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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jun 30, 2018 10:02:27 GMT -8
In interviews since the win Adley has said multiple times that he tackled KA to protect him. He basically tried to hold the pile off of him.
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Post by ostate on Jun 30, 2018 17:14:23 GMT -8
This article shows you how little someone with a keyboard knows about today's game and is more worried about clicks... The Beavs use DriveLine training products and programs to increase recovery and performance, some good stuff... FYI - I am not affiliated in anyway with DriveLine...
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Post by chinmusic on Jun 30, 2018 22:03:23 GMT -8
The guy is Canzano's cousin.
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Post by albanianbeav on Jul 1, 2018 4:05:44 GMT -8
This article shows you how little someone with a keyboard knows about today's game and is more worried about clicks... The Beavs use DriveLine training products and programs to increase recovery and performance, some good stuff... FYI - I am not affiliated in anyway with DriveLine... To your point, Larry Brown is a monster for threatening to taint a man’s reputation, for his own personal gain that comes from clicks. Oh the irony.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 1, 2018 7:23:48 GMT -8
Does anyone know how many pitchers at other schools have undergone Tommy John surgery? Rasmussen, Tweedt, Starr, Fry all have at OSU. There might be others, I don’t know.
Now, for every one of those guys, there are others that were heavily used as freshmen that did not have arm injuries. I don’t think there’s necessarily a correlation, but I do have friends (Beaver fans) who have commented that we have always tended to leave starters in longer than we should, seemingly because the staff doesn’t have faith in the bullpen. I distinctly remember Stephen Copeland pitching into the 10th inning vs. USC in 1999 or 2000 or thereabouts.
I don’t agree that Abel pitching 129 pitches is “abusive” at all, but overuse of pitchers is a criticism of OSU baseball I’ve heard before.
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Post by bennyskid on Jul 1, 2018 7:38:14 GMT -8
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 1, 2018 9:29:48 GMT -8
most OSU pictures playing summer ball that I have followed get very few innings in. And then fall ball comes in there are so many pictures to choose from that they work more on form and improving certain pitches then ongoing long innings. Osu's philosophy is strength training and overall body conditioning I think until we hit the regular season along with the improving certain pitches rather than throwing year-round just to throw.
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 1, 2018 9:30:34 GMT -8
most OSU pitchers playing summer ball that I have followed get very few innings in. And then fall ball comes in there are so many pitchers to choose from that they work more on form and improving certain pitches then ongoing long innings. Osu's philosophy is strength training and overall body conditioning I think until we hit the regular season along with the improving certain pitches rather than throwing year-round just to throw.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 1, 2018 11:20:07 GMT -8
Does anyone know how many pitchers at other schools have undergone Tommy John surgery? Rasmussen, Tweedt, Starr, Fry all have at OSU. There might be others, I don’t know. Now, for every one of those guys, there are others that were heavily used as freshmen that did not have arm injuries. I don’t think there’s necessarily a correlation, but I do have friends (Beaver fans) who have commented that we have always tended to leave starters in longer than we should, seemingly because the staff doesn’t have faith in the bullpen. I distinctly remember Stephen Copeland pitching into the 10th inning vs. USC in 1999 or 2000 or thereabouts. I don’t agree that Abel pitching 129 pitches is “abusive” at all, but overuse of pitchers is a criticism of OSU baseball I’ve heard before. And... anyone who thinks pitch count is a bogus stat that keeps coaches from thinking, or whatever hell the nonsense thst was stated earlier in this thread, is completely out of their gourd! Absolutely ludicrous. Each pitcher is unique. There is no magic formula or number, but as numerous studies/EVERY prominent surgeon will tell you, wear and tear causes deterioration to joints and the suspensatory ligaments. Pitching/pitch counts are wear and tear. Noone knows what pitch will be their last. Was it "abuse"? Strong word with numerous connotations. But, I'll tell you most coaches don't allow 150 pitches in 24+ hours no matter what the player says he feels like. You have to remember that's 150 under extreme stress and heat. That doesn't account for the 50-60+ warm-up pitches between innings over the last two appearances. It doesn't count the 50-100 in the bullpen. Abel does not have a fully developed arm at 19. Will it have an impact on Kevin? Yep, every pitch does. Will it cause him to have TJ? No one knows. And 20/20 hindsight is usually also a tainted vision. But, 150 pitches in a short time span vs 150 over a 7 day period is far different in the stress levels on the joints. Abuse? No. Questionable at the D1 level when you should have several capable arms you can trust? Definitely. Does PC and staff care for their players? 100%. Were they influenced by the moment? I'd also say 100% as it has been a very rare occurrence under PC (Spencer or Yeskie) that any pitcher goes 110+ let alone 129 after an appearance the previous day. But... Pitch counts do matter, you just never know from player to player how much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 12:13:11 GMT -8
