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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 15, 2019 12:31:14 GMT -8
I think the second place team in conference will get an at large bid. Might have to be a play in game like UCLA last year, but I think they'll take 2 teams. 3 will be very tough unless things fall just right.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 15, 2019 12:33:30 GMT -8
You guys are making way too much of the Kent State loss. Kent State also beat Vanderbilt who beat ASU by 16. Duke lost (at home) to unranked Syracuse....59th in the NET rankings prior to the game. We beat Penn who beat Villanova. Sometimes you lose games. Come out of this weekend with a sweep, and I think the loss to Kent St. is more than offset by the road win at ASU or UA. ok but you realize the impact of that loss if beavs end up on the tourney bubble? Either win the pac 12 conference tournament or be number 2 and HOPE number 2 gets in. Or have all the players shave their heads and fake join the hari krishnas to get the human interest seed. NCAA tourney selection committee loves bright shiny objects. Honestly, even with a weak overall Pac... I can't see that fewer than 3 Pac teams get in. Yeah, yeah, SOS and quality wins and all that computer BS... Tourney is still about matchups and TV revenue. Unless the Pac absolutely eats itself alive, and nobody is over .500 in league play or something crazy like that, I just don't think so. Maybe some more savvy bracketologists could refute that... but it is just my gut. I don't see us as significantly worse than last season, net neutral... We had 3 teams last year so. That is all I am going off of.
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Post by bennysdentist on Jan 15, 2019 12:51:17 GMT -8
ok but you realize the impact of that loss if beavs end up on the tourney bubble? Either win the pac 12 conference tournament or be number 2 and HOPE number 2 gets in. Or have all the players shave their heads and fake join the hari krishnas to get the human interest seed. NCAA tourney selection committee loves bright shiny objects. Honestly, even with a weak overall Pac... I can't see that fewer than 3 Pac teams get in. Yeah, yeah, SOS and quality wins and all that computer BS... Tourney is still about matchups and TV revenue. Unless the Pac absolutely eats itself alive, and nobody is over .500 in league play or something crazy like that, I just don't think so. Maybe some more savvy bracketologists could refute that... but it is just my gut. I don't see us as significantly worse than last season, net neutral... We had 3 teams last year so. That is all I am going off of. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketologyLurnadi has two in, two in the conversation. Beavs just need to keep winning and we may have a shot.
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Post by jdogge on Jan 15, 2019 12:54:20 GMT -8
Oregon, UCLA and USC are loaded with talent. Of the 8 ducks that played against OSU, one was originally an overseas kid that was not ranked in the recruiting services, and 6 of the other 7 have a higher 247Sports composite recruiting score than Tres Tinkle. There's plenty of talent in the league. The one and dones and transfers are kinda ruining a lot of basketball programs these days. Somebody should do a rough count of the recruiting stars of the kent state starters against the recruiting stars of the UCLA starters. Ok i did. Kent State (9)Antonio Williams 2* Philip Whittington not listed CJ Williamson 2* Mitch Peterson 2* Jalen Avery 3* UCLA (22)Kris Wilkes 5* Prince Ali 4* Jaylen Hands 5* Chris Smith 3-4* Moses Brown 4-5* data courtesy of VerbalCommits.comAnd the disparity grows with the reserves. (UCLA has more recruiting stars in the top 5 reserves than they do starting) So how does Kent State roll over the Beavs and just a few weeks later the Beavs stomp UCLA? Are recruiting stars bogus as far as being a successful team? yeah partly. Kylor Kelley rated a 2* recruit? What? At least a couple of those UCLA players are overrated too. KSU won by three. They didn't "roll" over OSU. In fact, OSU lost four games by a total of thirteen points.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 15, 2019 12:56:08 GMT -8
ok but you realize the impact of that loss if beavs end up on the tourney bubble? Either win the pac 12 conference tournament or be number 2 and HOPE number 2 gets in. Or have all the players shave their heads and fake join the hari krishnas to get the human interest seed. NCAA tourney selection committee loves bright shiny objects. Honestly, even with a weak overall Pac... I can't see that fewer than 3 Pac teams get in. Yeah, yeah, SOS and quality wins and all that computer BS... Tourney is still about matchups and TV revenue. Unless the Pac absolutely eats itself alive, and nobody is over .500 in league play or something crazy like that, I just don't think so. Maybe some more savvy bracketologists could refute that... but it is just my gut. I don't see us as significantly worse than last season, net neutral... We had 3 teams last year so. That is all I am going off of. I wouldn't hold your breath on getting 3 teams in. In 2012, UW went 14-4 in conference and won the league title and didn't get in. With the weak non-conference performance of the league, It will be a stretch to get more than 2 teams in.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 15, 2019 14:31:23 GMT -8
