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Post by sewingbeaver on Mar 27, 2024 9:44:57 GMT -8
I'll add that passing needs to be crisp and intentional. Fewer fake/projecting movements.
GO BEAVS!
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Post by jones on Mar 27, 2024 10:58:22 GMT -8
Hidalgo is better as a Fr. than Sherrod has ever been. I don't know about quickness, but just in terms of being a basketball player. If you want to talk about quickest/fastest player in the Pac 12, I think I'd put my money on Vieira from Utah, but she's never been a big scoring threat. She is a pest. I call her mighty mite. Sherrod was a loose cannon in her early years, fast yes, but a brick meister at the hoop.
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Post by lotrader on Mar 27, 2024 11:40:33 GMT -8
beaverstever, spot on analysis. I'll add one more...ND plays only 6 players in their rotation (can play 7). We need to play in-your-face perimeter defense and tire out ND guards by playing all our guards/wings in this game. ND hasn't face tall perimeter defenders and that is our advantage as long as we can stay in front of Hidalgo. I'll be interested to see how OSU "switch" or "fight over" the screens set for Hidalgo.
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Post by beavsteve on Mar 27, 2024 11:50:30 GMT -8
beaverstever , spot on analysis. I'll add one more...ND plays only 6 players in their rotation (can play 7). We need to play in-your-face perimeter defense and tire out ND guards by playing all our guards/wings in this game. ND hasn't face tall perimeter defenders and that is our advantage as long as we can stay in front of Hidalgo. I'll be interested to see how OSU "switch" or "fight over" the screens set for Hidalgo. They are sure to try to exploit the play that gets their guard open for a little jump shot in the key - the one OSU has historically been so susceptible to and defends it by having our defender come from behind to try to block it. With our taller guards, we've been a bit more successful defending it recently and it should help that Hidalgo is a shorter guard (though her quickness and ability to elevate may very well negate that). I've really hated seeing the way OSU has been burned by that play in the past; it seems like an intrinsic weakness of SR's defenses.
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Post by bennyskid on Mar 27, 2024 12:16:34 GMT -8
It's not an intrinsic weakness, it's a *deliberate* weakness. That's a low-percentage shot for most teams, most players. Scott is big on analytics, and if he sees that ND is, say, 40% on that shot but 30% on the three and 50% in the key, he'll make sure they take that shot as often as possible.
Before a UO game one of the assistants gave away a piece of the game plan against Ionescu. She showed the shot chart they had on her and pointed to the part of the court where she was weakest. Our defense was going to take away her favorite spots and let her have that area. (I don't think she thought that this was going to be a secret to Graves.) Sure enough, during the game SI took most of her shots from that area. I think she still got 20+ points, but on maybe 40% shooting . . . and we won the game.
There's some psychology to it, as well. Sabrina probably felt that things were going well for her. She was getting open looks and putting a good number of them down. Graves probably felt like he didn't need to adjust anything. (I know the fans hated seeing our nemesis getting those looks.) But it was all part of Scott's plan.
The bottom line is this: We only see the shots the defensive scheme allows, not the shots that the defense took away. Only the coaches and players know the full plan and whether the plan is being executed properly, so don't get too hung up on any particular trend.
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Post by 93beav on Mar 27, 2024 13:48:01 GMT -8
I'll add that passing needs to be crisp and intentional. Fewer fake/projecting movements. GO BEAVS! And no more one handed bounce passes! OSU has it's work cut out for itself, but I'd expect that facing any team at this level. Don't forget that ND probably feels the same way about us. I suspect we'll know about three minutes in how we'll do based upon the number of fouls called. That holds the key to the game.
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Post by markarmour04 on Mar 27, 2024 14:33:20 GMT -8
IMO the occasional weakness in the Beavers offense the past few games has been forcing the ball into Beers. I understand that this is option 1, but TVO and DH need to occasionally say “nice D, it’s not there this time.” There are few better options in college basketball than “Raegan Beers in her spot” but it is not always an option.
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Post by sewingbeaver on Mar 27, 2024 14:35:55 GMT -8
ND write up (from fan page) on facing the Beavers:
Sweet 16
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Post by skyrider on Mar 27, 2024 14:45:35 GMT -8
I have been perusing all of the on line predictions, news articles, etc for this game (as a retired person I have permission to waste my time on this type of thing!).
Although everyone seems to feel that these teams are fairly evenly matched, the overwhelming majority predict a Notre Dame win (albeit by a slim margin).
The reasoning for selecting Notre Dame to win mainly centers around two reasons (1) Notre Dame has won every game the teams have played against each other in the past and (2) OSU has lost several games to the PAC 12 teams still in the tournament so as their reasoning then goes OSU is not as good as those teams and thus suspect.
