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Post by nwhoopfan on Dec 4, 2019 2:48:29 GMT -8
Well, was Michael Jordan a good teammate? Some would probably say yes, others would say no. I seem to recall hearing he was merciless with his fellow Bulls if he thought they weren't performing up to his expectations for them. Hebard probably isn't complaining about Ionescu, probably about 2/3 of her career points have come off dishes from Sabrina. A handful of players have transferred out UO during Ionescu's time there. Is that because of her? I really doubt the real scoop on anything like that will get out to the public.
The 2 incidents in the video clips were low points for her. I don't think Pivec (or any Beaver for that matter) has done anything like that, I can't really imagine it, and I can't see Rueck standing for it. Ionescu's behavior in moments like that is not admirable. You can dislike her on a personal level, you can dislike the Ducks, but "putting asterisks" by her record or diminishing her accomplishments doesn't hold water. She has completely transformed that program and put them at the forefront of WCBB.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 4, 2019 6:54:45 GMT -8
They both seem like fine young women to me. As it happens, I have a daughter their age. She is imperfect, just as we all are, but she is fortunate not to be judged by strangers on the internet. If you don’t want to be “judged by strangers” don’t play college sports in front of thousands of paying customers and hundreds of thousands of television viewers. It comes with the territory. I think Sabrina is an outstanding player. One of the best in PAC-12 conference history. I also think her actions in the closing moments of the UCLA loss speak for themselves. |
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Post by bennyskid on Dec 4, 2019 9:23:03 GMT -8
It's on the coaches. You can't expect an 18-year-old girl to understand how to handle everything that is going to come at her in college - especially if she happens to be a tremendous talent in a popular sport. It's up to the coaches to prepare her, and it's something that good coaches work on every single day. I have never discerned that character-building is a priority for Graves - I have heard a number of anecdotes that suggest that it isn't. so I'm not surprised that we see occasional outbursts from players and girls transferring out. I would like to think - we'll never know for sure - that if Sabrina had come to OSU, played with great role models like Sydney and Marie, and been coached by Scott and his crew that Sabrina would have been better prepared to deal with her frustration on that particular day.
She probably would have saved it for the locker room, where should would have punched the wall, broke her hand, and had to sit out for a dozen or so games.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 4, 2019 10:09:48 GMT -8
During the Liberty game one of the players fell to the floor with some flare/drama. Ron Callan commented on it... sounded like he was gong to make a comparison to SI. He didn't - smart guy. Anyway it got me thinking that someone maybe put together a clip of her more flamboyant flops. A quick search didn't find one, but I'm guessing one is out there. Go Beavs. Check out the final seconds of last year's CW victory at Gill. She tried a 3-pointer right in front of Katie Mac and then falls over backwards. Not even the Russians would give her more than a 6 on that one. At the 2:47 mark. Flopsy at her worst. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 4, 2019 11:08:54 GMT -8
It's on the coaches. You can't expect an 18-year-old girl to understand how to handle everything that is going to come at her in college - especially if she happens to be a tremendous talent in a popular sport. It's up to the coaches to prepare her, and it's something that good coaches work on every single day. I have never discerned that character-building is a priority for Graves - I have heard a number of anecdotes that suggest that it isn't. so I'm not surprised that we see occasional outbursts from players and girls transferring out. I would like to think - we'll never know for sure - that if Sabrina had come to OSU, played with great role models like Sydney and Marie, and been coached by Scott and his crew that Sabrina would have been better prepared to deal with her frustration on that particular day. She probably would have saved it for the locker room, where should would have punched the wall, broke her hand, and had to sit out for a dozen or so games. BTW, Happy Birthday Sabrina. Turns 22 on 12/6/19. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 4, 2019 11:12:02 GMT -8
Ion on national broadcast said her coaches were yelling at her to grab "all the rebounds" so she could get a triple double. How are her team mates supposed to see that? But that's on her coaches, not Ion. Both Rueck and Tinkle have specifically said they were not going to send in a player, "just to get a triple double" to quote Tinkle. Why is stating these facts "childish", reflecting poorly on ourselves, and "beyond ridiculous"? Ion is friends with at least two of the Beav's so I'll take it that she must have good qualities. I think it's just a shame that her coaches doing their best to stuff her stats when they can will mean that one of the best players I will have ever watched will, in my mind anyway, have an ? by her accomplishments. Because if you actually read these "facts" you cherry pick aren't the only things mentioned and are attributed to her... not her coach. Lots of great players have unpleasant temperaments and highly competitive spirits that lead to unfortunate acts. She's a great college player... period. The hypocrites on this board would have LOVED her to have chosen OSU. Anyone who said her publicity stunts were lame then excused her as not a fit for OSU is full of crap. Would she have acted exactly the same under SR? Who knows. But, there is zero way to know or if SR would have done much differently than Graves. Anything to the contrary is bias BS and plays out as sour grapes by spurned fans. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Dec 4, 2019 11:39:11 GMT -8
