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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 16, 2019 21:41:04 GMT -8
I was hoping that Oregon State would keep it closer to Colorado. A 10+ loss really killed the Beavers' chances. (Anything more than a one possession loss really......) I think it will come down to an argument between Oregon State and a team like Georgetown. The Beavers did better in conference and played a harder non-conference schedule (hard to believe but true).
Oregon State has non-conference neutral site wins over Old Dominion by 5 and Penn by 16. Georgetown only beat one team with a winning record in non-conference play away from DC and that was an overtime win over South Florida, which finished eighth in the American Athletic Conference.
Both teams lost in their first game in their conference tournament, and Georgetown's loss was bigger (hard to believe but true). After Oregon's win, the Pac-12, to me, at least, looks like a three-bid league. So the question becomes whether Colorado is the only team in the NIT or not.
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Post by ocbeav on Mar 17, 2019 9:02:11 GMT -8
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Post by bennysdentist on Mar 17, 2019 9:06:31 GMT -8
NIT? Meh. I’m interested in one tourny—the NCAA.
Go Zags!
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 17, 2019 9:39:04 GMT -8
I’m drawing a blank. Who won the NIT last year?
That’s my thought.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Mar 17, 2019 17:36:16 GMT -8
Nits ?……… think they have Rx for that....
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Post by greshambeaver on Mar 17, 2019 19:26:57 GMT -8
PSU won the NIT in 2018...................
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Post by mbabeav on Mar 17, 2019 19:53:20 GMT -8
Not any more
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 18, 2019 8:56:01 GMT -8
The Beavers finished 109th in RPI, but they finished 87th in NET and 85th in Ken Pom. Personally, 19-13 Georgetown (Big East #6, 82nd in NET, and 91st in Ken Pom), 20-14 San Diego (West Coast Conference #7, 97th in NET, and 86th in Ken Pom), and 19-14 Wichita State (American Athletic #6, 83rd in NET, and 93rd in Ken Pom) getting in over Oregon State is a huge slap in the face to the program specifically and the Pac-12 in general. Arkansas getting in and having their best player declaring that he will not play is also a slap in the face to all of the teams that did not receive invites. Yale beating Harvard, giving the Crimson an automatic bid to the NIT was a back-breaker, but the Beavers affirmatively still should have received a bid. It's only egregious, though, if you are Oregon State..............
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 23, 2019 14:42:30 GMT -8
The Beavers finished 109th in RPI, but they finished 87th in NET and 85th in Ken Pom. Personally, 19-13 Georgetown (Big East #6, 82nd in NET, and 91st in Ken Pom), 20-14 San Diego (West Coast Conference #7, 97th in NET, and 86th in Ken Pom), and 19-14 Wichita State (American Athletic #6, 83rd in NET, and 93rd in Ken Pom) getting in over Oregon State is a huge slap in the face to the program specifically and the Pac-12 in general. Arkansas getting in and having their best player declaring that he will not play is also a slap in the face to all of the teams that did not receive invites. Yale beating Harvard, giving the Crimson an automatic bid to the NIT was a back-breaker, but the Beavers affirmatively still should have received a bid. It's only egregious, though, if you are Oregon State.............. Colorado beat Dayton. Norfolk State upset Alabama, so Colorado gets a home game before going on the road against the Texas-Xavier winner. The Pac-12 Regular Season Champion upset (because the Committee seemed to have one functioning brain cell between them) #2 Mountain West Utah State. The Pac-12 Tournament Champion, #6 Oregon upset #4 Big Ten Wisconsin by 18 points. Arizona State beat a very bad St. John's team before bowing out to Buffalo. (Oregon State looked like a far more complete team than St. John's.) As stated above, neither Georgetown nor San Diego looked like an NIT team. Georgetown lost at home to Harvard. The last three teams in were San Diego, Toledo, and Wichita State. Neither San Diego nor Toledo looked like they belonged, getting rolled by 14 points each. San Diego looked particularly bad, getting rolled by a very mediocre Memphis team, which in turn got rolled by a mediocre Creighton team. Wichita State upset Furman, which was a metric darling this year. North Carolina Greensboro, which finished second in the Southern Conference