The Beavs may not win (Notre Dame has 3 outstanding players) but this is I believe the best match up possible for the Beavs.
What needs to happen for the Beavs to win?
(a) Beers stay out of foul trouble. I would hope that Beers, Gardener and Rees all spending time guarding the Notre Dame post player(who is very good)
(b) Beavs shoot at or above their yearly percentage from the three point line
(c) The team amount of turnovers is equal to or less than their average turnovers for their PAC 12 games
(d) Their rebounding comparison to Notre Dame is equal to or better than similar PAC 12 games
To me the "wild card" here is Talia V. I know she will play well all around. However, when she is scoring well along with the other stuff, that is when the Beavers are really, really hard to beat.
Go Beavs.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 27, 2024 15:17:33 GMT -8
On Monday, I was giving Notre Dame the advantage in this game. It' Wednesday now, and I'm thinking the Beavs will win. We'll see if I change my mind again by Friday. Notre Dame is hot. No doubt about it, winning 10 in a row. They have some very good victories against teams like UCONN, Duke, Virginia Tech, Louisville and NC State, but they've also lost to Louisville NC State, Syracuse X 2 and North Carolina. The Beavs did lose to Stanford twice and USC twice, but they were playing shorthanded in some of those games, and I still think they would have beat USC in the first game at USC had it not been their very first road game this year.
I'm thinking a super low scoring game. Beavs defense will be suffocating and offense by both teams will be ugly. If the Beavs hit the three's like they did in the home game against Utah, or on the road at Colorado, then Notre Dame will have a tough time keeping up. If the Beavs shooting is not on, they may have a tough time hanging with Notre Dame. I'm really curious how the women feel about the game. If they believe in themselves, it should be a good game.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 27, 2024 15:55:08 GMT -8
"The bottom line is this: We only see the shots the defensive scheme allows, not the shots that the defense took away."
WAIT... so opponents don't ever dictate to OSU's defense. Those wide open 3's, layins, midrange inside the key are SR's plan? How did OSU lose (7) conference games, just didn't execute? Or did the opponent execute better?
"Only the coaches and players know the full plan and whether the plan is being executed properly"... so, then... how does one know which the defense "allowed" or was just out executed?
As for "trends", that's exactly what scouting and analytics is! When you are 30+ games into a season a team is who it is. Different players may step up or have bad games, but teams are their "trends".
Trying to be something you're not, or ignoring what a team will put a team on the losing end. At this point, each team will scout trends, attempt to take away certain strengths of the opponent. But, in doing so not go away from their own strengths.
ND is a very very solid zone team. OSU is a very streaky shooting team from 3 that can search their roster for a hot hand. Whichever of those prevails wins.
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Post by 02beav on Mar 27, 2024 16:18:31 GMT -8
Beavs don't have anybody that can guard Hidalgo and The Irish don't have anybody that can guard Beers. So my thought is that the game will come down to a couple of things. How they are able to help on those two without giving up easy looks and how well the two teams shoot from 3. Like rgeorge said, whoever shoots best that day will likely win because they are pretty evenly matched.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Mar 27, 2024 16:58:44 GMT -8
Hidalgo is better as a Fr. than Sherrod has ever been. I don't know about quickness, but just in terms of being a basketball player. If you want to talk about quickest/fastest player in the Pac 12, I think I'd put my money on Vieira from Utah, but she's never been a big scoring threat. She is a pest. I call her mighty mite. Sherrod was a loose cannon in her early years, fast yes, but a brick meister at the hoop. As I think you are alluding to here, Sherrod has definitely improved. Early on she was all speed w/ no shooting touch and poor decision making I thought. She is a quality guard now, no doubt. Me saying Hidalgo is better as a Fr. is more an indication of how good Hannah is rather than a knock on Sherrod.
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Post by wbosh15 on Mar 27, 2024 17:39:36 GMT -8
Key to the game is can we successfully attack their zone AND keep ND out of transition. Can we attack gaps with either the dribble or the pass and set up good shots? I believe Westbeld and Gardiner are fairly similar players so how do they do in that match up? i’m really excited for the game because it’s a very interesting matchup in styles.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 27, 2024 18:16:26 GMT -8
Key to the game is can we successfully attack their zone AND keep ND out of transition. Can we attack gaps with either the dribble or the pass and set up good shots? I believe Westbeld and Gardiner are fairly similar players so how do they do in that match up? i’m really excited for the game because it’s a very interesting matchup in styles. Westbeld and Gardiner are very similar statistically. Per/40 mins. Westbeld is a little better in rebounding and Gardiner is a little better at 3 pt shooting. Oh, and Gardiner has been playing 1 1/3 years and Westbeld has been playing 4 years.
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