Anyone who says they want to be “the piece” will likely not be happy at OSU.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 4, 2019 13:55:11 GMT -8
One question: Who would you rather have your daughter/granddaughter, hell anyone, choose as a role model, Mik or i? Is that the point? Role models? And, asking in this forum it's a rhetorical question. On a uck forum? Again, bashing an opponent is childish and reflects poorly on Beaver fans. No one asked for anyone to like her, but this just making crap up about her as a teammate, coach forcing teammates to get her stats, etc. etc. etc. is beyond ridiculous. Oh no, I've offended the great noballs. If you are embarrassed here don't visit. Just how many schmuck games have your seen in person? When my mom was diagnosed with cancer I started escorting her to the games so she could continue to see them. That was when i was a freshman and sophomore. I witnessed her yelling at graves when he took her out multiple times, if that didn't work she would throw a tantrum, and towels, warm ups and whatever was handy. I saw her screaming at her teammates. Then you have her antics that were caught on film, pushing a teammate on the court in a game is unacceptable period. Grabbing a ball during a game when you are on the bench and taking a shot is unacceptable. Leaving the bench during a game and throwing a water bottle (and a fit) is unacceptable. And Rueck has said that he expects his players to be a positive role model. So yes that is one point. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 4, 2019 14:46:01 GMT -8
Is that the point? Role models? And, asking in this forum it's a rhetorical question. On a uck forum? Again, bashing an opponent is childish and reflects poorly on Beaver fans. No one asked for anyone to like her, but this just making crap up about her as a teammate, coach forcing teammates to get her stats, etc. etc. etc. is beyond ridiculous. Oh no, I've offended the great noballs. If you are embarrassed here don't visit. Just how many schmuck games have your seen in person? When my mom was diagnosed with cancer I started escorting her to the games so she could continue to see them. That was when i was a freshman and sophomore. I witnessed her yelling at graves when he took her out multiple times, if that didn't work she would throw a tantrum, and towels, warm ups and whatever was handy. I saw her screaming at her teammates. Then you have her antics that were caught on film, pushing a teammate on the court in a game is unacceptable period. Grabbing a ball during a game when you are on the bench and taking a shot is unacceptable. Leaving the bench during a game and throwing a water bottle (and a fit) is unacceptable. And Rueck has said that he expects his players to be a positive role model. So yes that is one point. First, lame ass folks embarrass me as representing Beaver Nation not the site. But, then again you would make a lame connection. Next, I do actually see their games in person, good WBB is good WBB basketball. But, chose not have to publicly ridicule a player because I do not like the way she acted on occasion. She's not my 'style', and I'd have had some runs in with her if she was on a team coached by me. But, again I do not have to stereotype her overall personality and what teammates think of her by just making s%#t up. What you have observed is a minuscule portion of who she is... on and off the court. Third, this was never a discussion on Rueck vs Graves and what they expect from their players. If you depend on athletes to all be role models your a weak ass parent... or will be. Athletes come from the same population as the rest of us... good and bad human beings exist in all circles of society. She's not your (or others on this board) cup of tea, but the over the top BS about a player is immature. Grow up. and, if you do have kids now or in the future I hope you are a better role model than what you show on this board. As witnessed and mentioned by others over the years she is friends with several Beaver players. Guess that makes our players have questionable judgement hanging with such a low life? |
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Post by TheGlove on Dec 4, 2019 15:21:51 GMT -8
Ionescu pushed my wheelchair bound Grandmother down a flight of stairs.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Dec 4, 2019 15:27:01 GMT -8
Goodman and Tudor both played in the Cal Stars AAU program and as teammates with Ionescu in the past. Goodman played 3x3 with Ionescu this summer in Italy.
I am sure that both of those Beavers admire Sab's competitive fire. I am also convinced that Goodman and Tudor also recognize the negativity that Sab can inject into a situation that does not go Sab's way. Sab handles her business differently than most star female basketball players. As a supporter of Sab, you have to be prepared to accept some poor actions as a teammate in order to allow her to be herself. Graves allows and tolerates it because of Sab's tremendous upside. Some coaches would attempt to be corrective in order to ensure that team dynamics are not negatively impacted too significantly.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 4, 2019 15:27:38 GMT -8
When I saw the duck games it was either before conference play or at the expense of seeing the beavers play. I missed a lot of games at Gill in those two years. It was worth it so my mom could watch the games she wanted to see.
