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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Jan 14, 2019 7:57:16 GMT -8
I told you all this team had a lot of Ws left in their belt. (It helps that the first 3 conference games were against community college level teams but a W is a W) Really?.. CC teams?
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 14, 2019 8:01:57 GMT -8
Great win. Tres toughed it out and Kelley gave them a nice initial jolt. Three point shooting was pretty poor, but love that they hit their FTs. Did Tres' summer shooting regimen not include FTs or what? As much as he gets to line, he has to start hitting those at a better clip or it will come back to haunt them at some point. Dang.. what have you done for us lately Tres? Tres was 25 for his last 28 at the line coming into last night. 6-6 in his previous game vs ducks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 8:04:35 GMT -8
So let's be clear. That UCLA team was a bad team last night. Beating them was more about letting them take bad shots, exploiting their brainless defense, and watching them puke up ugly free throws than it was excellent play by Oregon State, of which there was quite a bit. But UCLA was 3-0! That means there are even worse teams out there for the beavs to exploit? Maybe probably, but realize one of those teams was the talented but deeply troubled dux. The other two, Cal and Stanford have each been a particular nemesis for the beavs. Got the 6 game losing streak against Cal and lost 9 of the last 10 and three game skid against Stanford and lost 8 of the last 10. And that's getting way ahead of the real problem this week, the Arizona schools, probably the toughest road trip of the conference. No need to look beyond Thursday's game against Arizona State, they will be heavily favored, and should be, despite their 2-2 record. Beavs need to look at this game as 100% opportunity and 0% risk. Forget about the 3-0 start. Beavs are still a team that has nothing to lose. My personal fan happiness break even point for this team is 20 wins. Thats 9 somewhere out of the 15. It doesn't have to be one of these next two, so all i see this week is the potential for gravy. Make the fat boy happy beavs!
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 14, 2019 8:08:02 GMT -8
Looking forward to ASU game. Unfortunately, ESPN isn't listing any TV coverage for that game. Any reason it isn't on Pac 12? I'm also glad we have ASU first. That Arizona game is going to be tough, so I'd like the more "winnable" game on Thursday when Beavs are freshest. Gonna be fun. Because the ASU game is on FS1.. Good to hear. Usually ESPN on their team schedule page lists TV coverage no matter who it is broadcasting the game, but doesn't have it. Glad I don't have to miss it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 8:08:54 GMT -8
Great win. Tres toughed it out and Kelley gave them a nice initial jolt. Three point shooting was pretty poor, but love that they hit their FTs. Did Tres' summer shooting regimen not include FTs or what? As much as he gets to line, he has to start hitting those at a better clip or it will come back to haunt them at some point. The two big takeaways for me were another nice performance by Washington and play of Hollins. WW didn't play the same kind of minutes as he did against USC, but still a productive night. Some of the reason he might have got less tick besides match ups was the play of Hollins. Man it was good to see him come out of his funk. IMO for the Beavs to win or finish high in the conference, Hollins has to be playing 25 or so minutes and Reichle playing 15 like we saw last night. Hollins just gives the team so much more, but he has to earn those minutes. Last night he did. I still think Reichle's role this year and probably next has to be supplying some shooting off the bench. Maybe by his senior year he'll be starter quality in Pac 12, but I just don't think he's there yet. But he does have a valuable role to play still. Looking forward to ASU game. Unfortunately, ESPN isn't listing any TV coverage for that game. Any reason it isn't on Pac 12? I'm also glad we have ASU first. That Arizona game is going to be tough, so I'd like the more "winnable" game on Thursday when Beavs are freshest. Gonna be fun. weird stat, Reichle has a three pointer in the last 26 games or something. Hollins is getting better. He really is. It's two steps forward one step back sometimes but he is improving. He is athletic enough to contribute in a lot of ways. His ball handling and passing looked more confident. I like his line last night but i think they didn't credit him for a couple of assists 27 5-8 1-3 0-0 0 4 1 0 0 1 0 11
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 14, 2019 8:12:45 GMT -8
