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Post by skyrider on Jun 21, 2018 8:49:56 GMT -8
A question for the many wise Beaver baseball experts-Can the Beavers survive and win the championship if our pitching does not get substantially better for the rest of the World Series?
It seems like our main two starters have not given us very much, can we go the distance without them contributing a lot more?
Who do you believe Pat Casey should start Friday against MSU and why?
When will our freshman right hander be able to be ready again?
Any possible dark horse candidates we have not seen yet who might start a game ?
Right now it seems that we have to score more than 10 runs per game to win!
Go Beavers!
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Post by fumblerooski on Jun 21, 2018 9:34:08 GMT -8
The aces have struggled in the first three games but the bullpen has been pretty solid. Abel, Chamberlain and Mulholland have all been more than serviceable. This team really needs someone (preferably a few guys) to step up in a big way. I don't care if it comes as a dark horse, a la Jorge Reyes, or from the the top in Luke and Bryce but they now need to win 4 more games to win this thing and that's going to be a challenge with the way they're pitching right now.
I say start Bryce on Friday but keep him on a short leash.
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Post by irimi on Jun 21, 2018 11:41:42 GMT -8
Why certainly they can. And they will.
While none of our starters “have given us much,” they haven’t really collapsed either. The loss on Saturday was a team loss, not just Luke. And even then, we were one swing from equalizing the game when Kwan struck out with bases loaded. I honestly doubt that any team left can be dominated by pitching alone.
The darkest horse we have is Gambrell. Will he come back a la Bryce last year and pitch great? Only Nate knows at this point.
I think we’ll see Bryce on Friday, but I don’t pretend to know what Casey thinks. I wouldn’t have believed he would throw Luke at NC again, but he did. I didn’t think he’d put Abel in Monday’s game, but he did. So I’m 0-2 for guessing Casey’s mind.
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Jun 21, 2018 11:47:29 GMT -8
Why certainly they can. And they will. While none of our starters “have given us much,” they haven’t really collapsed either. The loss on Saturday was a team loss, not just Luke. And even then, we were one swing from equalizing the game when Kwan struck out with bases loaded. I honestly doubt that any team left can be dominated by pitching alone. The darkest horse we have is Gambrell. Will he come back a la Bryce last year and pitch great? Only Nate knows at this point. I think we’ll see Bryce on Friday, but I don’t pretend to know what Casey thinks. I wouldn’t have believed he would throw Luke at NC again, but he did. I didn’t think he’d put Abel in Monday’s game, but he did. So I’m 0-2 for guessing Casey’s mind. I'd bet almost anything Fehmel is the guy on Friday. He's our SEC killer. Need to slam the door on them, crush their spirit, and overall just completely break their bananas (see what I did there? early. Also, if he starts on Friday, he can come back for a potential game 2 in the championship series, whereas if Casey waits until Saturday to throw him, he won't be guaranteed a start in the finals.
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Post by sagebrush on Jun 21, 2018 12:05:34 GMT -8
Two rules:
Play like there is no tomorrow because if you don't, there is no tomorrow.
The other is worry about today, today. Worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.
Go with your best. That is why Luke was the right choice yesterday.
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Post by justdamwin on Jun 21, 2018 12:12:55 GMT -8
Eisert is rested Fehmel and Abel are available May see Britton, Burns and Donovan in situational
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Post by joecool on Jun 21, 2018 12:16:25 GMT -8
Two rules: Play like there is no tomorrow because if you don't, there is no tomorrow. The other is worry about today, today. Worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. Go with your best. That is why Luke was the right choice yesterday. I'm sorry but I disagree that Luke was the right choice yesterday. I know he didn't throw as much as usual in Game 1, but he was on short rest against a team that had just faced him.
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Post by jimbeav on Jun 21, 2018 12:31:03 GMT -8
I didn't think starting Luke yesterday gave us our best chance to win that game, but it probably gave us our best chance to win it all because then he'll be available for either of the first two games of the championship series.
Likewise, I don't think Fehmel gives us our best chance to win Friday (I don't think either Luke or Bryce are nearly as effective on short rest). However, again, if you play him Friday then he should at least be able to start on 4 days rest in a championship game 3.