lost to Lipscomb at home, as well. The Southern Conference Champion, Wofford, beat a very mediocre Seton Hall before bowing out to Kentucky. Oregon State has jumped up four spots in Ken Pom, since the NIT and Tournament began all on strength of schedule. That would have put the Beavers comfortably in. The Big East Champion, Villanova sweated out a close win over St. Mary's. I expect Nova to lose badly to Purdue. Big East #2 Marquette got "upset" by Murray State by 19. Big East #3 Seton Hall lost to Wofford. Big East #4 Xavier beat Toledo in the NIT, but I expect them to lose to Texas. Big East #5 Creighton beat Loyola-Chicago and Memphis at home, but gets the Nebraska-TCU winner in the next round. Big East #6 Georgetown got upset at home by Harvard. Big East #7 lost by nine to Arizona State in the First Four in Dayton, a day's drive from campus. Big East #8 lost by 12 at home to Arkansas, which was playing without their best player. Big East #9 lost to Nebraska in basketball. Big East #10 DePaul accepted a CBI bid and won their opener at home. DePaul will play Longwood in the second round. The more I think about this, the angrier that I get.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 23, 2019 19:54:36 GMT -8
The Beavers finished 109th in RPI, but they finished 87th in NET and 85th in Ken Pom. Personally, 19-13 Georgetown (Big East #6, 82nd in NET, and 91st in Ken Pom), 20-14 San Diego (West Coast Conference #7, 97th in NET, and 86th in Ken Pom), and 19-14 Wichita State (American Athletic #6, 83rd in NET, and 93rd in Ken Pom) getting in over Oregon State is a huge slap in the face to the program specifically and the Pac-12 in general. Arkansas getting in and having their best player declaring that he will not play is also a slap in the face to all of the teams that did not receive invites. Yale beating Harvard, giving the Crimson an automatic bid to the NIT was a back-breaker, but the Beavers affirmatively still should have received a bid. It's only egregious, though, if you are Oregon State.............. Colorado beat Dayton. Norfolk State upset Alabama, so Colorado gets a home game before going on the road against the Texas-Xavier winner. The Pac-12 Regular Season Champion upset (because the Committee seemed to have one functioning brain cell between them) #2 Mountain West Utah State. The Pac-12 Tournament Champion, #6 Oregon upset #4 Big Ten Wisconsin by 18 points. Arizona State beat a very bad St. John's team before bowing out to Buffalo. (Oregon State looked like a far more complete team than St. John's.) As stated above, neither Georgetown nor San Diego looked like an NIT team. Georgetown lost at home to Harvard. The last three teams in were San Diego, Toledo, and Wichita State. Neither San Diego nor Toledo looked like they belonged, getting rolled by 14 points each. San Diego looked particularly bad, getting rolled by a very mediocre Memphis team, which in turn got rolled by a mediocre Creighton team. Wichita State upset Furman, which was a metric darling this year. North Carolina Greensboro, which finished second in the Southern Conference lost to Lipscomb at home, as well. The Southern Conference Champion, Wofford, beat a very mediocre Seton Hall before bowing out to Kentucky. Oregon State has jumped up four spots in Ken Pom, since the NIT and Tournament began all on strength of schedule. That would have put the Beavers comfortably in. The Big East Champion, Villanova sweated out a close win over St. Mary's. I expect Nova to lose badly to Purdue. Big East #2 Marquette got "upset" by Murray State by 19. Big East #3 Seton Hall lost to Wofford. Big East #4 Xavier beat Toledo in the NIT, but I expect them to lose to Texas. Big East #5 Creighton beat Loyola-Chicago and Memphis at home, but gets the Nebraska-TCU winner in the next round. Big East #6 Georgetown got upset at home by Harvard. Big East #7 lost by nine to Arizona State in the First Four in Dayton, a day's drive from campus. Big East #8 lost by 12 at home to Arkansas, which was playing without their best player. Big East #9 lost to Nebraska in basketball. Big East #10 DePaul accepted a CBI bid and won their opener at home. DePaul will play Longwood in the second round. The more I think about this, the angrier that I get. Only you could get upset over an undeserved NIT bid. You must like sitting at the kids table at Thanksgiving.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 24, 2019 5:51:00 GMT -8
Undeserved? It could certainly be argued the 4th-place Pac-12 team was as good or better than the Big East's #9 team. Pac-12 is 3-1 in the NCAAs and 1-0 in the NIT, with 2-0 coming up on Monday. The Big East has been terrible in postseason.
