGE, because the Huskies are one of the last four in on ESPN, one of the last six in on CBS, and one of the last eight in on bracketreserach.com. If the Huskies drop out of the conversation, Oregon State can easily jump into that same conversation. A team playing out of their minds, like Arizona State did on Thursday, happens, but it is wildly unhelpful to the cause. Salt Lake City is a tough place to play. A win over the Washingtons would go a long way toward helping the Beavers punch their ticket to the Tourney.
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