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Post by shelby on Sept 11, 2019 14:21:18 GMT -8
Play for 4 years at OSU, go to Stanford for MBA ,
No problem !
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Post by beav74 on Sept 11, 2019 17:13:52 GMT -8
It was between us and Stanford for Pivec. Living in Corvallis can be a great recruiting tool!
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 11, 2019 19:22:55 GMT -8
Well, Stanford is Stanford, and it's got to be very tough recruiting against them in general. But, there are different twists on everything. If Stanford brings in the number 1 wing in 2019 (Haley Jones), is a highly ranked 2020 wing (like, say, Sasha Goforth) going to want to dit behind her for 3 years? I don't even know if Stanford recruited Sasha; I'm just using her to illustrate the point. Likewise, at forward, Stanford has Belibi coming in this year, and number 3 Cameron Brink in 2020. Is Daniels going to want to struggle for playing time?
Stanford, like any program, has different needs in different years, as do we. We don't need any bigs in 2020, so those who feel they're recruiting against us will find them more readily available. To some extent, it's a matter of picking and choosing your spots. All things being equal, Stanford is going to get more than we are. Make it unequal in some aspect, however, and you improve your chances. Potential playing time first 2, or even 3, years is one of those things.
Tara's age is another. For 2020 recruits, that might be somewhat minor consideration, but for 2021 recruits it's more, and will be higher yet in 2022. At some point, she retires, and the program changes. You have to consider that. Tara's old, Scott's just a kid.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Sept 11, 2019 19:46:20 GMT -8
Tara's age is another. For 2020 recruits, that might be somewhat minor consideration, but for 2021 recruits it's more, and will be higher yet in 2022. At some point, she retires, and the program changes. You have to consider that. Tara's old, Scott's just a kid. It will be fascinating to see who takes over at Stanford when Tara does retire, and how the program does in the aftermath. It's apples and oranges, but their women's volleyball has continued to be a powerhouse after several coaching changes. 3 different coaches have won a Championship there. The current coach was respected when he was at Illinois but I don't think anyone thought he was the best in the country. They are an absolute juggernaut currently.
(drifting off topic but Geno and Muffet are both going to retire sooner than later as well, 2 more powerhouse programs that may or may not stay that way in the long term)
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 11, 2019 20:58:51 GMT -8
Here's another wrinkle on the Stanford story. The California Assembly and Senate have just passed a bill that would allow student athletes to hire agents and be compensated for activities while still in college. The NCAA has advised California that the imposition of this bill would mean that schools in California couldn't compete in NCAA events, thus making California an athletic island. Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, and all the other schools in the state could compete against each other for the state championship, I suppose, but not an NCAA championship.
If this becomes law, as it sounds like it will, it goes into effect in 2023. Then it becomes a contest to see who blinks first, the state or the NCAA - a 4 year game of chicken, if you will. In the meantime, there's an ever bigger question mark for all recruits considering California schools. In most sports, for most kids, this professionalism is a non-issue, as nobody's going to pay them for anything. That pretty much includes women's basketball, where 99% of the participants in D1 wouldn't be offered anything. But, they do get to attempt to win a national championship - unless they go to school in California.
It is an absolute shame that politicians just have to stick their necks in where they're not needed, and destroy college sports in the process. Not at all surprising that California would lead the charge to do this.
In any event, this will become a factor in recruiting going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 21:17:50 GMT -8
Here's another wrinkle on the Stanford story. The California Assembly and Senate have just passed a bill that would allow student athletes to hire agents and be compensated for activities while still in college. The NCAA has advised California that the imposition of this bill would mean that schools in California couldn't compete in NCAA events, thus making California an athletic island. Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, and all the other schools in the state could compete against each other for the state championship, I suppose, but not an NCAA championship. If this becomes law, as it sounds like it will, it goes into effect in 2023. Then it becomes a contest to see who blinks first, the state or the NCAA - a 4 year game of chicken, if you will. In the meantime, there's an ever bigger question mark for all recruits considering California schools. In most sports, for most kids, this professionalism is a non-issue, as nobody's going to pay them for anything. That pretty much includes women's basketball, where 99% of the participants in D1 wouldn't be offered anything. But, they do get to attempt to win a national championship - unless they go to school in California. It is an absolute shame that politicians just have to stick their necks in where they're not needed, and destroy college sports in the process. Not at all surprising that California would lead the charge to do this. In any event, this will become a factor in recruiting going forward. The NCAA are fighting the inevitable and all states will follow the common sense path that California is paving. It's rubbish the restrictions the NCAA have on the kids and it can't come quick enough, the year 2023 will be landmark one and for the right reasons. The Pac-12 will survive and thrive, the world will move on and hopefully everyone will see the money grubs of the NCAA ride off in to the sunset never to return. |
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Post by shelby on Sept 12, 2019 6:25:51 GMT -8
The Academic side is haphazardly administered and the athletic side is inconsistent and looks the other way when certain programs, and or athletes are involved.
