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Post by beaverstever on Jan 14, 2019 9:12:34 GMT -8
You can really see what “one and done” culture has done to teams like UCLA. Lonzo Ball, TJ leaf, Ike Anigbogu should all be juniors on this team. Leaf is averaging about 8 minutes a game for the Pacers, Anigbogu 2 minutes a game also for the Pacers. Aaron Holiday, who left with a year of eligibility left us also on the Pacers. Jonah Bolden left UCLA after one season to play overseas and would be a senior. Arizona has lost Ayton, Kadeem Allen, Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins and Kobi Simmons in the past two seasons to early entries. Some of the above (Ball, Ayton, Holiday, Trier) make sense. Most would probably be better served to still be playing college ball, purely from a basketball standpoint. The money to be made complicates things for sure, and I’m not saying these guys made poor decisions, but college basketball is really hurting from not having guys stick around. All of this to say that their loss is OSU’s gain. We’ve got older, more experienced players, and now that they’re all healthy and coming together after a few years on the court with each other......we can see that we are winning games we used to lose. Beavs are winning with defense. The help defense looked seamless this weekend. Good communication between the players and really nice effort. I hope that continuity continues on the road. Kerry Eggers post gameOSU is ranked 30th in defensive field goal %: www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/149 (ranked only slightly behind UW and hole in the Pac 12) That's right out of Rueck's playback, where he has them at #13: www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-women/d1/current/team/115 |
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 14, 2019 9:38:02 GMT -8
I think the Beavers defensive ranking might take a hit, but the D will be enough to bring about a 75-69 win against ASU.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 14, 2019 10:17:07 GMT -8
Beavs are winning with defense. The help defense looked seamless this weekend. Good communication between the players and really nice effort. I hope that continuity continues on the road. Kerry Eggers post gameKylor is making everyone a better defender. His presence is incredible. I don't know that Stevie or Tres or Ethan are getting beat to the hole any less than in the past, but even when Kylor isn't blocking shots, he's altering people's decisions and form trying to avoid the block. Truly an example of one guy's individual D making the whole team better. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 14, 2019 11:02:52 GMT -8
Beavs are winning with defense. The help defense looked seamless this weekend. Good communication between the players and really nice effort. I hope that continuity continues on the road. Kerry Eggers post gameKylor is making everyone a better defender. His presence is incredible. I don't know that Stevie or Tres or Ethan are getting beat to the hole any less than in the past, but even when Kylor isn't blocking shots, he's altering people's decisions and form trying to avoid the block. Truly an example of one guy's individual D making the whole team better. I don't know much about basketball. man I am the first to admit that. But I do know the old adage of "Centers win Championships" It's why Bowie over Jordan is a thing. But that blunder aside, a big man in the middle is vital. Kelley is the most pleasant surprise for Oregon State in sometime. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 14, 2019 11:23:13 GMT -8
Kylor is making everyone a better defender. His presence is incredible. I don't know that Stevie or Tres or Ethan are getting beat to the hole any less than in the past, but even when Kylor isn't blocking shots, he's altering people's decisions and form trying to avoid the block. Truly an example of one guy's individual D making the whole team better. I don't know much about basketball. man I am the first to admit that. But I do know the old adage of " Centers win Championships" It's why Bowie over Jordan is a thing. But that blunder aside, a big man in the middle is vital. Kelley is the most pleasant surprise for Oregon State in sometime. Maybe 20+ years ago. Sincerely, Golden State, Cleveland & Miami...etc Or for a college example, Villanova |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 11:32:31 GMT -8
Kylor is making everyone a better defender. His presence is incredible. I don't know that Stevie or Tres or Ethan are getting beat to the hole any less than in the past, but even when Kylor isn't blocking shots, he's altering people's decisions and form trying to avoid the block. Truly an example of one guy's individual D making the whole team better. I don't know much about basketball. man I am the first to admit that. But I do know the old adage of "Centers win Championships" It's why Bowie over Jordan is a thing. But that blunder aside, a big man in the middle is vital. Kelley is the most pleasant surprise for Oregon State in sometime. This has been a learning moment for me, that a shot blocker can win games for you. 5 blocks a game might not sound like much but its the other 6 or 7 shots missed because he got you leaning or he's in your head, that's what i wasn't taking into account. And I mean true shot blockers. Drew was better than average for college because of his leaping ability and strength to get ball even against power moves but KK is a whole other deal. He is long and has amazing timing. Well god bless you kid for teaching me up. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 14, 2019 11:42:06 GMT -8
