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Post by ftd on Mar 9, 2024 9:17:46 GMT -8
Nailed it. Rueck was asked in post game presser by Oregonian's Nick Daschel why he went away from playing 8-10 all year to playing only 6 in the Stanford game. Rueck did not like the question--Rueck knows he blew it. In the second half, we missed so many wide open 3's--and the shots were there. Adlee played 1 minute and Lily never saw the floor? Good lesson that I hope sticks before we go into NCAA Tournament. Play the bench! It is our single biggest strength. Definitely not one of SRs better decisions. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." and if he played the bench and we lost? We'd be critical of his 'not playing the best players' vs a top team like Stanford..
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 9, 2024 9:30:24 GMT -8
Definitely not one of SRs better decisions. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." and if he played the bench and we lost? We'd be critical of his 'not playing the best players' vs a top team like Stanford.. He has gone to a shorter bench previously in some matchups. Whenever Rae was benched we were very mismatched inside. Stanford punishes any defensive miscues, and it felt like Rueck was quick to pull anyone who got exploited. I had no problem with how he managed minutes; exchanging fresh legs for known deficiencies isn’t a sound strategy. This is game three vs. Stanford, the best options are now well known by both coaches. We were a few shots going down by players that often make them from being right there - that’s all you can ask from a coach.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 9, 2024 9:51:28 GMT -8
and if he played the bench and we lost? We'd be critical of his 'not playing the best players' vs a top team like Stanford.. He has gone to a shorter bench previously in some matchups. Whenever Rae was benched we were very mismatched inside. Stanford punishes any defensive miscues, and it felt like Rueck was quick to pull anyone who got exploited. I had no problem with how he managed minutes; exchanging fresh legs for known deficiencies isn’t a sound strategy. This is game three vs. Stanford, the best options are now well known by both coaches. We were a few shots going down by players that often make them from being right there - that’s all you can ask from a coach. Common on, don't confuse the issue with facts. It's not like this team hasn't had several inconsistent offensive performances. And, rarely until now was the rotation mentioned as the issue. The open looks were missed. They weren't "mostly" short. They were long, offline, rushed, under pressure. Slowly losing a double digit lead and that emotional high had players pressing. The better team won that day... and hopefully this was a learning experience. Playing a 14 seed (guess) is not going to be a push over if players press.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 9, 2024 9:58:02 GMT -8
I thought Stanford played a really solid game yesterday aside from OSU’s early run. They’re tough to beat when their guards are making shots as they have the best inside duo in the country IMO.
We’ve still had an excellent year, far exceeded expectations, and hopefully are ready to make some noise in the tournament. Feels like people are overanalyzing a loss against a team that IMO is just more talented and experienced and also a bad matchup for OSU.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 9, 2024 10:16:30 GMT -8
I thought Stanford played a really solid game yesterday aside from OSU’s early run. They’re tough to beat when their guards are making shots as they have the best inside duo in the country IMO. We’ve still had an excellent year, far exceeded expectations, and hopefully are ready to make some noise in the tournament. Feels like people are overanalyzing a loss against a team that IMO is just more talented and experienced and also a bad matchup for OSU. The main factor in that game, and was going to be all along IMHO, was experience. Every returning player on the Stanford roster had been there done this before. For some 4 times plus NCAA tourneys. Stanford was down the early to Cal, by the same 8pts at half. They just went about biz as usual.
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Post by ag87 on Mar 9, 2024 10:21:24 GMT -8
no such thing as P12 refs. Technically you are correct. However, referees are assigned to conferences based on the specific regulations and requirements of a conference for referees, and the experience, performance, and compatibility of an individual referee with the style of play in a conference. Perhaps that is why we see the same referee pool throughout the season in any particular conference, such as the PAC12. Here is a link to a very informative article about the process of assigning referees to conferences: thetechy.life/how-are-ncaa-basketball-referees-assigned/
Despite the article you attach, the referees are not assigned to regular season games. The refs choose their games. Each conference has a list made up of A, B, C, and D refs. A-list refs get to create their schedules first, then down through the list. A ref may be on the lists of 20 conferences, for example some B-list and some C-list. On about September 1, the A-listers can start making their schedule. Then two days later the B-listers and so on. The refs get paid a certain amount per game and are responsible for all expenses. So you dont see a ref based in Mississippi coming out for P12 games. The power conferences pay more and the amount goes down as you get to the WAC and Southland and so on. If you are a D-lister, all the high paying games are gone so you ref a game in Bozeman one night and then travel to Abilene. If you are graded well, you get on a higher priority list. I know NCAA tournament games are assigned and the refs get a per diem. I think the conference tournament games are treated the same way as regular season games. On the men's side, you see guys going to LV, working the WCC tournament and then the next week working every night in the Pac-12, MWC, and BigWest with maybe a side trip to the Big Sky. A few folks make a lot of money.
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Post by scottybooks on Mar 9, 2024 10:22:50 GMT -8
AdLily might have been the prescription. The doctor chose not to prescribe.