So let's be clear. That UCLA team was a bad team last night. Beating them was more about letting them take bad shots, exploiting their brainless defense, and watching them puke up ugly free throws than it was excellent play by Oregon State, of which there was quite a bit. But UCLA was 3-0! That means there are even worse teams out there for the beavs to exploit? Maybe probably, but realize one of those teams was the talented but deeply troubled dux. The other two, Cal and Stanford have each been a particular nemesis for the beavs. Got the 6 game losing streak against Cal and lost 9 of the last 10 and three game skid against Stanford and lost 8 of the last 10. And that's getting way ahead of the real problem this week, the Arizona schools, probably the toughest road trip of the conference. No need to look beyond Thursday's game against Arizona State, they will be heavily favored, and should be, despite their 2-2 record. Beavs need to look at this game as 100% opportunity and 0% risk. Forget about the 3-0 start. Beavs are still a team that has nothing to lose. My personal fan happiness break even point for this team is 20 wins. Thats 9 somewhere out of the 15. It doesn't have to be one of these next two, so all i see this week is the potential for gravy. Make this fat boy happy beavs! I think Beavs have a real shot against ASU. They lost to Utah at home and to Stanford on the road. Won't be easy, but they certainly have a shot. Arizona game will be tough.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Jan 14, 2019 8:17:23 GMT -8
I think Beavs have a real shot against ASU. They lost to Utah at home and to Stanford on the road. Won't be easy, but they certainly have a shot. Arizona game will be tough. OSU had them on the rope in Tempe last season.. had 13 point lead with like 6-7 minutes to play and couldnt hold it.. hopefully they will finish the job this season
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 14, 2019 8:33:08 GMT -8
Great win. Tres toughed it out and Kelley gave them a nice initial jolt. Three point shooting was pretty poor, but love that they hit their FTs. Did Tres' summer shooting regimen not include FTs or what? As much as he gets to line, he has to start hitting those at a better clip or it will come back to haunt them at some point. The two big takeaways for me were another nice performance by Washington and play of Hollins. WW didn't play the same kind of minutes as he did against USC, but still a productive night. Some of the reason he might have got less tick besides match ups was the play of Hollins. Man it was good to see him come out of his funk. IMO for the Beavs to win or finish high in the conference, Hollins has to be playing 25 or so minutes and Reichle playing 15 like we saw last night. Hollins just gives the team so much more, but he has to earn those minutes. Last night he did. I still think Reichle's role this year and probably next has to be supplying some shooting off the bench. Maybe by his senior year he'll be starter quality in Pac 12, but I just don't think he's there yet. But he does have a valuable role to play still. Looking forward to ASU game. Unfortunately, ESPN isn't listing any TV coverage for that game. Any reason it isn't on Pac 12? I'm also glad we have ASU first. That Arizona game is going to be tough, so I'd like the more "winnable" game on Thursday when Beavs are freshest. Gonna be fun. weird stat, Reichle has a three pointer in the last 26 games or something. Reichle has taken at least 2 or 3 goose eggs this year in the scoring column that I remember so that IS a weird stat.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 14, 2019 8:35:38 GMT -8
On the remaining schedule, they are two of the toughest 3 gams remaining (@uw the other one), so going 0-2 would not be disastrous. A split would be huge, and obviously a sweep would put us in the early driver's seat (and firmly plant a target on our backs). I think 9-5 is quite realistic, with the most likely 5 losses being @ua, @asu, @uw, vs. UW and @colo
In terms of gunning for the conference title, I don't like that we miss playing Stanford, Cal, Colo and Utah twice, as currently those look like some of the weakest pairs in the conference. However, I do like not playing @stanford - they can turn it on, as noted by their win over ASU this weekend and taking UK to OT at their place. Their 8-8 record is deceiving, they have losses to a bunch of ranked or near ranked teams mostly on the road or neutral sites (UNC, Wiscy, KU, plus UF and USF (who just gave Gonzaga a very good game). But we always seem to play Utah tough, and they are clearly down. Colorado doesn't look very good, but will still be a tough out at their place - the only place we play them.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 14, 2019 8:37:13 GMT -8
Up to #71 from 85 in the NET rankings after last night's win. Puts us squarely at third in the PAC in those rankings at the moment. Washington at #38, Arizona at #51 and ASU and oregon at #s 83 and 84.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 14, 2019 8:38:04 GMT -8
You can really see what “one and done” culture has done to teams like UCLA. Lonzo Ball, TJ leaf, Ike Anigbogu should all be juniors on this team. Leaf is averaging about 8 minutes a game for the Pacers, Anigbogu 2 minutes a game also for the Pacers. Aaron Holiday, who left with a year of eligibility left us also on the Pacers. Jonah Bolden left UCLA after one season to play overseas and would be a senior.
