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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 9, 2019 13:28:12 GMT -8
I’m really surprised by the number of people who seemingly felt this turnaround was going to be relatively quick. The program was in bad shape and it is going to take time. Likely not going to win many this year nor likely next year. That’s not to say there won’t be improvement, just that likely progress won’t mean more wins right away. Obviously D is an area where improvement was and is needed. And despite being 0-2 I think we’ve seen some. Through 2 games they’ve given up 19 fewer points, but more importantly they have twice as many sacks and tackles for losses this year versus last year. So everyone take a breath and give the team some time. Cuz I guarantee you if you don’t you’re going to drive yourself crazy because unless the team embarrasses the school — and I don’t mean with losses — 9er will be here at a minimum through next seasonn.
As to a QB change for game 3, despite his bad 2nd half I think they’ll stick with Luton. However, I wouldn’t mind seeing Gebbia get some action. To avoid a controversy, I’d like to see JS go to the QBs and say I’m going to bring him in for one series in first half and two in second half so it is planned. Also, I saw a few posts saying might as start Gebbia to get ready for next year. These posters would probably be the first to get on team for quitting but that is what they are doing — quitting on the team. You play the QB who gives best chance to win game, period.
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Post by grackle on Sept 9, 2019 16:49:56 GMT -8
Luton couldn't hit his own foot in the 2nd half. So why did Smith leave him there? Niner's decisions may well have contributed substantially to this latest defeat. Starting to lose faith in him and his program. So, I expect your final verdict on Canham by mid-March at the latest. You can "expect" all you want...leaving Luton in there when he was clearly hurting our chances for a win was a clueless move. If you can't see that, well, that's your problem. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 9, 2019 17:20:06 GMT -8
Even when GA was here, I wouldn’t have put many losses on the coaching staff. Sure they recruited the players and put them in horrible alignments and played guys out of position and a whole host of other garbage, but most of those games we were beat before we set foot on the field. But last night.....man. Not using Gebbia when Luton floundered all second half was tough to swallow after Smith said in the pregame show that last week validated his belief that they had two guys that they can score with. Sidelining AP (unless he was hurt) for the second half was tough to swallow. The downside of the fake punt was SO MUCH WORSE than the upside would’ve been had it been completed, it seemed like a risk that you take when you are Portland St. playing Arkansas. We hear all the time that players have to learn how to win. I think the coaching staff does too. Defense did enough. Offense had options they didn’t use. Special teams was adequate. Coaching gets a D- for that game. I hate saying that too. I gotta agree. Coaches need to know when their guy doesn't have it. We have, arguably, the best backfield in the entire Pac-12. Jefferson+AP. If Luton ain't getting it done downfield it is time to pull out the stops, bring in some TEs put BOTH of those guys in the backfield and get real creative. and if that doesn't work. you bite the bullet and bench the kid. I know Smith is worried about that. It is a hard thing to do to pull your starter. It immediate creates controversy and can get in his head. but Luton played like s%#t the second half. no ifs, ands, ors, or buts about it. Coaches needed to coach here. make the adjustment. I said in the other thread, it is a cliche I hate, but the team, all of it, needs to learn how to win. ATown, you have a lot of great stuff on here. What are you basing the playing "like s%#t" comment on? Luton locked on too much to Hodgins, but Lindsey and Togiai were pretty much a liability out there. |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Sept 9, 2019 17:30:51 GMT -8