Aw heck, let's break it down. Here's coach JimBeav's pitching gameplan under 2 scenarios:
If Bryce starts on Friday:
Friday: Fehmel (3 days rest after pitching 1/2 game) Saturday: Abel (4 days rest after pitching 1/2 gave)
Monday: Chamberlain (4 days rest after pitching 3 innings) Tuesday: Heimlich (5 days rest after pitching 3 innings) Wednesday: Fehmel (4 days rest) + Abel (3 days rest) + Johnny wholestaff
If Bryce doesn't start Friday:
Friday: Abel (3 days rest after pitching 1/2 game) Saturday: Fehmel (4 days rest after pitching 1/2 game)
Monday: Chamberlain (4 days rest after pitching 3 innings) Tuesday: Heimlich (5 days rest after pitching 3 innings) Wednesday: Abel (4 days rest) + Fehmel (3 days rest) + Johnny Wholestaff
I suspect our coaches would probably start Heimlich in a game 1 championship series, but I wonder if our best strategy to win it all is try our luck in game 1 with the freshman, and trust in a rested Luke to force a game 3 if it doesn't work out (basically do what many of our opponents did in weekend series this year and cede game 1 to shoot for games 2 and 3 with Luke and Bryce). Luke has shown that he's just not the same on short rest.
(And yeah yeah, I know, win Friday or nothing else matters, but it's fun as fans to speculate and plan. And besides, our success in this CWS doesn't depend so much on pitching, but on our bats staying hot. If they cool down, we're probably in trouble no matter who's on the bump for us).
GO BEAVS!
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Post by 56chevy on Jun 21, 2018 12:44:28 GMT -8
Yes, we can win. Lots of solid work in the last month from the mound.
Luke, Bryce, K Able, Brandon, C Chamberlain, and Jake. If you assume that Luke is not pitching this weekend, the other five need to give us 18 innings collectively. Would not be at all surprised to see them get it done. Both Jake and Abel look very confident out there right now.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 21, 2018 12:48:37 GMT -8
we are who we are right now. We may "pop off" a great pitching performance, but we score 7 or more or we don't win. this team is all about bats here in Omaha. Miss St has the pitching advantage being 2-0, but doesn't mean they'll perform well enough to shut the bats down for 9 innings. Keep it close (prefer 2 runs or less... but), get their starter out of the game...
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Post by vhalum92 on Jun 21, 2018 12:49:58 GMT -8
The upside to starting Luke on Wed is that he can be mostly rested for the Final Series, game #1.
Yes, we have to get there. Yes, this pitching staff has the talent to get us there, but they are going to have to collectively pitch to there ability/or beyond. In each year we won it all, someone emerged and took more innings than usual pitching a career best type performance. That is what we need to get over the hump of the losers bracket and Win the championship.
This offense is amazing... but safe to say now that we are in the final 4 we can't count on scoring 10+ runs in every game. Every win puts you in a game playing better or at least "hotter" competition. That is what makes this tournament format so special.
Go Beavs!
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Post by abureid on Jun 21, 2018 13:01:43 GMT -8
Does Eisert get a look as a starter? I think Gambrell could be an inning eater. Both have good stuff and do not depend on a consistent strike zone.
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 21, 2018 13:13:41 GMT -8
The upside to starting Luke on Wed is that he can be mostly rested for the Final Series, game #1. Yes, we have to get there. Yes, this pitching staff has the talent to get us there, but they are going to have to collectively pitch to there ability/or beyond. In each year we won it all, someone emerged and took more innings than usual pitching a career best type performance. That is what we need to get over the hump of the losers bracket and Win the championship. This offense is amazing... but safe to say now that we are in the final 4 we can't count on scoring 10+ runs in every game. Every win puts you in a game playing better or at least "hotter" competition. That is what makes this tournament format so special. Go Beavs! The offense IS amazing, but they are prone to having an off day every now and again - just see the game 3s vs USC and UCLA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 13:34:15 GMT -8
The aces have struggled in the first three games but the bullpen has been pretty solid. Abel, Chamberlain and Mulholland have all been more than serviceable. This team really needs someone (preferably a few guys) to step up in a big way. I don't care if it comes as a dark horse, a la Jorge Reyes, or from the the top in Luke and Bryce but they now need to win 4 more games to win this thing and that's going to be a challenge with the way they're pitching right now. I say start Bryce on Friday but keep him on a short leash. Is the whole notion of needing many or more good relievers than the opposition really just a fallacy? Especially when you are going to bring back your ace in a game or two anyway (and if he is not eating up most of the innings you are probably losing). If you are changing out spent fuel rods every few innings maybe that means something is wrong? So far, even with the starters not getting too far OS is doing fine with a pretty tight crew.
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Post by 56chevy on Jun 21, 2018 13:41:52 GMT -8
Does Eisert get a look as a starter? I think Gambrell could be an inning eater. Both have good stuff and do not depend on a consistent strike zone. Has Gambrell appeared in a game in the last six weeks?
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