Does anyone know how many pitchers at other schools have undergone Tommy John surgery? Rasmussen, Tweedt, Starr, Fry all have at OSU. There might be others, I don’t know. Now, for every one of those guys, there are others that were heavily used as freshmen that did not have arm injuries. I don’t think there’s necessarily a correlation, but I do have friends (Beaver fans) who have commented that we have always tended to leave starters in longer than we should, seemingly because the staff doesn’t have faith in the bullpen. I distinctly remember Stephen Copeland pitching into the 10th inning vs. USC in 1999 or 2000 or thereabouts. I don’t agree that Abel pitching 129 pitches is “abusive” at all, but overuse of pitchers is a criticism of OSU baseball I’ve heard before. And... anyone who thinks pitch count is a bogus stat that keeps coaches from thinking, or whatever hell the nonsense thst was stated earlier in this thread, is completely out of their gourd! Absolutely ludicrous. Each pitcher is unique. There is no magic formula or number, but as numerous studies/EVERY prominent surgeon will tell you, wear and tear causes deterioration to joints and the suspensatory ligaments. Pitching/pitch counts are wear and tear. Noone knows what pitch will be their last. Was it "abuse"? Strong word with numerous connotations. But, I'll tell you most coaches don't allow 150 pitches in 24+ hours no matter what the player says he feels like. You have to remember that's 150 under extreme stress and heat. That doesn't account for the 50-60+ warm-up pitches between innings over the last two appearances. It doesn't count the 50-100 in the bullpen. Abel does not have a fully developed arm at 19. Will it have an impact on Kevin? Yep, every pitch does. Will it cause him to have TJ? No one knows. And 20/20 hindsight is usually also a tainted vision. But, 150 pitches in a short time span vs 150 over a 7 day period is far different in the stress levels on the joints. Abuse? No. Questionable at the D1 level when you should have several capable arms you can trust? Definitely. Does PC and staff care for their players? 100%. Were they influenced by the moment? I'd also say 100% as it has been a very rare occurrence under PC (Spencer or Yeskie) that any pitcher goes 110+ let alone 129 after an appearance the previous day. But... Pitch counts do matter, you just never know from player to player how much. After he worked out of the bases loaded mess in the third (?) Abel found an amazing groove It was hypnotic to see. His motion was so unlabored. It looked like he was fly fishing on a montana stream and not even trying all that hard to catch anything. Pulling him there would seem like interrupting DaVinci during the MonaLisa. But sorry. He was way over the pitch limit and that's why they pay people to make tough decisions. Same reason you follow the concussion protocol even when a kid says he's fine and is having a career game. Maybe it should be a trainer's decision. Also by the 7th inning Arkansas hitters were so demoralized I think beavs could have put Luke or Jake in and made that lead hold up. Sure this is all second guessing but the Beav coaches did what they did and won the whole enchilada. Serious quetion: Does anybody think the coaches or Jake regret how it went down or are now worrying about long term effects?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 1, 2018 22:51:16 GMT -8
And... anyone who thinks pitch count is a bogus stat that keeps coaches from thinking, or whatever hell the nonsense thst was stated earlier in this thread, is completely out of their gourd! Absolutely ludicrous. Each pitcher is unique. There is no magic formula or number, but as numerous studies/EVERY prominent surgeon will tell you, wear and tear causes deterioration to joints and the suspensatory ligaments. Pitching/pitch counts are wear and tear. Noone knows what pitch will be their last. Was it "abuse"? Strong word with numerous connotations. But, I'll tell you most coaches don't allow 150 pitches in 24+ hours no matter what the player says he feels like. You have to remember that's 150 under extreme stress and heat. That doesn't account for the 50-60+ warm-up pitches between innings over the last two appearances. It doesn't count the 50-100 in the bullpen. Abel does not have a fully developed arm at 19. Will it have an impact on Kevin? Yep, every pitch does. Will it cause him to have TJ? No one knows. And 20/20 hindsight is usually also a tainted vision. But, 150 pitches in a short time span vs 150 over a 7 day period is far different in the stress levels on the joints. Abuse? No. Questionable at the D1 level when you should have several capable arms you can trust? Definitely. Does PC and staff care for their players? 