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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 30, 2016 7:34:38 GMT -8
I've gotten some pretty good mileage last night/this morning out of sending my duck friends bad intel text messages:
"heard Mullens is in Boston to talk to BELICHICK! WOW, HOW EXCITING!!"
"Some big time boosters were spotted in Eugene at dinner last night with Paul Wulff. He's a NW guy you know.. makes perfect sense..."
"Multiple media outlets are now reporting it's Hoke's job to lose. Continuity IS important!" (this one gets an F-U response coming back my way)
"Breaking - Dan Hawkins backs out of UC Davis job at last minute. Stay tuned!"
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Post by LT Beaver on Nov 30, 2016 8:43:27 GMT -8
I actually felt Helfrich gave value to u of o being the person he is. The way they left him hanging then dumping him only makes me despise them more than ever. With the personnel they've recruited based on their offense I certainly can't see them being better over the next 3 years. New coaches have different philosophy's and ideas which will only slow the process. Here's hoping he takes the money and gets a coaching job that eventually comes back to haunt them.
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 30, 2016 8:47:01 GMT -8
Wouldn't THAT be interesting? I don't know about X's and O's, or how it would translate in terms of wins, but Schiano and Bo Pelini are kindred spirits. He's intense, and his Tampa team was the dirtiest in the league when he coached there. One thing is for sure....if he were to become their next coach, nobody would question their toughness.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 30, 2016 9:27:39 GMT -8
Wouldn't THAT be interesting? I don't know about X's and O's, or how it would translate in terms of wins, but Schiano and Bo Pelini are kindred spirits. He's intense, and his Tampa team was the dirtiest in the league when he coached there. One thing is for sure....if he were to become their next coach, nobody would question their toughness. From a "that's an interesting hire" perspective I'd like to see what happens. About the complete opposite to the Chip Kelly era.
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 30, 2016 9:44:22 GMT -8
Wouldn't THAT be interesting? I don't know about X's and O's, or how it would translate in terms of wins, but Schiano and Bo Pelini are kindred spirits. He's intense, and his Tampa team was the dirtiest in the league when he coached there. One thing is for sure....if he were to become their next coach, nobody would question their toughness. From a "that's an interesting hire" perspective I'd like to see what happens. About the complete opposite to the Chip Kelly era. Not sure I really buy Canzano's rationale of: PK admires Urban, see how Schiano is smiling at PK as PK speaks?, Schiano coaches defense = candidate... Don't know if that really moves the needle with the "we think of ourselves as elite" crowd. Though between GA and Schiano we would become the grittiest, most lunch "pail-ey" football state in all the land. I'm not sure there's enough room for that much FIRE. In the meantime, I'm looking forward to Fleck and McEllwain hopefully playing Mullens and bluffing to get themselves more money from Purdue & Florida. Can't really see Fleck coming out west with 4 little ones from his first marriage back in Michigan. But what do I know...
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 30, 2016 10:06:24 GMT -8
I find it hard to believe that they are going to take a risk on anyone other than an established big name coach, and even that is not a sure bet. They decided to have instant relevance in baseball by hiring Horton, and he rapidly made them a playoff club, but he's not gotten them to a Series yet, and Phil is 78 and he wants a title!
My money is on someone worth spending $5+ million a year on, not on gambling on a coordinator except in a very special case. Say what you want about Belloooti, but he knew talent when he hired the Chipster.
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Post by ElBeavoLoco on Nov 30, 2016 10:23:56 GMT -8
If I were uncle Phil, I'd work on building a Krispy Kreme right inside the athletic center. He could get ol' Skippy and Butterstick back in one shot....for a helluva lot less than 10 mil a year
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Post by beavis on Nov 30, 2016 10:25:55 GMT -8
Looking at Oregon's situation and available coaches I really feel fortunate to have THE Coach A as our leader. None of the names mentioned bring Coach A's mojo.
Cheers for MOJO!
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Post by ElBeavoLoco on Nov 30, 2016 10:26:56 GMT -8
If you're the caliber of coach who knows you can get it done on your own, why come to hole so you can be Phil's lackey? I wouldn't, even for a pay raise. Who needs the aggravation?