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Post by standerd on Mar 9, 2024 10:52:58 GMT -8
Technically you are correct. However, referees are assigned to conferences based on the specific regulations and requirements of a conference for referees, and the experience, performance, and compatibility of an individual referee with the style of play in a conference. Perhaps that is why we see the same referee pool throughout the season in any particular conference, such as the PAC12. Here is a link to a very informative article about the process of assigning referees to conferences: thetechy.life/how-are-ncaa-basketball-referees-assigned/
Despite the article you attach, the referees are not assigned to regular season games. The refs choose their games. Each conference has a list made up of A, B, C, and D refs. A-list refs get to create their schedules first, then down through the list. A ref may be on the lists of 20 conferences, for example some B-list and some C-list. On about September 1, the A-listers can start making their schedule. Then two days later the B-listers and so on. The refs get paid a certain amount per game and are responsible for all expenses. So you dont see a ref based in Mississippi coming out for P12 games. The power conferences pay more and the amount goes down as you get to the WAC and Southland and so on. If you are a D-lister, all the high paying games are gone so you ref a game in Bozeman one night and then travel to Abilene. If you are graded well, you get on a higher priority list. I know NCAA tournament games are assigned and the refs get a per diem. I think the conference tournament games are treated the same way as regular season games. On the men's side, you see guys going to LV, working the WCC tournament and then the next week working every night in the Pac-12, MWC, and BigWest with maybe a side trip to the Big Sky. A few folks make a lot of money. Thanks for the explanation. I guess "assigned" was the wrong choice of word instead of "choose." Just interesting that I have seen mostly the same referees year after year. What an interesting world that of the referee!
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 9, 2024 11:15:57 GMT -8
Since people get vicious if I say more than one thing on a subject I'll just put this out on the Beav's getting tired and no sub's, then and no more.
Tara- "Yeah, we were running a lot of screens and stuff...trying to tire OSU out". I think Tara demonstrated why she's got the record in wins, and Scott's not going to endanger that record as long as he does things because it "feels right".
Oh and despite some folks here who are convinced that 20 year olds never get tired Scott was willing to admit when asked if the team was feeling the effects of the double overtime the day before..."maybe".
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Post by grayman on Mar 9, 2024 11:20:29 GMT -8
I know Daschel probably meant that Rueck stuck with six players later in the game but Rueck actually played nine players against Stanford. Rees proved to be relatively ineffective, Adlee got in for 3 minutes but took a bad shot and Shuler just came in for a cup of coffee to give Hunter a break. Really, only Lily sitting made this different from any other OSU game as far as PT in the second half of the season. I don't believe the players looked particularly gassed at all. Missing open looks has been an ongoing problem for this team. I believe they stem from a combination of youth at certain positions, Rueck's defense is all important philosophy (which I largely agree with) and possibly from an offense that is structured in the wrong way (to an extent) for this group. IE, I think it might result in restricting some aspects of the offense. Anyway, the Beavers are still in a pretty good position moving into the NCAA Tournament.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 9, 2024 11:26:59 GMT -8
I know Daschel probably meant that Rueck stuck with six players later in the game but Rueck actually played nine players against Stanford. Rees proved to be relatively ineffective, Adlee got in for 3 minutes but took a bad shot and Shuler just came in for a cup of coffee to give Hunter a break. Really, only Lily sitting made this different from any other OSU game as far as PT in the second half of the season. I don't believe the players looked particularly gassed at all. Missing open looks has been an ongoing problem for this team. I believe they stem from a combination of youth at certain positions, Rueck's defense is all important philosophy (which I largely agree with) and possibly from an offense that is structured in the wrong way (to an extent) for this group. IE, I think it might result in restricting some aspects of the offense. Anyway, the Beavers are still in a pretty good position moving into the NCAA Tournament. NO, I'm NOT going to say anything more....you can't MAKE me.
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Post by grayman on Mar 9, 2024 11:51:12 GMT -8
I know Daschel probably meant that Rueck stuck with six players later in the game but Rueck actually played nine players against Stanford. Rees proved to be relatively ineffective, Adlee got in for 3 minutes but took a bad shot and Shuler just came in for a cup of coffee to give Hunter a break. Really, only Lily sitting made this different from any other OSU game as far as PT in the second half of the season. I don't believe the players looked particularly gassed at all. Missing open looks has been an ongoing problem for this team. I believe they stem from a combination of youth at certain positions, Rueck's defense is all important philosophy (which I largely agree with) and possibly from an offense that is structured in the wrong way (to an extent) for this group. IE, I think it might result in restricting some aspects of the offense. Anyway, the Beavers are still in a pretty good position moving into the NCAA Tournament. NO, I'm NOT going to say anything more....you can't MAKE me. I don't think you are wrong but I think both sides of the discussion can be valid. Obviously, playing two OTs is not going to leave the players as fresh as just playing a regulation time game. But the belief that these players can recover quickly due to age and the fact that they are Division I athletes is absolutely accurate IMO. My point about the missed open shots being a consistent issue for the Beavers stands, IMO. While playing the extra time probably contributed, it's not as if this problem can be connected to playing 2 OT games this season.
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Post by osu82 on Mar 9, 2024 15:10:02 GMT -8
Dono was asked after the Colorado game if she was tired and she answered “not really”.
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Post by jones on Mar 9, 2024 15:53:32 GMT -8
AdLily might have been the prescription. The doctor chose not to prescribe. Lily is liability on defense. She is still working out the nuances of switches, zones et al. Stanford's offense was out hustling the Beavs in the latter part of the game. For the most part, the best combination/hybrid of Beav offense and defense was on the floor. A missed lay-up here, a bad pass there, missed switch on defense, missed rebound... normal parts of the game that become critical in the 4th quarter. The Beavs were so very close in the 4th but (as another poster said) Stanford has experience-plus and handled the situation.
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Post by beavs123 on Mar 9, 2024 18:17:04 GMT -8
Can someone explain the ncaa tournament sites? I see portland listed but people are talking about hosting in corvallis? TIA!
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