100%. Were they influenced by the moment? I'd also say 100% as it has been a very rare occurrence under PC (Spencer or Yeskie) that any pitcher goes 110+ let alone 129 after an appearance the previous day. But... Pitch counts do matter, you just never know from player to player how much. After he worked out of the bases loaded mess in the third (?) Abel found an amazing groove It was hypnotic to see. His motion was so unlabored. It looked like he was fly fishing on a montana stream and not even trying all that hard to catch anything. Pulling him there would seem like interrupting DaVinci during the MonaLisa. But sorry. He was way over the pitch limit and that's why they pay people to make tough decisions. Same reason you follow the concussion protocol even when a kid says he's fine and is having a career game. Maybe it should be a trainer's decision. Also by the 7th inning Arkansas hitters were so demoralized I think beavs could have put Luke or Jake in and made that lead hold up. Sure this is all second guessing but the Beav coaches did what they did and won the whole enchilada. Serious quetion: Does anybody think the coaches or Jake regret how it went down or are now worrying about long term effects? Somewhere, Dan Brown is counting his money, laughing at us all for naming that lousy book after the butchered non-name of the prototypical Renaissance man. Leonardo's last name was not "Da Vinci." "Da Vinci" means that Leonardo was a bastard from the town of Vinci. He typically signed his name without the "da Vinci," probably because of the negative connotation. Calling Leonardo "Da Vinci" would be akin to (but much worse than) calling Lawrence of Arabia, Mr. Of Arabia, or calling Jesus "Of Nazareth." Of Nazareth went to Cana and turned water into wine.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 2, 2018 10:57:52 GMT -8
wilkyisdashiznit, So what you're saying is that Brown's use of "da Vinci" was excessive and bordered on abuse?
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 2, 2018 11:06:01 GMT -8
wilkyisdashiznit , So what you're saying is that Brown's use of "da Vinci" was excessive and bordered on abuse? Don't think he "trusted" Rembrandt or Picasso???
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 2, 2018 11:56:42 GMT -8
And... anyone who thinks pitch count is a bogus stat that keeps coaches from thinking, or whatever hell the nonsense thst was stated earlier in this thread, is completely out of their gourd! Absolutely ludicrous. Each pitcher is unique. There is no magic formula or number, but as numerous studies/EVERY prominent surgeon will tell you, wear and tear causes deterioration to joints and the suspensatory ligaments. Pitching/pitch counts are wear and tear. Noone knows what pitch will be their last. Was it "abuse"? Strong word with numerous connotations. But, I'll tell you most coaches don't allow 150 pitches in 24+ hours no matter what the player says he feels like. You have to remember that's 150 under extreme stress and heat. That doesn't account for the 50-60+ warm-up pitches between innings over the last two appearances. It doesn't count the 50-100 in the bullpen. Abel does not have a fully developed arm at 19. Will it have an impact on Kevin? Yep, every pitch does. Will it cause him to have TJ? No one knows. And 20/20 hindsight is usually also a tainted vision. But, 150 pitches in a short time span vs 150 over a 7 day period is far different in the stress levels on the joints. Abuse? No. Questionable at the D1 level when you should have several capable arms you can trust? Definitely. Does PC and staff care for their players? 100%. Were they influenced by the moment? I'd also say 100% as it has been a very rare occurrence under PC (Spencer or Yeskie) that any pitcher goes 110+ let alone 129 after an appearance the previous day. But... Pitch counts do matter, you just never know from player to player how much. After he worked out of the bases loaded mess in the third (?) Abel found an amazing groove It was hypnotic to see. His motion was so unlabored. It looked like he was fly fishing on a montana stream and not even trying all that hard to catch anything. Pulling him there would seem like interrupting DaVinci during the MonaLisa. But sorry. He was way over the pitch limit and that's why they pay people to make tough decisions. Same reason you follow the concussion protocol even when a kid says he's fine and is having a career game. Maybe it should be a trainer's decision. Also by the 7th inning Arkansas hitters were so demoralized I think beavs could have put Luke or Jake in and made that lead hold up. Sure this is all second guessing but the Beav coaches did what they did and won the whole enchilada. Serious quetion: Does anybody think the coaches or Jake regret how it went down or are now worrying about long term effects? What is this “pitch limit” that you speak of with such certitude?
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Post by beaverdude on Jul 2, 2018 12:05:49 GMT -8
What is this “pitch limit” that you speak of with such certitude? Well..... They don't let you throw any more pitches after the 3rd out in the 9th inning....
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