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Post by blastingsand on Jan 14, 2019 13:46:42 GMT -8
I told you all this team had a lot of Ws left in their belt. (It helps that the first 3 conference games were against community college level teams but a W is a W) Really?.. CC teams? Yes. The Pac-12 is that bad this year. The first three teams happen to be that level. UO Wbb might have a chance to beat the men's team, if given a few tries. Good news is that there's plenty more teams in the Pac we can exploit for a win, including this ASU game. We actually might be the most complete team in the P12 tbh. With that said, mentioning CC level might be an insult to them, considering Kylor came from that league and is owning all these P12 players right now.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 14, 2019 13:47:11 GMT -8
Actually, the Warriors are more mortal this season because they don't have anything resembling a center. Cousins will soon change that - but with their roster moves, they clearly underestimated the hole they were leaving in the middle. NBA wants every player, even big men to have 3 point range. Even Nurk gets criticized because not having a 3 point shot is a hole in his game. One more thing KK can acquire in two full seasons in Corvallis. That and getting stronger. Is it bad I don't want him to acquire 3 point range? This is what messed up Eubanks in my opinion. Sure it helped him get drafted, but I think it really messed with what OSU was trying to do.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 14, 2019 13:58:16 GMT -8
NBA wants every player, even big men to have 3 point range. Even Nurk gets criticized because not having a 3 point shot is a hole in his game. One more thing KK can acquire in two full seasons in Corvallis. That and getting stronger. Is it bad I don't want him to acquire 3 point range? This is what messed up Eubanks in my opinion. Sure it helped him get drafted, but I think it really messed with what OSU was trying to do. Eubanks couldn't shoot 3's. How did that help him get drafted? He never even tried to shoot 3's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 14:11:45 GMT -8
Is it bad I don't want him to acquire 3 point range? This is what messed up Eubanks in my opinion. Sure it helped him get drafted, but I think it really messed with what OSU was trying to do. Eubanks couldn't shoot 3's. How did that help him get drafted? He never even tried to shoot 3's. well it didn't help him get drafted. That much is obvious. As for KK i don't want our best finisher (Wayne's Words) out there in la la land either but if he feels it will help his NBA resume to stay in college and develop that part of his game i am for it. And no i haven't even seen the guy on any draft lists but that's not such a stretch if he keeps improving.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 14, 2019 14:14:29 GMT -8
Is it bad I don't want him to acquire 3 point range? This is what messed up Eubanks in my opinion. Sure it helped him get drafted, but I think it really messed with what OSU was trying to do. Eubanks couldn't shoot 3's. How did that help him get drafted? He never even tried to shoot 3's. He was literally 0 for 0 at OSU in his career. He was trying to develop a 12-15 foot shot.
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Post by beavheart on Jan 14, 2019 14:25:35 GMT -8
Yes. The Pac-12 is that bad this year. The first three teams happen to be that level. UO Wbb might have a chance to beat the men's team, if given a few tries. Good news is that there's plenty more teams in the Pac we can exploit for a win, including this ASU game. We actually might be the most complete team in the P12 tbh. With that said, mentioning CC level might be an insult to them, considering Kylor came from that league and is owning all these P12 players right now. Things in life are rarely as bad or good as they seem. Your exaggeration does nothing to prove your point. Don't let ESPiN and entirely fallible rating systems tell you what to think. The PAC did not perform well out of conference, but if the conference is given just 1 bid to the tourney that will be a huge slight. CC teams don't beat top 10 teams like ASU did. Not ever. Down year? Sure. CC level? That's just dumb.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 14, 2019 14:26:13 GMT -8
Eubanks couldn't shoot 3's. How did that help him get drafted? He never even tried to shoot 3's. He was literally 0 for 0 at OSU in his career. He was trying to develop a 12-15 foot shot. 3s or no 3's (it's no 3's) I think NABeav's general sentiment still rings true - Drew put his name out there in the off-season, worked out, got feedback that there was money to be made as a face up stretch 4 which contradicted where/how we needed him to play at OSU and we can all agree (can we all agree?) we absolutely don't want KK to do that. Also - I'm really glad we're talking about UCLA, stats, KK vs Drew, Hollins.. basically ANYTHING but a Tinkle sister.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 14, 2019 14:35:04 GMT -8
The talk of Eubanks sent me looking to see how he's been doing. Averaging about 15 and 6.5 in G League. Interestingly, he is averaging about 2.5 bpg, which is better than at OSU, but he hasn't had one in NBA in the 46 minutes he's played. Watched some highlights from his top scoring game (23 points) in G League and he's still playing pretty much down low, but I did see him on the perimeter a little though not shooting from there.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 14, 2019 14:51:01 GMT -8
My hope is Kylor is doing fine in school and would prefer a shot at getting drafted rather than going the route Drew did. I think an extra year to gain 15-18 lbs and show off a jumpshot could put him in the draft.