I don't know much about basketball. man I am the first to admit that. But I do know the old adage of "Centers win Championships" It's why Bowie over Jordan is a thing. But that blunder aside, a big man in the middle is vital. Kelley is the most pleasant surprise for Oregon State in sometime. This has been a learning moment for me, that a shot blocker can win games for you. 5 blocks a game might not sound like much but its the other 6 or 7 shots missed because he got you leaning or he's in your head, that's what i wasn't taking into account. Well god bless you kid for teaching me up. and for the most part he's done a great job staying out of foul trouble (fouled out just once I think?) - especially tough now that word is out and you've got guys trying to challenge him early. I had assumed early on that he was going to be that guy that just jumps and swats at everything and wouldn't be able to stay on the court. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 14, 2019 11:44:02 GMT -8
This has been a learning moment for me, that a shot blocker can win games for you. 5 blocks a game might not sound like much but its the other 6 or 7 shots missed because he got you leaning or he's in your head, that's what i wasn't taking into account. Well god bless you kid for teaching me up. and for the most part he's done a great job staying out of foul trouble (fouled out just once I think?) - especially tough now that word is out and you've got guys trying to challenge him early. I had assumed early on that he was going to be that guy that just jumps and swats at everything and wouldn't be able to stay on the court. Staying out of foul trouble will be key for him against Arizona. The have a legitimate back to the basket center in Jeter that could cause him foul issues. |
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Post by nabeav on Jan 14, 2019 11:45:58 GMT -8
There aren't very many true Centers in basketball anymore, but when you have one, he can really affect the game. Guys that patrol down low on both sides of the ball. Especially in the NBA, where everyone can shoot 3s and centers are forced to guard on the perimeter because of illegal defense and defensive 3 in the key calls. Not having someone who can clog the lane is exactly why Golden State's style of play is so effective in the NBA because it frees up everyone for drives to the hoop, forcing people to collapse and allowing a kick out for an open 3. With someone like Kelley free to plant himself in the key and affect every shot within 10 feet of the hoop, defenders could get up on Curry, Thompson, Durant 30 feet out without fear of getting beat on the dribble.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 14, 2019 11:46:51 GMT -8
and for the most part he's done a great job staying out of foul trouble (fouled out just once I think?) - especially tough now that word is out and you've got guys trying to challenge him early. I had assumed early on that he was going to be that guy that just jumps and swats at everything and wouldn't be able to stay on the court. Staying out of foul trouble will be key for him against Arizona. The have a legitimate back to the basket center in Jeter that could cause him foul issues. agreed. Another reason I'm glad G is back and WW is giving us quality minutes. We will need all hands on deck this week. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jan 14, 2019 11:51:44 GMT -8
Actually, the Warriors are more mortal this season because they don't have anything resembling a center. Cousins will soon change that - but with their roster moves, they clearly underestimated the hole they were leaving in the middle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 12:03:18 GMT -8
Actually, the Warriors are more mortal this season because they don't have anything resembling a center. Cousins will soon change that - but with their roster moves, they clearly underestimated the hole they were leaving in the middle. NBA wants every player, even big men to have 3 point range. Even Nurk gets criticized because not having a 3 point shot is a hole in his game. One more thing KK can acquire in two full seasons in Corvallis. That and getting stronger. |
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Post by mbabeav on Jan 14, 2019 12:18:48 GMT -8
26 solid minutes on both ends of the floor by Hollins last night was huge. Was aggressive, went to the hoop strong, moved without the ball, couple drive and kick outs would have been assists had we knocked down the jumpers. Good stuff... As I posted earlier, Hollins shines when Tres is out there - I bet you will find at least a couple of assists from Tres went to him, but regardless of that, TT makes a huge difference in his game. |
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Post by mbabeav on Jan 14, 2019 13:25:19 GMT -8
I don't know much about basketball. man I am the first to admit that. But I do know the old adage of "Centers win Championships" It's why Bowie over Jordan is a thing. But that blunder aside, a big man in the middle is vital. Kelley is the most pleasant surprise for Oregon State in sometime. This has been a learning moment for me, that a shot blocker can win games for you. 5 blocks a game might not sound like much but its the other 6 or 7 shots missed because he got you leaning or he's in your head, that's what i wasn't taking into account. And I mean true shot blockers. Drew was better than average for college because of his leaping ability and strength to get ball even against power moves but KK is a whole other deal. He is long and has amazing timing. Well god bless you kid for teaching me up. 5 shots blocked a game sure sounds a like very much to me - just wait till KK gets fully acclimated to D1 basketball! |
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Post by mbabeav on Jan 14, 2019 13:30:07 GMT -8
I don't know much about basketball. man I am the first to admit that. But I do know the old adage of " Centers win Championships" It's why Bowie over Jordan is a thing. But that blunder aside, a big man in the middle is vital. Kelley is the most pleasant surprise for Oregon State in sometime. Maybe 20+ years ago. Sincerely, Golden State, Cleveland & Miami...etc Or for a college example, Villanova Um, I don't know about centers and being "o so 20 years ago", but there sure seem to be a lot of 7' power forwards in the NBA - I think it is almost a stigma to be called a center, but when you are playing with three forwards - by the way Kelley is a 7' forward on our roster. |
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