I gotta agree. Coaches need to know when their guy doesn't have it. We have, arguably, the best backfield in the entire Pac-12. Jefferson+AP. If Luton ain't getting it done downfield it is time to pull out the stops, bring in some TEs put BOTH of those guys in the backfield and get real creative. and if that doesn't work. you bite the bullet and bench the kid. I know Smith is worried about that. It is a hard thing to do to pull your starter. It immediate creates controversy and can get in his head. but Luton played like s%#t the second half. no ifs, ands, ors, or buts about it. Coaches needed to coach here. make the adjustment. I said in the other thread, it is a cliche I hate, but the team, all of it, needs to learn how to win. ATown, you have a lot of great stuff on here. What are you basing the playing "like s%#t" comment on? Luton locked on too much to Hodgins, but Lindsey and Togiai were pretty much a liability out there. There were a lot of drops that's for sure. Luton missed more open guys than I can ever remember him missing but it was not just him out there holding the O back. And even though he completed less than 50% of his passes he did take care of the ball at the very least. The only short fields Hawaii got were handed to them by the coaching staff going for it on 4th down in our own territory on back to back possessions in a TIE game. |
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Post by beavers84 on Sept 9, 2019 18:17:37 GMT -8
I'm sure our backup would have won the game. So do you sit Luton or fire the coach for all of those who wanted the change. Luton starts his back up gets plenty of reps Saturday and whomever looks the best starts against Stanford. Luton doesn't dictate the lineup. If you are going to complain direct it at smith. He makes the calls
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 9, 2019 18:55:59 GMT -8
So, I expect your final verdict on Canham by mid-March at the latest. You can "expect" all you want...leaving Luton in there when he was clearly hurting our chances for a win was a clueless move. If you can't see that, well, that's your problem. There’s merit to saying that Gebbia should have probably come in as Luton struggled mightily in the second half. But in no way should he lose his job over a bad half on the road. And...If you can't see that, well, that's your problem. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 9, 2019 19:00:07 GMT -8
I'm sure our backup would have won the game. So do you sit Luton or fire the coach for all of those who wanted the change. Luton starts his back up gets plenty of reps Saturday and whomever looks the best starts against Stanford. Luton doesn't dictate the lineup. If you are going to complain direct it at smith. He makes the calls Am I misreading your post? You’re “sure” Gebbia would have won the game? If that’s what you’re saying: 1) Ha! 2) Are you Gebbia’s dad? 3) You just lost any credibility you may have had. |
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 9, 2019 19:25:44 GMT -8
I'm sure our backup would have won the game. So do you sit Luton or fire the coach for all of those who wanted the change. Luton starts his back up gets plenty of reps Saturday and whomever looks the best starts against Stanford. Luton doesn't dictate the lineup. If you are going to complain direct it at smith. He makes the calls There you have it. beavers84 is sure that Gebbia saves the day. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 9, 2019 19:32:21 GMT -8
I'm sure our backup would have won the game. So do you sit Luton or fire the coach for all of those who wanted the change. Luton starts his back up gets plenty of reps Saturday and whomever looks the best starts against Stanford. Luton doesn't dictate the lineup. If you are going to complain direct it at smith. He makes the calls There you have it. beavers84 is sure that Gebbia saves the day. Wow. That’s all. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 9, 2019 20:28:02 GMT -8
Is Luton clearly better than Gebbia? Is he marginally better than Gebbia? Is he starting because he has more experience? Are there things he does better in this offense?
I dont know the answer to these questions, if I did it would be an easy choice. If JS sticks with Luton I'd like to believe its because he knows these answers. So I'll defer to him, trust his decision, and root for whomever is under center. Id be willing to bet he is thinking its Luton Saturday, build up his confidence, then maybe we can sneak by Stanford in the opener and build some momentum in Pac 12 play.
What I hope to not see is JS pull the trigger on a QB change midway through the Cal game sitting at 1 and 5 and on it's way to its sixth loss.
If he is at all waffling on Luton, do it now and let Gebbia get the experience to take into next season.