Their ( NCAA ), very existence should be questioned and challenged at every level. I am pleased to see the courts and other legal challenges take over.
At the same time, there are some huge risks and watch outs with any new system. Follow the money and you will just see a group of different greedy people driving ‘everything’ for their benefit and forgetting about the Academic and Athletic ideals that are supposed to help the kids, not enrich the guys in the back room.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Sept 12, 2019 6:55:35 GMT -8
Some 2021 rankings shuffling:
Nice to see most of the targets move up, as well as Kelbie make an appearance in the top-60.
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Post by rmancarl on Sept 12, 2019 8:19:45 GMT -8
I saw one service yesterday that has Payton Verhulst ranked #2 in the 2021 class. Great to see the Beavs in on so many top 50 girls.
I look at the 6 list for 2021, and I don't know who I would want the most. Payton is a fabulous player, and as of right now, the Beavs still need a point guard, but I still think Jersey has the most upside. I love her work ethic and attitude. I really like Bree Salenbien (the @breesal_35 listed above at #31). Bree is listed by ESPN as a wing, but at 6'3", she played point guard for her AAU team, the Michigan Mystics, this past summer. Bree really appears to be a good fit, both as the type of person, and type of player Oregon State really likes. She scores at all three levels, and for her size, obviously handles the ball well, and of course, shoots the 3.
Obviously landing any one of those 6 would be great. Landing two, or even more would be an amazing recruiting accomplishment for this program.
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 12, 2019 8:21:04 GMT -8
Whether one agrees with California or the NCAA is not the point I was trying to make. The NCAA basically has 2 options - cave immediately or fight. I think they'll choose the latter, and, if they do, that puts a big cloud over recruiting in California until the matter is resolved. If the 2023 start date means September of that year (I don't know), then the 2020 recruiting class is potentially impacted only senior year, barring a redshirt. But, for the 2021 recruits (like those listed directly above), it's half their college career.
Has to be something many will take into consideration.
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Post by bennyskid on Sept 12, 2019 9:20:34 GMT -8
The NCAA has no options. Their bylaws are clear, and it's a voluntary organization. If the Cal schools can't comply with the bylaws, they are out. And given that there are roughly 300 schools in the NCAA who don't give a flying **** about big-time football and would just as soon see USC and UCLA hamstrung, I don't see the bylaws changing.
California is used to getting its own way on things like this because it's so damn big. But in the world of college sports, it really doesn't have that much pull. The Pac-12 could disappear tomorrow and NCAA revenues would barely change. (The NCAA's major revenue producer is the basketball tournament - who would notice the Pac's absence?) It's California that has to find a way through this, not the NCAA. And we have to pray that they do, because without the Cal schools there is no Pac-12.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 12, 2019 9:25:12 GMT -8
The Academic side is haphazardly administered and the athletic side is inconsistent and looks the other way when certain programs, and or athletes are involved. Their ( NCAA ), very existence should be questioned and challenged at every level. I am pleased to see the courts and other legal challenges take over. At the same time, there are some huge risks and watch outs with any new system. Follow the money and you will just see a group of different greedy people driving ‘everything’ for their benefit and forgetting about the Academic and Athletic ideals that are supposed to help the kids, not enrich the guys in the back room. If you are speaking to the NCAA as an organization they have ZERO to do with academics. Anything to do with academic scandal(s) is not within their jurisdiction... at all. With regard to the Cali law (if signed or allowed to pass into law without signing) the NCAA is on the right course. Others here seem to think other states will follow. Maybe, but as soon as athletes are allowed any 'outside' compensation without strict guidelines and a powerful legislative/judicial body to enforce policy it is the end of college athletics as we know it. If people think recruiting and scandals are bad now, wait until "compensation" is allowed. The HAVES will find means and methods to control elite athletes in every sport they deem important to their school. No matter how it is played, the 'song' is the same... scholarships at every level are payments. The goal was and should remain to serve 'student athletes'. It may be old school, but, once the issue of extra compensation is broached there is no going back. If so, there might as well be (2) "college" divisions... those with compensation, those who stand pat. Create whatever subdivisions and limits on the amount of athletes getting compensation you want, there will never be equity and almost no way to police such a system. This discussion truly shines the light on the absolute decay our political system finds itself. "Laws" and policy are created and sometimes passed as pure "resume" highlights without regard to implementation and forethought it what it means long term. Typically pure political bias outweighs logical/reasonable thinking. If you think government wastes dollars on program and efficiency, just how much would Cali waste trying to enforce this?? Or, as in most cases does the State of California expect someone else to take on the responsibility for their policy? |
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Post by 411500 on Sept 12, 2019 10:38:08 GMT -8
Re: 2021 recruiting....Interesting to see that Aaronette Vonleh, West Linn h.s. is rated #40....For a local girl, she is not getting much ink....