Not so sure he'd be drafted this year, but he'd probably get a free agent contract and the same chance at an NBA roster spot Drew is getting right now. Drew got noticed because he can block shots, change shots, finish at the basket and run the court. Kylor looks to already be doing all those things as well or better than Drew. An extra year here would benefit him, but you can darned well bet agents are trying to talk to family or whoever they can talk to to try to get him to jump.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 14, 2019 14:54:40 GMT -8
Actually, the Warriors are more mortal this season because they don't have anything resembling a center. Cousins will soon change that - but with their roster moves, they clearly underestimated the hole they were leaving in the middle. Agreed - there's a difference between having a traditional post-up center that you try to run the offense to (Kareem, Akeem, etc) - that very few teams do now, vs. having a rim protector (which teams still covet). If you look at the list of leading shot-blocking teams in the NCAA: www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/214And compare it to the individual: www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/138There's a lot of overlap. Duke has Bolden, but they have a few good shot blockers at other positions (Zion being the next on their list) You also see some good overlap between teams leading on blocks, and opponent FG %: www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/149For the top 20 on both of those lists, they include: - Duke - TT - MSU - Tenn - GT - Gonzaga - Arkansas - Oregon State That's some pretty good correlation between those two stats, and good company as well. Kelley's ability to block shots without getting into foul trouble can really impact opponent's offense. It can get in their heads and force rushed shots, even when he's on the bench. It seems different than Eubanks impact, because opponents could get him in foul trouble and so they'd keep going at him. It seems more futile vs. Kelley, and it forces a lot of discomfort.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 14, 2019 14:57:25 GMT -8
He was literally 0 for 0 at OSU in his career. He was trying to develop a 12-15 foot shot. 3s or no 3's (it's no 3's) I think NABeav's general sentiment still rings true - Drew put his name out there in the off-season, worked out, got feedback that there was money to be made as a face up stretch 4 which contradicted where/how we needed him to play at OSU and we can all agree (can we all agree?) we absolutely don't want KK to do that. Thank you ochobeavo. Drew just started playing more on the perimeter. He didn't necessarily shoot more from out there (His field goal percentage improved every season in Corvallis), but it hurt him in other areas, specifically rebounding, where he averaged 1.5 fewer rebounds per game his final season than he did before, despite playing essentially the same minutes per game. His blocked shot numbers also decreased, though that obviously has nothing to do with positioning offensively, but could indicate he was more willing to stray further from the hoop to improve his perimeter defense in an attempt to prove to NBA teams he could play a stretch 4.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 14, 2019 15:13:04 GMT -8
UO Wbb might have a chance to beat the men's team, if given a few tries. Stop.
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Post by blastingsand on Jan 14, 2019 16:45:44 GMT -8
Yes. The Pac-12 is that bad this year. The first three teams happen to be that level. UO Wbb might have a chance to beat the men's team, if given a few tries. Good news is that there's plenty more teams in the Pac we can exploit for a win, including this ASU game. We actually might be the most complete team in the P12 tbh. With that said, mentioning CC level might be an insult to them, considering Kylor came from that league and is owning all these P12 players right now. Things in life are rarely as bad or good as they seem. Your exaggeration does nothing to prove your point. Don't let ESPiN and entirely fallible rating systems tell you what to think. The PAC did not perform well out of conference, but if the conference is given just 1 bid to the tourney that will be a huge slight. CC teams don't beat top 10 teams like ASU did. Not ever. Down year? Sure. CC level? That's just dumb. Say what you guys want, but teams are pretty bad in the Pac-12 right now. I mean take a look at who we beat. An Oregon who only have a couple of players in Pac12 level, and is a team who lost to Texas Southern and played competitive games with teams like western oregon. UCLA who fired their coach and lost to teams like Belmont and Liberty. USC who has some off court issues and are 9-8 sliding down. We seem to be the only team that has chemistry and is good enough in all positions. If there's anytime to win a league, it's this year.
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Post by blastingsand on Jan 14, 2019 16:47:03 GMT -8
UO Wbb might have a chance to beat the men's team, if given a few tries. Stop. Oregon MBB is terrible in epic proportions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 17:08:00 GMT -8
Oregon MBB is terrible in epic proportions. yeah no. And I resent you for putting me in the position of having to say those scumsucking cheaters are anything but stone cold awful. They aren't. They beat SC much worse than the beavs did and they are not going to just suddenly start sucking for all time like we want them too and as they deserve.
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