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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 11, 2019 20:29:47 GMT -8
Tres Tinkle, Steven Thompson, Derrick Bruce, Big G, Eubanks and Manuel from the NCAA team were all WT recruits.
Victor Robbins was gone halfway through WT's first year. Tinkle didn't put up with the crap from him that CR accepted. CR hardly ever even played LMW. Under WT, he became a solid 6th man.
And if his best seasons were with CR recruits, he sure coached them better than CR ever did.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 11, 2019 20:32:27 GMT -8
Far far better than Robinson inherited? Robinson inherited virtually every player John had that played a couple minutes a game but Marcel Jones. Every starter, every backup but a couple backups that left. He still had John players starting for him in year 3. None of the Robinson players Tinkle inherited were major contributors under Robinson, only one even managed 10 minutes a game under Robinson. No Robinson recruits other than oft injured N’Diaye existed on the team in Tinkle’s 3rd season. You come across as blinded by bias. Lol... not the one inventing things to prove WT is a good coach. So the players CR inherited... their last two seasons being 17-46/3-33... coached by JJ and KM... were better? Lol Now that's bias. Or someone who didn't watch many games. Again... you keep making up stuff to excuse the facts... 5 seasons... 20 games under .500 in conference... 10th best in that span. Keep digging for reasons, I'll stand on the results. Cuz... they are what count.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 11, 2019 20:54:30 GMT -8
Tres Tinkle, Steven Thompson, Derrick Bruce, Big G, Eubanks and Manuel from the NCAA team were all WT recruits. Victor Robbins was gone halfway through WT's first year. Tinkle didn't put up with the crap from him that CR accepted. CR hardly ever even played LMW. Under WT, he became a solid 6th man. And if his best seasons were with CR recruits, he sure coached them better than CR ever did. Or they were well coached before and matured in year 3? As not many since have improved as much and shown such an overall contribution. So maybe? So... some say WT inherited nothing... now he coached them up but can't coach or keep his own recruits to that level. Is that about right? Again... he's not going any where so we'll see what great strides are made. Maybe get to .500 in conference in what, 10 years averaging 10-8? I am impressed how many excuses, reasons there are for the said results. But, then again how is a MBB coach supposed to compete with the Zona, Cali schools, and Seattle? When the consistent team play shows up I'll fully admit I'm wrong, not that my opinions and the actual results matter. They're my thoughts... although not mine alone. Many expect far more from the MBB program. Ok... some of you can keep going, but this is the proverbial dead horse. Let's let the season play out. Go Beavs
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 11, 2019 21:50:36 GMT -8
let the season play out is what a lot of us want. You are the one saying he can’t coach.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 11, 2019 22:02:23 GMT -8
let the season play out is what a lot of us want. You are the one saying he can’t coach. In response to your insinuation that coaching discussions have to wait, not about WT's coaching itself. I say he's not a good coach or teacher. Obviously he can coach. I say the excuses for 20 games under .500 are BS/old, and hypocritical... especially for this board. And, "want"? Meaning discussions can't take place until the season's over? I believe talk of contract, extension, current record of success or lack there of is pretty typical on a fan board. Right?
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Post by obf on Oct 14, 2019 10:47:22 GMT -8
Except that the article says someone asked about a predicted finish, not necessarily his predicted finish. Then goes on to say that the goal is to be better than that so there's no sense talking about it. It also says that Tinkle believes he has a roster that could do better than last years 4th place finish. So who's really cherry picking one part of the article to make a point? I guess I should have read the rest of the article. When you make $2 million/yr you should know that there are lazy people like me that don't read every column inch. So you need to be on message all the time. A proper response should be, I don't care about the polls, we are going to finish in the top half of the conference. That way you don't have your message buried deep in an article - and your opposition can't clip a quote out of context. But, yeah, I should have kept reading. I am glad you finished the article and saw that Tinkle never said anything about finishing where predicted and DID in fact immediately stay on message and say that preseason rankings don't matter and that he expects to finish btter than last year. Being a former reporter yourself, you know better than anyone that the coachs words and message are only as impactful as where the author put them. This articleis a meandering one that covers both OSU and uofo and is quite poorly written. The author is clumsy at best and disingenuous at worst, he inplies that Tinkle himself made the between 5thand 8th prediction, when it was just teh question posed to him.
Anyway, doesn't matter we shall see how they actually finish. I am actually pretty excited for this year. This is the first frehsman class I have been interested in since Ethans first year.