Not sure if she played summer ball.....If the staff is pursuing her???
....She must have something going for her....Not sure what it is...
Anyone with info to share?
It appears that very few Oregon h.s. girl's coaches follow this board!!🏀
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Sept 12, 2019 11:53:10 GMT -8
Re: 2021 recruiting....Interesting to see that Aaronette Vonleh, West Linn h.s. is rated #40....For a local girl, she is not getting much ink.... Not sure if she played summer ball.....If the staff is pursuing her??? ....She must have something going for her....Not sure what it is... Anyone with info to share? It appears that very few Oregon h.s. girl's coaches follow this board!!🏀 GO BEAVS !! Vonleh has dropped considerably since she was the #1 ranked post and top-15 overall, but still a big deal to see an Oregon girl in the top-40. She played club for Northwest Elite, which competes on the EYBL circuit against teams like Tree of Hope, Cal Stars, All Iowa, Midwest Elite, etc., so she was playing high level competition all summer. I haven’t heard much about her in relation to OSU, but who knows. |
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Post by qbeaver on Sept 12, 2019 23:22:05 GMT -8
The Academic side is haphazardly administered and the athletic side is inconsistent and looks the other way when certain programs, and or athletes are involved. Their ( NCAA ), very existence should be questioned and challenged at every level. I am pleased to see the courts and other legal challenges take over. At the same time, there are some huge risks and watch outs with any new system. Follow the money and you will just see a group of different greedy people driving ‘everything’ for their benefit and forgetting about the Academic and Athletic ideals that are supposed to help the kids, not enrich the guys in the back room. If you are speaking to the NCAA as an organization they have ZERO to do with academics. Anything to do with academic scandal(s) is not within their jurisdiction... at all. With regard to the Cali law (if signed or allowed to pass into law without signing) the NCAA is on the right course. Others here seem to think other states will follow. Maybe, but as soon as athletes are allowed any 'outside' compensation without strict guidelines and a powerful legislative/judicial body to enforce policy it is the end of college athletics as we know it. If people think recruiting and scandals are bad now, wait until "compensation" is allowed. The HAVES will find means and methods to control elite athletes in every sport they deem important to their school. No matter how it is played, the 'song' is the same... scholarships at every level are payments. The goal was and should remain to serve 'student athletes'. It may be old school, but, once the issue of extra compensation is broached there is no going back. If so, there might as well be (2) "college" divisions... those with compensation, those who stand pat. Create whatever subdivisions and limits on the amount of athletes getting compensation you want, there will never be equity and almost no way to police such a system. This discussion truly shines the light on the absolute decay our political system finds itself. "Laws" and policy are created and sometimes passed as pure "resume" highlights without regard to implementation and forethought it what it means long term. Typically pure political bias outweighs logical/reasonable thinking. If you think government wastes dollars on program and efficiency, just how much would Cali waste trying to enforce this?? Or, as in most cases does the State of California expect someone else to take on the responsibility for their policy? The day that it becomes a bidding war,and athletes are being paid,that is the last day I buy a ticket to an NCAA event. How about an education and the benefits of going to college being compensation enough? There are numerous if the athlete chooses to take advantage of them...contacts with employers,possible exposure for a pro athletic career,a college degree,etc. How much does a person with a college degree make over their lifetime,on average,over a person who just has a high school diploma...250k,300k...it's some figure like that. That is on average...that isn't a benefit to have the opportunity to do that non gratis? In pro baseball an athlete can come straight out of high school and be compensated,and basketball will be in a couple years. Golf...yes...Tennis...yes...track and field...yes. Etc. If athletes don't want to go to college to earn a living,they don't have to... |
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