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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 25, 2018 18:47:56 GMT -8
The numbers seem to point one way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 19:35:58 GMT -8
LOL... They can have the "Walks Issued" stat!
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Post by irimi on Jun 25, 2018 20:45:24 GMT -8
But I thought the pigs have all A+ marks and we sit in the B range. Lol
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Post by beavsaregood on Jun 25, 2018 21:00:59 GMT -8
But I thought the pigs have all A+ marks and we sit in the B range. Lol It's their special SEC mark-up.
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Post by texasdad on Jun 26, 2018 4:29:39 GMT -8
But I thought the pigs have all A+ marks and we sit in the B range. Lol It's their special SEC mark-up. Not taking anything away from OSU as they are a very special team. A good measure of talent is via the draft - this year the PAC12 had about 4.5 kids per team drafted as opposed to about 7.5 per team for the SEC. What that translate into, I'm not sure it's just a fact.
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Post by mtbeaver on Jun 26, 2018 4:48:40 GMT -8
It's their special SEC mark-up. Not taking anything away from OSU as they are a very special team. A good measure of talent is via the draft - this year the PAC12 had about 4.5 kids per team drafted as opposed to about 7.5 per team for the SEC. What that translate into, I'm not sure it's just a fact. Interesting stat: can you please link a source?
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Post by wizardofhogz on Jun 26, 2018 6:04:28 GMT -8
The numbers seem to point one way.
Don't forget this one . . . Strength of Schedule
Hogs #2 (#1 after tonight) OSU #29
Also note that OSU's SOS was probably around#40 before the NCAA Tournament began, which pumped it up. On the other hand, Arkansas' SOS has bounced between #1 and #3 the last month of the regular season, up to this point.
Point being, you've got to take into account the level of competition when comparing stats for teams. That levels these numbers out quite a bit.
Not trash talking - just making a point.
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Post by texasdad on Jun 26, 2018 6:14:28 GMT -8
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Post by rainmanrich on Jun 26, 2018 6:21:16 GMT -8
Some other teams with better SOS than OSU: MSU, NC, LSU, Minn, Stanford
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Post by gobeavs101 on Jun 26, 2018 6:23:10 GMT -8
Regarding SOS, you do realize that Oregon State has to play in Arizona early in the year due to the climate in Oregon, and has to play against similar climate constrained teams in Arizona and can't pad their RPI and SOS due to the limited number of non-conference options due to our geography the remainder of the year? Our local two options are Portland and Oregon non-conference which heavily impacts the SOS numbers. The metrics have always slighted the west coast teams and any college baseball expert will admit that (look at the numbers for Washington, who made the CWS) due to limited options for non-conference scheduling. So yes, SOS does need to be considered but really, who cares at this point? The numbers are the numbers. I'd love to see a graphic of our 4-0 postseason vs. the "mighty" SEC including 3 blowouts.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jun 26, 2018 6:27:32 GMT -8
The only stat that matters is the score at the end of the game.
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Post by tej on Jun 26, 2018 6:29:11 GMT -8
Here is my "head math" regarding draft: Pigs/BEAVS
Well it looks like my head math was slightly off (I used Excel this time - lol!), and of course I rounded up for the SEC...
PAC12 - 49 Drafted, 11 teams - 4.5 per team SEC - 99 Drafted, 14 teams - 7.1 per team
Pigs first round Draft Picks: 0
BEAVS First round draft picks: 3
That may matter a bit over the next few days, but please talk more about the draft and who will be Champions
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Post by texasdad on Jun 26, 2018 6:47:57 GMT -8
I’m not really a SEC fanboy – just an objective baseball fan with a kid that played college ball. Last year I went to every Arkansas game (home and away). This year a good friend’s kid played for Texas and I went to nearly every home game. Being objective, the level of play I saw last year in the SEC was far better than what I saw this year in Austin (yes that includes Stanford – but they hadn’t hit stride yet).
For comparison the Big12 had 5.1 players per game drafted (via excel).
I’d be thrilled if the Pac12 was the 800-pound gorilla – we need more support for baseball in general, but if you’re being objective the SEC is leading the charge in college baseball. That has no reflection on the greatness of individual teams (i.e. Coastal Carolina) but you’re burying your head in the sand if you think talent pools and competition levels are equal across conferences.
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Post by justdamwin on Jun 26, 2018 7:01:25 GMT -8
I’m not really a SEC fanboy – just an objective baseball fan with a kid that played college ball. Last year I went to every Arkansas game (home and away). This year a good friend’s kid played for Texas and I went to nearly every home game. Being objective, the level of play I saw last year in the SEC was far better than what I saw this year in Austin (yes that includes Stanford – but they hadn’t hit stride yet). For comparison the Big12 had 5.1 players per game drafted (via excel). I’d be thrilled if the Pac12 was the 800-pound gorilla – we need more support for baseball in general, but if you’re being objective the SEC is leading the charge in college baseball. That has no reflection on the greatness of individual teams (i.e. Coastal Carolina) but you’re burying your head in the sand if you think talent pools and competition levels are equal across conferences. Yet ( this is off top of my head so correct me where wrong). Of the last 15 national titles four are PAC and five SEC.
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Post by texasdad on Jun 26, 2018 7:24:45 GMT -8
As I said conference has nothing to do with great teams – OSU’s record over the last 2 years may qualify them as one of the greatest. Which is good for Pac12 baseball, which is good for college baseball which is good for baseball in general.
My point which wasn’t well conveyed, is that comparing team stats across conferences isn’t necessarily valid or indicative of outcome.
As to my opinion to outcome… I think it’s a great matchup! I believe that Arkansas hitters have consistently seen better pitching than OSU hitters throughout the season and that may be a slight advantage. I actually think it will come down to an individual or two having a career moment, likely a pitcher. Should be fun to watch!
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