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Post by fishbeav on Mar 28, 2019 16:36:27 GMT -8
Tinkle struck me as a little funny.I looked up Ralph Millers record at OSU. I think we would all agree he new how to coach. If the OSU basketball history page is correct it took him six years to make it to the tournament and he only did it once in his first ten years.
Are we getting a little ahead of ourselves?
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 28, 2019 16:42:17 GMT -8
Tinkle struck me as a little funny.I looked up Ralph Millers record at OSU. I think we would all agree he new how to coach. If the OSU basketball history page is correct it took him six years to make it to the tournament and he only did it once in his first ten years. Are we getting a little ahead of ourselves? If you knew history you'd know comparing WT to Ralph is ridiculous. 2nd, completely different era of play and tournament selection process and # of teams. WT is, and never will be an elite D1 coach in the same atmosphere as Ralph. But, thx for posting.
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 28, 2019 17:01:38 GMT -8
Tinkle struck me as a little funny.I looked up Ralph Millers record at OSU. I think we would all agree he new how to coach. If the OSU basketball history page is correct it took him six years to make it to the tournament and he only did it once in his first ten years. Are we getting a little ahead of ourselves? If you knew history you'd know comparing WT to Ralph is ridiculous. 2nd, completely different era of play and tournament selection process and # of teams. WT is, and never will be an elite D1 coach in the same atmosphere as Ralph. But, thx for posting. We shouldn't judge a today coach with a different generation's coach. we should just coaches by their immediate peers in immediate peer situations. With that said, I do find it ironic that nobody notices how willing everybody is to use hindsight, and qualitative analysis and extenuating factors to explain the Ralph Miller story, one that has the luxury of being told because we didn't fire him after going 25-31 in conference in his first 5 years, and having a 3 year trend of winning 18 games, then 15 games, then 13 games... just before making the tourney for the first time. It is easy for us to have reasons for why we stuck it out. be it the era, the conference make up, the whatever. but we allow for it. I am not sure we are allowing for a full qualitative analysis right now.
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Post by pitbeavs on Mar 28, 2019 17:24:00 GMT -8
Tinkle struck me as a little funny.I looked up Ralph Millers record at OSU. I think we would all agree he new how to coach. If the OSU basketball history page is correct it took him six years to make it to the tournament and he only did it once in his first ten years. Are we getting a little ahead of ourselves? If you knew history you'd know comparing WT to Ralph is ridiculous. 2nd, completely different era of play and tournament selection process and # of teams. WT is, and never will be an elite D1 coach in the same atmosphere as Ralph. But, thx for posting. The reality is that the economics of the collegiate game has changed especially with regard to football and men's basketball. OSU does not have, nor will it have, the financial backing needed to kick it into elite status. Period. Now, I'm not sure if y'all understand either Oregon politics or economics, but I'm going to suggest you pay close attention to how the elite programs function. Big time college sports will be gone within thirty years. Probably sooner at OSU. The taxpayers [through the legislature] will continue underfunding sports programs because they are educational facilities. They have been operating, under the radar, as professional sports minor league training programs. But the pro teams pay nothing for those services. As educational dollars get squeezed, there will be a movement to force the pro teams to compensate the colleges for training their athletes. Once that movement reaches critical mass, the pro leagues will be given a choice -- reimburse the colleges for training or the programs get cut. The pro leagues will then opt to establish their own minor leagues. College sports will return to their quasi-intramural status of a century ago.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 28, 2019 19:02:42 GMT -8
Tinkle struck me as a little funny.I looked up Ralph Millers record at OSU. I think we would all agree he new how to coach. If the OSU basketball history page is correct it took him six years to make it to the tournament and he only did it once in his first ten years. Are we getting a little ahead of ourselves? If you knew history you'd know comparing WT to Ralph is ridiculous. 2nd, completely different era of play and tournament selection process and # of teams. WT is, and never will be an elite D1 coach in the same atmosphere as Ralph. But, thx for posting. It may be blasphemy on this board, but I don’t think Ralph was an elite coach. He was a very good coach that had a very bad NCAA resume. He made one Elite 8 run and we had to vacate it due to NCAA violations. He was a very good regular season coach that would be fired in this day and age for his poor tournament record. He would have been fired way before he retired if he was coaching in the current PAC-12 environment. And yes, I know he’s a way better coach than WT, but he still wouldn’t survive in today’s game
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 28, 2019 20:03:19 GMT -8
Tinkle struck me as a little funny.I looked up Ralph Millers record at OSU. I think we would all agree he new how to coach. If the OSU basketball history page is correct it took him six years to make it to the tournament and he only did it once in his first ten years. Are we getting a little ahead of ourselves? No, you’re behind in the 1000 posts that analyze the exact same subject.