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Post by bill82 on Mar 24, 2019 12:54:52 GMT -8
Television markets were certainly a factor. Maybe airports too.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2019 13:23:16 GMT -8
Colorado beat Dayton. Norfolk State upset Alabama, so Colorado gets a home game before going on the road against the Texas-Xavier winner. The Pac-12 Regular Season Champion upset (because the Committee seemed to have one functioning brain cell between them) #2 Mountain West Utah State. The Pac-12 Tournament Champion, #6 Oregon upset #4 Big Ten Wisconsin by 18 points. Arizona State beat a very bad St. John's team before bowing out to Buffalo. (Oregon State looked like a far more complete team than St. John's.) As stated above, neither Georgetown nor San Diego looked like an NIT team. Georgetown lost at home to Harvard. The last three teams in were San Diego, Toledo, and Wichita State. Neither San Diego nor Toledo looked like they belonged, getting rolled by 14 points each. San Diego looked particularly bad, getting rolled by a very mediocre Memphis team, which in turn got rolled by a mediocre Creighton team. Wichita State upset Furman, which was a metric darling this year. North Carolina Greensboro, which finished second in the Southern Conference lost to Lipscomb at home, as well. The Southern Conference Champion, Wofford, beat a very mediocre Seton Hall before bowing out to Kentucky. Oregon State has jumped up four spots in Ken Pom, since the NIT and Tournament began all on strength of schedule. That would have put the Beavers comfortably in. The Big East Champion, Villanova sweated out a close win over St. Mary's. I expect Nova to lose badly to Purdue. Big East #2 Marquette got "upset" by Murray State by 19. Big East #3 Seton Hall lost to Wofford. Big East #4 Xavier beat Toledo in the NIT, but I expect them to lose to Texas. Big East #5 Creighton beat Loyola-Chicago and Memphis at home, but gets the Nebraska-TCU winner in the next round. Big East #6 Georgetown got upset at home by Harvard. Big East #7 lost by nine to Arizona State in the First Four in Dayton, a day's drive from campus. Big East #8 lost by 12 at home to Arkansas, which was playing without their best player. Big East #9 lost to Nebraska in basketball. Big East #10 DePaul accepted a CBI bid and won their opener at home. DePaul will play Longwood in the second round. The more I think about this, the angrier that I get. Only you could get upset over an undeserved NIT bid. You must like sitting at the kids table at Thanksgiving. Undeserved? Are you smoking gas or something? Tell Big G and Stevie that they have to hang 'em up, so that Big East #9 can play poorly on a national stage. Having watched the Big East play some terrible basketball all year, up until and including watching Purdue (Big Ten #2) dismantle a very poor Nova (Big East #1) in what was basically a home game for Nova, I can definitely say that Oregon State could and would beat Big East #6-#9 more times than not on a neutral court. Including all four over the Beavers was a joke, just like including San Diego and excluding Oregon State.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 24, 2019 13:24:55 GMT -8
Only you could get upset over an undeserved NIT bid. You must like sitting at the kids table at Thanksgiving. Undeserved? Are you smoking gas or something? Tell Big G and Stevie that they have to hang 'em up, so that Big East #9 can play poorly on a national stage. Having watched the Big East play some terrible basketball all year, up until and including watching Purdue (Big Ten #2) dismantle a very poor Nova (Big East #1) in what was basically a home game for Nova, I can definitely say that Oregon State could and would beat Big East #6-#9 more times than not on a neutral court. Including all four over the Beavers was a joke, just like including San Diego and excluding Oregon State. We had our chance. We needed to beat Colorado. We fizzled down the stretch
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2019 13:25:03 GMT -8
Television markets were certainly a factor. Maybe airports too. Maybe airports. I have to believe that the Portland market would have tuned in to watch Oregon State play. The Pac-12 typically has a bunch of television watchers.
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