ok but you realize the impact of that loss if beavs end up on the tourney bubble? Either win the pac 12 conference tournament or be number 2 and HOPE number 2 gets in. Or have all the players shave their heads and fake join the hari krishnas to get the human interest seed. NCAA tourney selection committee loves bright shiny objects. Honestly, even with a weak overall Pac... I can't see that fewer than 3 Pac teams get in. Yeah, yeah, SOS and quality wins and all that computer BS... Tourney is still about matchups and TV revenue. Unless the Pac absolutely eats itself alive, and nobody is over .500 in league play or something crazy like that, I just don't think so. Maybe some more savvy bracketologists could refute that... but it is just my gut. I don't see us as significantly worse than last season, net neutral... We had 3 teams last year so. That is all I am going off of. Never know what the committee will do. They passed on USC that finished second in conference (12-6) and took an ASU team that was under .500 in conference but had wins over Kansas and Xavier with the Kansas win on the road. I can't think of many Pac 12 wins over ranked teams this year other than ASU's wins over Kansas and Miss. St. (another reason why Beavers really need win Thursday). I don't know USC's KenPom or other ratings last year, but they were 9-4 out of conference to our 8-4 this year. Their loss to Princeton last year is probably worse than any of ours this year but probably not by that much, and their best wins (New Mexico St. that made the tourney and Middle Tenn that made NIT) are probably better than any of our out of conference wins. Not really sure how their conference schedule compares. I don't think 3 Pac 12 teams is out of the question for the tourney, but that third team will likely have to have some signature wins in conference or be ASU with their victories over ranked teams. The good thing is the Beavs have two games apiece against what looks like the other top 4 teams in conference (ASU, AZ, WA and UCLA). Now we just need to win some of them. UCLA game was a good start.
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Post by blastingsand on Jan 15, 2019 15:26:33 GMT -8
Oregon MBB is terrible in epic proportions. yeah no. And I resent you for putting me in the position of having to say those scumsucking cheaters are anything but stone cold awful. They aren't. They beat SC much worse than the beavs did and they are not going to just suddenly start sucking for all time like we want them too and as they deserve. They are unwatchable bad. Can still turnaround the season and make a surge. SC rolled over and called it quits on the season. The beavers need to play with the attitude that they are good. They keep getting nervous when up ahead, not used to these type of situations.
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Post by blastingsand on Jan 15, 2019 15:29:49 GMT -8
Oregon, UCLA and USC are loaded with talent. Of the 8 ducks that played against OSU, one was originally an overseas kid that was not ranked in the recruiting services, and 6 of the other 7 have a higher 247Sports composite recruiting score than Tres Tinkle. There's plenty of talent in the league. The one and dones and transfers are kinda ruining a lot of basketball programs these days. <iframe width="21.300000000000068" height="4.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 21.300000000000068px; height: 4.180000000000007px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_64330710" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="21.300000000000068" height="4.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 21.3px; height: 4.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1007px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_58557496" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="21.300000000000068" height="4.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 21.3px; height: 4.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 148px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_68167276" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="21.300000000000068" height="4.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 21.3px; height: 4.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1007px; top: 148px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_84537957" scrolling="no"></iframe> And yet Tres would start in all of those teams right now and probably be their best player. All three teams are a mess, SC has given up on the season, UCLA fired their coach, and Oregon was a poor team with Bol Bol, a terrible team without. Honestly all three were looking to thrown in the towel when we played them. But we will take the W and say 3-0.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 15, 2019 15:32:19 GMT -8
USC is the school the NCAA loves to hate. They came down on them hard for Reggie Bush and a few other players' actions, while basically poo-pooing schools, such as uo, who basically bought recruits and other recruiting violations.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 15, 2019 16:50:49 GMT -8
Tres would start on every single Pac-12 team. And probably close to every single team in the country. If he announces as a grad transfer, he'll have his choice of where to play.
And if Oregon was looking to throw in the towel after losing to us, then why did they dominate UCLA for 39 minutes and then crush USC? Didn't look like quitters to me.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 15, 2019 21:53:44 GMT -8
Tres would start on every single Pac-12 team. And probably close to every single team in the country. If he announces as a grad transfer, he'll have his choice of where to play.And if Oregon was looking to throw in the towel after losing to us, then why did they dominate UCLA for 39 minutes and then crush USC? Didn't look like quitters to me. Wow... over state much? And, most do... they don't transfer without choices already in mind.
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