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Post by greshambeaver on Mar 28, 2019 20:43:09 GMT -8
Tinkle struck me as a little funny.I looked up Ralph Millers record at OSU. I think we would all agree he new how to coach. If the OSU basketball history page is correct it took him six years to make it to the tournament and he only did it once in his first ten years. Are we getting a little ahead of ourselves? If you knew history you'd know comparing WT to Ralph is ridiculous. 2nd, completely different era of play and tournament selection process and # of teams. WT is, and never will be an elite D1 coach in the same atmosphere as Ralph. But, thx for posting. You are correctomundo. NO Comparison..... True of all of the other coaches the last 20 years or so also!
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 28, 2019 21:36:20 GMT -8
If you knew history you'd know comparing WT to Ralph is ridiculous. 2nd, completely different era of play and tournament selection process and # of teams. WT is, and never will be an elite D1 coach in the same atmosphere as Ralph. But, thx for posting. It may be blasphemy on this board, but I don’t think Ralph was an elite coach. He was a very good coach that had a very bad NCAA resume. He made one Elite 8 run and we had to vacate it due to NCAA violations. He was a very good regular season coach that would be fired in this day and age for his poor tournament record. He would have been fired way before he retired if he was coaching in the current PAC-12 environment. And yes, I know he’s a way better coach than WT, but he still wouldn’t survive in today’s game Yeah... cuz he didn't coach in today's game so sort of a dumb statement and another completely unprovable conjecture. However, there is verifiable evidence to the contrary as Ralph played and coached thru several varied eras of the game and fared quite well. You must have a very strict definition of "elite"... - 38 seasons, 3 losing seasons -.632 winning % with vacated Ws - National Basketball HOF and College Basketball HOF Yeah... not elite. What a ridiculous comment.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 29, 2019 7:16:05 GMT -8
It may be blasphemy on this board, but I don’t think Ralph was an elite coach. He was a very good coach that had a very bad NCAA resume. He made one Elite 8 run and we had to vacate it due to NCAA violations. He was a very good regular season coach that would be fired in this day and age for his poor tournament record. He would have been fired way before he retired if he was coaching in the current PAC-12 environment. And yes, I know he’s a way better coach than WT, but he still wouldn’t survive in today’s game Yeah... cuz he didn't coach in today's game so sort of a dumb statement and another completely unprovable conjecture. However, there is verifiable evidence to the contrary as Ralph played and coached thru several varied eras of the game and fared quite well. You must have a very strict definition of "elite"... - 38 seasons, 3 losing seasons -.632 winning % with vacated Ws - National Basketball HOF and College Basketball HOF Yeah... not elite. What a ridiculous comment. 1-7 in the NCAA tournament is not elite. As I said, he was a very good regular season coach with a very poor NCAA tourney record. In today's era, he would have got a lot of heat from fans with that postseason record even with his strong overall winning percentage.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 29, 2019 8:29:06 GMT -8
Yeah... cuz he didn't coach in today's game so sort of a dumb statement and another completely unprovable conjecture. However, there is verifiable evidence to the contrary as Ralph played and coached thru several varied eras of the game and fared quite well. You must have a very strict definition of "elite"... - 38 seasons, 3 losing seasons -.632 winning % with vacated Ws - National Basketball HOF and College Basketball HOF Yeah... not elite. What a ridiculous comment. 1-7 in the NCAA tournament is not elite. As I said, he was a very good regular season coach with a very poor NCAA tourney record. In today's era, he would have got a lot of heat from fans with that postseason record even with his strong overall winning percentage. In today’s era he would have had much easier first round matchups with a completely diluted and revised tournament format.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 29, 2019 8:44:38 GMT -8
1-7 in the NCAA tournament is not elite. As I said, he was a very good regular season coach with a very poor NCAA tourney record. In today's era, he would have got a lot of heat from fans with that postseason record even with his strong overall winning percentage. In today’s era he would have had much easier first round matchups with a completely diluted and revised tournament format. So Evansville, Ball St., Lamar etc were all powerhouses back then?
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 29, 2019 9:57:38 GMT -8
In today’s era he would have had much easier first round matchups with a completely diluted and revised tournament format. So Evansville, Ball St., Lamar etc were all powerhouses back then? HOF x 2 is about as elite as it gets... your sterling definition/opinion really doesn't count.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 29, 2019 10:04:20 GMT -8
So Evansville, Ball St., Lamar etc were all powerhouses back then? HOF x 2 is about as elite as it gets... your sterling definition/opinion really doesn't count. And neither does yours.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 29, 2019 10:07:03 GMT -8
HOF x 2 is about as elite as it gets... your sterling definition/opinion really doesn't count. And neither does yours. See that's where you show your ineptitude and immaturity to fire back a child-like response... HOF x 2, winning %, 35 out of 38 winning seasons are facts... I had no input.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 29, 2019 10:10:46 GMT -8
See that's where you show your ineptitude and immaturity to fire back a child-like response... HOF x 2, winning %, 35 out of 38 winning seasons are facts... I had no input. Yes, because your "sterling" response was so mature. If we had a current coach that was 1-7 in the NCAA tournament, there would be more than a few fans that would want him fired.
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