Arizona has lost Ayton, Kadeem Allen, Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins and Kobi Simmons in the past two seasons to early entries.
Some of the above (Ball, Ayton, Holiday, Trier) make sense. Most would probably be better served to still be playing college ball, purely from a basketball standpoint. The money to be made complicates things for sure, and I’m not saying these guys made poor decisions, but college basketball is really hurting from not having guys stick around.
All of this to say that their loss is OSU’s gain. We’ve got older, more experienced players, and now that they’re all healthy and coming together after a few years on the court with each other......we can see that we are winning games we used to lose.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 14, 2019 8:42:54 GMT -8
On the remaining schedule, they are two of the toughest 3 gams remaining (@uw the other one), so going 0-2 would not be disastrous. A split would be huge, and obviously a sweep would put us in the early driver's seat (and firmly plant a target on our backs). I think 9-5 is quite realistic, with the most likely 5 losses being @ua, @asu, @uw, vs. UW and @colo In terms of gunning for the conference title, I don't like that we miss playing Stanford, Cal, Colo and Utah twice, as currently those look like some of the weakest pairs in the conference. However, I do like not playing @stanford - they can turn it on, as noted by their win over ASU this weekend and taking UK to OT at their place. Their 8-8 record is deceiving, they have losses to a bunch of ranked or near ranked teams mostly on the road or neutral sites (UNC, Wiscy, KU, plus UF and USF (who just gave Gonzaga a very good game). But we always seem to play Utah tough, and they are clearly down. Colorado doesn't look very good, but will still be a tough out at their place - the only place we play them. For overall record and trying to win the regular season conference championship I agree that I don't like that the mountain schools and bay area schools we only get once. However, from a SOS perspective and trying to potentially get an at-large bid to the dance that does give us more opportunities for higher quality wins and less "fluff" games. If this team can put up a 12-6 or 13-5 conference record against a tougher schedule than most of the other teams in the conference that will probably look better to the committee than a slightly better record due to playing those 4 schools twice and missing a 2nd game against the Arizonas or UW.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 8:55:16 GMT -8
weird stat, Reichle has a three pointer in the last 26 games or something. Reichle has taken at least 2 or 3 goose eggs this year in the scoring column that I remember so that IS a weird stat. pac 12 announcer guy said it so maybe it it isn't so weird.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 9:00:18 GMT -8
You can really see what “one and done” culture has done to teams like UCLA. Lonzo Ball, TJ leaf, Ike Anigbogu should all be juniors on this team. Leaf is averaging about 8 minutes a game for the Pacers, Anigbogu 2 minutes a game also for the Pacers. Aaron Holiday, who left with a year of eligibility left us also on the Pacers. Jonah Bolden left UCLA after one season to play overseas and would be a senior. Arizona has lost Ayton, Kadeem Allen, Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins and Kobi Simmons in the past two seasons to early entries. Some of the above (Ball, Ayton, Holiday, Trier) make sense. Most would probably be better served to still be playing college ball, purely from a basketball standpoint. The money to be made complicates things for sure, and I’m not saying these guys made poor decisions, but college basketball is really hurting from not having guys stick around. All of this to say that their loss is OSU’s gain. We’ve got older, more experienced players, and now that they’re all healthy and coming together after a few years on the court with each other......we can see that we are winning games we used to lose. Beavs are winning with defense. The help defense looked seamless this weekend. Good communication between the players and really nice effort. I hope that continuity continues on the road. Kerry Eggers post game
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 14, 2019 9:07:27 GMT -8
Reichle has taken at least 2 or 3 goose eggs this year in the scoring column that I remember so that IS a weird stat. pac 12 announcer guy said it so maybe it it isn't so weird. I hope it's Walton because I could definitely picture Walton fitting it in between referencing the Peloponnesian War and the time he rode his bike along the McKenzie with Ken Kesey and they ate delicious scones.
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