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Post by obf on Oct 14, 2019 10:57:14 GMT -8
And we have more kids making academic all-conference than we ever have . . . more kids than Stanford. He runs a high-character program that fits the OSU culture and doesn't get into the news for the wrong reasons. WT has zero to do with player academics. None. The players do the work and have the pride to succeed. The academic staff plays a large role, but coaches not! What culture? Curious... what other recent coaches had players consistently in the news? Or 9(?) transfers out? Give WT credit for 4th place, only one losing season, 1st tourney in 20+ years, etc... but, not the kids talent and work in the classroom. PS- a tiny bit tougher to get high GPA at Furd. Granted this is an anecdote from another sport, and I HATE to step on your toes with "insider knowledge from a player", but... I was chatting with a football player after the Utah loss, and to steer the conversation away from the awkward result I asked him about the biggest differences betwwen QA and Jonathan Smith (He was a freshman in 2017) and he said without a beat: 1.) Professionalism -- (huh, who would have thunk, QA wasn't very professional ) 2.) Focus on academics and the success of the whole student. Whether that focus comes directly from JS checking each students grade book, or from JS directing his staff to direct teh academic advisors to make it a priority, at least the actual student athletes attribute it to the head coach. So I think we are pretty safe giving the various head coaches (and maybe a smidge to the AD) a bit of credit as well. Maybe it is just people looking for silver linings, but it seems to me that most of the programs have upped their academic performances, which is great! Now we just need the on field/court performances to match FWIW, I am not a huge Tinkle supporter, but am glad the students are doing well in school. I am caustiously optimistic abuot this season and the freshman/JC class coming in.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 14, 2019 11:05:00 GMT -8
WT has zero to do with player academics. None. The players do the work and have the pride to succeed. The academic staff plays a large role, but coaches not! What culture? Curious... what other recent coaches had players consistently in the news? Or 9(?) transfers out? Give WT credit for 4th place, only one losing season, 1st tourney in 20+ years, etc... but, not the kids talent and work in the classroom. PS- a tiny bit tougher to get high GPA at Furd. Granted this is an anecdote from another sport, and I HATE to step on your toes with "insider knowledge from a player", but... I was chatting with a football player after the Utah loss, and to steer the conversation away from the awkward result I asked him about the biggest differences betwwen QA and Jonathan Smith (He was a freshman in 2017) and he said without a beat: 1.) Professionalism -- (huh, who would have thunk, QA wasn't very professional ) 2.) Focus on academics and the success of the whole student. Whether that focus comes directly from JS checking each students grade book, or from JS directing his staff to direct teh academic advisors to make it a priority, at least the actual student athletes attribute it to the head coach. So I think we are pretty safe giving the various head coaches (and maybe a smidge to the AD) a bit of credit as well. Maybe it is just people looking for silver linings, but it seems to me that most of the programs have upped their academic performances, which is great! Now we just need the on field/court performances to match FWIW, I am not a huge Tinkle supporter, but am glad the students are doing well in school. I am caustiously optimistic abuot this season and the freshman/JC class coming in. My point wasn't that a coach can set a tone... it was that the players do the work. They get the credit. A tone is a guideline that may or or may not be followed, and isn't responsible for the success or failure in the classroom... that is on the players... they get the credit or blame. And... in football it is much easier to discipline with 85+ players and position depth than 13-15 and really no depth in certain areas. But, I'll readily admit I am NOT a WT fan, and his receiving credit for being a good coach because of player academic success is another of the BS excuses covering for the lack of performance. MY opinion of course... Go Beavs
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Post by obf on Oct 14, 2019 11:17:46 GMT -8
Granted this is an anecdote from another sport, and I HATE to step on your toes with "insider knowledge from a player", but... I was chatting with a football player after the Utah loss, and to steer the conversation away from the awkward result I asked him about the biggest differences betwwen QA and Jonathan Smith (He was a freshman in 2017) and he said without a beat: 1.) Professionalism -- (huh, who would have thunk, QA wasn't very professional ) 2.) Focus on academics and the success of the whole student. Whether that focus comes directly from JS checking each students grade book, or from JS directing his staff to direct teh academic advisors to make it a priority, at least the actual student athletes attribute it to the head coach. So I think we are pretty safe giving the various head coaches (and maybe a smidge to the AD) a bit of credit as well. Maybe it is just people looking for silver linings, but it seems to me that most