I'm sure graves wants his players to be good role models, I've heard him say it many times at their fast break club meetings. I'd bet that most coaches want their players to be good role models. But that means nothing to you because you need to be your children's only role model.
The schmucks are a really good team and they have some really nice young women playing for them. Cazorla, Boley, Hebard, McGuire, and many more are great people as well as players.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 4, 2019 15:51:50 GMT -8
First, lame ass folks embarrass me as representing Beaver Nation not the site. But, then again you would make a lame connection. Next, I do actually see their games in person, good WBB is good WBB basketball. But, chose not have to publicly ridicule a player because I do not like the way she acted on occasion. She's not my 'style', and I'd have had some runs in with her if she was on a team coached by me. But, again I do not have to stereotype her overall personality and what teammates think of her by just making s%#t up. What you have observed is a minuscule portion of who she is... on and off the court. Third, this was never a discussion on Rueck vs Graves and what they expect from their players. If you depend on athletes to all be role models your a weak ass parent... or will be. Athletes come from the same population as the rest of us... good and bad human beings exist in all circles of society. She's not your (or others on this board) cup of tea, but the over the top BS about a player is immature. Grow up. and, if you do have kids now or in the future I hope you are a better role model than what you show on this board. As witnessed and mentioned by others over the years she is friends with several Beaver players. Guess that makes our players have questionable judgement hanging with such a low life? It’s kind of humorous that posting a clip of a players actions on the hardwood in front of 10K+ spectators is considered “ridicule”. BTW, you are the only person I’ve ever heard use the term “low life” in association with any WBB player. Congrats for that. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 4, 2019 16:12:18 GMT -8
Is that the point? Role models? And, asking in this forum it's a rhetorical question. On a uck forum? Again, bashing an opponent is childish and reflects poorly on Beaver fans. No one asked for anyone to like her, but this just making crap up about her as a teammate, coach forcing teammates to get her stats, etc. etc. etc. is beyond ridiculous. Oh no, I've offended the great noballs. If you are embarrassed here don't visit. Just how many schmuck games have your seen in person? When my mom was diagnosed with cancer I started escorting her to the games so she could continue to see them. That was when i was a freshman and sophomore. I witnessed her yelling at graves when he took her out multiple times, if that didn't work she would throw a tantrum, and towels, warm ups and whatever was handy. I saw her screaming at her teammates. Then you have her antics that were caught on film, pushing a teammate on the court in a game is unacceptable period. Grabbing a ball during a game when you are on the bench and taking a shot is unacceptable. Leaving the bench during a game and throwing a water bottle (and a fit) is unacceptable. And Rueck has said that he expects his players to be a positive role model. So yes that is one point. Yeah. Thanks for reminding me about that little gem. In their first round NCAA playoff game against an overmatched Portland State, with her team up by 40(!) she decides to yuk it up on the bench by grabbing an out of bounds ball and launching a shot at the basket. She of course got T’d up and looked around with a big clueless “whatdidido” grin while her enabling head coach bit his tongue and avoided eye contact. Another shining moment for the state of Oregon’s other WBB program. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 4, 2019 16:17:37 GMT -8
Oh no, I've offended the great noballs. If you are embarrassed here don't visit. Just how many schmuck games have your seen in person? When my mom was diagnosed with cancer I started escorting her to the games so she could continue to see them. That was when i was a freshman and sophomore. I witnessed her yelling at graves when he took her out multiple times, if that didn't work she would throw a tantrum, and towels, warm ups and whatever was handy. I saw her screaming at her teammates. Then you have her antics that were caught on film, pushing a teammate on the court in a game is unacceptable period. Grabbing a ball during a game when you are on the bench and taking a shot is unacceptable. Leaving the bench during a game and throwing a water bottle (and a fit) is unacceptable. And Rueck has said that he expects his players to be a positive role model. So yes that is one point. Yeah. Thanks for reminding me about that little gem. In their first round NCAA playoff game against an overmatched Portland State, with her team up by 40(!) she decides to yuk it up on the bench by grabbing an out of bounds ball and launching a shot at the basket. She of course got T’d up and looked around with a big clueless “whatdidido” grin while her enabling head coach bit his tongue and avoided eye contact. Another shining moment for the state of Oregon’s other WBB program. She seems to really bring out the best in you. Sarcasm... cuz you're a bit slow if you think the only mention of ridicule was a clip. Keep quoting your own quotes you may finally agree with yourself! Lol |
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