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2016 10:36:40 GMT -8
If you're the caliber of coach who knows you can get it done on your own, why come to hole so you can be Phil's lackey? I wouldn't, even for a pay raise. Who needs the aggravation? I've been a critic if GA and still not sold, year 3 is the "tell", but to your point I believe you hit the nail on the head as one of the key reasons GA came to OSU... President is supportive both in $ and reorganization of program, no DB/overbearing AD, and no authoritarian "pontiff"/owner/big booster. GA was allowed to do it his way here... sink or swim it's all on him. And that's the way it should be. Anyone coach going to TSDTR loses a lot of moral credibility in my eyes... going to a highly publicized train wreck, multiple NCAA violations in multiple sports, and with little institutional control of its athletes and programs. Not the type of guy I want coaching my kid or program. But, they'll find the guy to take Phil's $$. The admin allowed uncle "despot" to create a self destructive ouroboros that will eventually devour itself. I'll enjoy watching.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 30, 2016 10:46:34 GMT -8
I find it hard to believe that they are going to take a risk on anyone other than an established big name coach, and even that is not a sure bet. They decided to have instant relevance in baseball by hiring Horton, and he rapidly made them a playoff club, but he's not gotten them to a Series yet, and Phil is 78 and he wants a title! My money is on someone worth spending $5+ million a year on, not on gambling on a coordinator except in a very special case. Say what you want about Belloooti, but he knew talent when he hired the Chipster. I'd tend to agree. Again, I have no name and am calling no shots, but one has to believe they are going to flash some cash and grab the biggest "sure bet" coach they can. So basically, no Beau Baldwin type thing here. They are going to try an pry away a winner from somewhere I think. Charlie Strong is available!!!
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 30, 2016 11:01:21 GMT -8
If you're the caliber of coach who knows you can get it done on your own, why come to hole so you can be Phil's lackey? I wouldn't, even for a pay raise. Who needs the aggravation? I am not sure about the lackey assessment - whatever you can say about the Chipster, he didn't appear to be anyone's lackey. He came in and did what he was supposed to do, then left when he got his shot at the NFL, even if the "powers that be" offered him more money. As long as you win, you get left to do what you are doing. Once you start losing after having some success, then everyone is breathing down your neck - OSU has its big money boosters too who throw their weight around, tho perhaps without the shear force of the uck's leading money man.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2016 11:04:22 GMT -8
If you're the caliber of coach who knows you can get it done on your own, why come to hole so you can be Phil's lackey? I wouldn't, even for a pay raise. Who needs the aggravation? I am not sure about the lackey assessment - whatever you can say about the Chipster, he didn't appear to be anyone's lackey. He came in and did what he was supposed to do, then left when he got his shot at the NFL, even if the "powers that be" offered him more money. As long as you win, you get left to do what you are doing. Once you start losing after having some success, then everyone is breathing down your neck - OSU has its big money boosters too who throw their weight around, tho perhaps without the shear force of the uck's leading money man. I agree except... "lackey" to uncle Phil = wins. Chipster won early and often. Uncle Phil could cate less about anything else. If chip had gone 6-6 there world have been interesting battles of words in betting.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 30, 2016 11:06:13 GMT -8
baseba1111 - I'm with you on the GA thing. It's his program here, his word is law, anything he wants he's going to get (with the exception of an remodeled west side of the stadium any time soon). I get why he left Wisconsin (side note: it looks pretty likely that Chryst gets to a "Big Six" bowl in year two doing it Barry's way against a pretty brutal schedule that included an insane six teams ranked in the top ten at the time they played them. They went 3-2 in those games with Penn St. still to come on Saturday). I see where you're coming from on the UO coach thing too....Helfrich's personality seemed at odds with the culture there, and that might be why it didn't work as smoothly as everyone in Eugene would've liked. Hard to steer the ship against the current. I think we're all hoping they hire a sleazebag that validates our hatred of all things green and yellow. I remember for a few years when the Ducks had Luke Ridnour, Luke Jackson, and Freddie Jones I found it a little more difficult to dislike them on the basketball court. Thankfully that corrected itself rather quickly.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 30, 2016 11:58:34 GMT -8
If you're the caliber of coach who knows you can get it done on your own, why come to hole so you can be Phil's lackey? I wouldn't, even for a pay raise. Who needs the aggravation? I am not sure about the lackey assessment - whatever you can say about the Chipster, he didn't appear to be anyone's lackey. He came in and did what he was supposed to do, then left when he got his shot at the NFL, even if the "powers that be" offered him more money. As long as you win, you get left to do what you are doing. Once you start losing after having some success, then everyone is breathing down your neck - OSU has its big money boosters too who throw their weight around, tho perhaps without the shear force of the uck's leading money man. We should not characterize Chip's leaving hole as "when he got his shot at the NFL". The *ucks dragged out the "pay for recruits" saga for so long, and finally pushed responsibility off on chip when he got an NFL job he wanted. Remember, chip got handed a two-year "show cause" penalty. It's VERY likely he would have been unable to coach the *ucks in 2013 or 2014. (not to say that hole's "cleaner" would have suggested different penalties if chip didn't have other options). Still, I just want to point out that chip didn't necessarily leave hole all on his own accord. He was a sacrifice to the NCAA for their major violations.
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