of the programs have upped their academic performances, which is great! Now we just need the on field/court performances to match FWIW, I am not a huge Tinkle supporter, but am glad the students are doing well in school. I am caustiously optimistic abuot this season and the freshman/JC class coming in. My point wasn't that a coach can set a tone... it was that the players do the work. They get the credit. A tone is a guideline that may or or may not be followed, and isn't responsible for the success or failure in the classroom... that is on the players... they get the credit or blame. And... in football it is much easier to discipline with 85+ players and position depth than 13-15 and really no depth in certain areas. But, I'll readily admit I am NOT a WT fan, and his receiving credit for being a good coach because of player academic success is another of the BS excuses covering for the lack of performance. MY opinion of course... Go Beavs You have good and valid points about Wayne Tinkle's actual basketball coaching qualities and acumen, you can let those stand and continue to champion those opinons and stats without taking ALL credit from him for non-basketball postivies he has brought to the team. Wayne Tinkle may or may not be a good basketball coach, and in the NBA W-L is all that matters, but this is NOT the NBA and it is not insignifigant that folks expect their college coaches to have positive impacts on their teams, players and instituion outside of just stats and finishes. Certainly, we should be very focused on WTs actual basketball results, and be critical of them, but there is no reason to not celebrate his non bball success and congratulate him for them, Lord knows we have had coaches that did NOT have those types of success (nor the on field/court successes either). If all I cared about was wins I would just hope and petiton for Barnes to go hire Dana "Academics" Altman
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Post by blastingsand on Jan 10, 2020 0:32:02 GMT -8
Will be interesting to see how Tinkle's tenure here ends up...
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Post by billsaab on Jan 10, 2020 6:13:49 GMT -8
Many stints do not end well. I give ASU credit they caught us in the first half. I do not think we have a Coach that gets us there very often. We have not gotten quicker and Tres is having a hard time. We shot free throws poorly, and we do not rebound.Kelley is not consistent. Lots of reasons we struggle.
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Post by beavheart on Jan 10, 2020 12:17:44 GMT -8
The fact that Gianni played well in the first half last night, and gave us the quickness that NO ONE else is giving this team, AND THEN didn't hardly sniff the floor in the 2nd half has knocked me squarely OFF of the Tinkle bandwagon. Talk about pissing down your own leg.
Really wanted him to succeed. It's not happening, and things will only be worse next year. Big Wayne's day are numbered IMO, unless he pulls a complete 180.
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Post by seastape on Jan 11, 2020 16:36:30 GMT -8
The fact that Gianni played well in the first half last night, and gave us the quickness that NO ONE else is giving this team, AND THEN didn't hardly sniff the floor in the 2nd half has knocked me squarely OFF of the Tinkle bandwagon. Talk about pissing down your own leg. Really wanted him to succeed. It's not happening, and things will only be worse next year. Big Wayne's day are numbered IMO, unless he pulls a complete 180. Gianni didn't play well in the first half. He took off-balance shots and tried to do too much. He looked like a freshman who knows he can be good but isn't there yet and thus struggles on the floor. Which is what he is. If he sticks around and works then he will be good by his junior year.
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Post by beavheart on Jan 11, 2020 19:09:09 GMT -8
The fact that Gianni played well in the first half last night, and gave us the quickness that NO ONE else is giving this team, AND THEN didn't hardly sniff the floor in the 2nd half has knocked me squarely OFF of the Tinkle bandwagon. Talk about pissing down your own leg. Really wanted him to succeed. It's not happening, and things will only be worse next year. Big Wayne's day are numbered IMO, unless he pulls a complete 180. Gianni didn't play well in the first half. He took off-balance shots and tried to do too much. He looked like a freshman who knows he can be good but isn't there yet and thus struggles on the floor. Which is what he is. If he sticks around and works then he will be good by his junior year. At least he hit a 3. He played better than Vernon.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 11, 2020 19:34:06 GMT -8
He shouldn't be extended and he shouldn't be making more than a million a year with his record. 750 or more should be going into football and the rest to women bb and baseball. We are paying him like he takes us to the tournament every year. We have a major issue with how the athletic budget is being allocated Except... he's making: $2 mil $2.1 mil $2.2 mil $2.3 mil the final year Any NCAA berth auto extends 1 year at the same rate at final year unless new negotiations take place. Also $150k bonus for any NCAA berth. $30k for NIT berth and each NIT win. Whatever happens this year, $2 mil is plenty to draw a talented mid major coach.
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