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Post by irimi on Sept 9, 2019 20:37:34 GMT -8
Is Luton clearly better than Gebbia? Is he marginally better than Gebbia? Is he starting because he has more experience? Are there things he does better in this offense? I dont know the answer to these questions, if I did it would be an easy choice. If JS sticks with Luton I'd like to believe its because he knows these answers. So I'll defer to him, trust his decision, and root for whomever is under center. Id be willing to bet he is thinking its Luton Saturday, build up his confidence, then maybe we can sneak by Stanford in the opener and build some momentum in Pac 12 play. What I hope to not see is JS pull the trigger on a QB change midway through the Cal game sitting at 1 and 5 and on it's way to its sixth loss. If he is at all waffling on Luton, do it now and let Gebbia get the experience to take into next season. In the poll that I made in another thread, I intentionally added a selection to place at least some of the burden on the receiving corp. Others have pointed out how Jake is looking primarily for Hodgins, and the stats for the game show that we don't have much production except for Hodgins. That has to change. The fact that Smith is sticking with Luton suggests that the problem lies more with the receivers. Somehow, we've got to get more guys catching the ball. Hodgins is great, but he truly would be a formidable weapon if we had someone else to throw to. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 9, 2019 20:41:39 GMT -8
So, I expect your final verdict on Canham by mid-March at the latest. You can "expect" all you want...leaving Luton in there when he was clearly hurting our chances for a win was a clueless move. If you can't see that, well, that's your problem. And Adam Rothenfluh should have played when Derek struggled, and Sean Canfield should have played when Matt Moore struggled, yada yada yada. The most popular guy on the team is the backup QB, until he plays. If Gebbia was better, he'd have won the job in spring and fall camp. Obviously the HC and the OC feel otherwise. If you can't see that, well, that's your problem |
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Post by beaverstever on Sept 9, 2019 20:42:09 GMT -8
I really wished for full-on apathy after that 2nd half. The amount of flat out embarrassingly blatant bad decisions by the coaching staff, the drive killing penalties that seemed we could otherwise just run them into submission, the bazillion other mental mistakes like not running to the first-down markers on 3rd down, etc, etc .... it felt like an incredibly sad-sack situation. Then today, I realize that was a game on the road in a very tough place to play to a decent WAC team that already beat UA even coughing up the ball 6 times, and would make me laugh tremendously, but wouldn't be a huge surprise, if they upset the huskies next weekend.
So yea, we probably aren't at rock bottom... it just feels like it. A lot of us have been wanting to see overmatched talent play hard and smart ... that felt like playing dumber with similar talent.
Kudos to the defense at least ... other than some CB play, they were the highlight.
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Post by biggieorange on Sept 10, 2019 7:31:43 GMT -8
Is Luton clearly better than Gebbia? Is he marginally better than Gebbia? Is he starting because he has more experience? Are there things he does better in this offense? I dont know the answer to these questions, if I did it would be an easy choice. If JS sticks with Luton I'd like to believe its because he knows these answers. So I'll defer to him, trust his decision, and root for whomever is under center. Id be willing to bet he is thinking its Luton Saturday, build up his confidence, then maybe we can sneak by Stanford in the opener and build some momentum in Pac 12 play. What I hope to not see is JS pull the trigger on a QB change midway through the Cal game sitting at 1 and 5 and on it's way to its sixth loss. If he is at all waffling on Luton, do it now and let Gebbia get the experience to take into next season. How about the fact that our WR just could not get OPEN reliably. The UH secondary put a double team on Hodgins and then locked everyone else up pretty well. Luton missed a couple, but that was really due to trying to throw guys open rather than finding the wide open WR like last game. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 10, 2019 13:02:56 GMT -8
Is Luton clearly better than Gebbia? Is he marginally better than Gebbia? Is he starting because he has more experience? Are there things he does better in this offense? I dont know the answer to these questions, if I did it would be an easy choice. If JS sticks with Luton I'd like to believe its because he knows these answers. So I'll defer to him, trust his decision, and root for whomever is under center. Id be willing to bet he is thinking its Luton Saturday, build up his confidence, then maybe we can sneak by Stanford in the opener and build some momentum in Pac 12 play. What I hope to not see is JS pull the trigger on a QB change midway through the Cal game sitting at 1 and 5 and on it's way to its sixth loss. If he is at all waffling on Luton, do it now and let Gebbia get the experience to take into next season. How about the fact that our WR just could not get OPEN reliably. The UH secondary put a double team on Hodgins and then locked everyone else up pretty well. Luton missed a couple, but that was really due to trying to throw guys open rather than finding the wide open WR like last game. Not sure what this response is to, I'm specifically talking about which QB should be starting, and deferring to the HC for that decision.
As for your point, Luton didn't just miss a couple, he missed a good 7 or 8. And by that I mean it wouldn't matter if no one was covering the WR, they were bad throws. He also made some incredible throws. Either way, 15 for 32 is horrendous, certainly not all Luton's fault, but 90% of the time he throws to the #1 receiver. If he could get past his second read, he might find another receiver wide open, but we'll never know til he figures out how to do that.
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