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Reid
Feb 26, 2016 21:41:58 GMT -8
Post by jdogge on Feb 26, 2016 21:41:58 GMT -8
So multiply it by 1.33 to help you win an argument? Hahaha. Look, Reid was averaging 9.0 PPG after Nevada and Kansas. Since then, he hasn't done much possibly because he hasn't contributed what WT expects him to. But you keep mutating stats so you won't have to admit you're wrong. Good luck with that. Now come on. Comparing by minutes played is much more fair. If Baseball really wanted to dig into it he could have gone after production in games they both played. A lot of Drew's positive stats occurred in preseason. Comparing stats by opponents they both played against, same game, by minutes actually played, would remove the argument Drew feasted on lesser competition, it would also likely reduce your argument. Let me give you an example of why comparing minutes played doesn't work. At the end of last baseball season, Jarrett Parker of the SF Giants hit six homers in 49 at-bats to end the season. Buster Posey had roughly eleven times the ABs that Parker did. So, extrapolating as baseball1111 did, if Parker had the same number of ABs -- 550 --- he would have hit 66 homers (6 X 11). Therefore, he is much more valuable to SF than Posey who hit only 19 HRs. This is why basketball doesn't rely on these types of extrapolations. They are meaningless because they are based on the assumption that, regardless of the amount of time played -- performance will hold constant. It doesn't. What bb1111 did was, as he usually does, lay out some BS argument and when called on it -- rather than walk back from it -- doubles down with some bizarre calculation that no one uses.
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Reid
Feb 26, 2016 21:50:27 GMT -8
Post by jdogge on Feb 26, 2016 21:50:27 GMT -8
I completely agree with Baseball (never thought i'd say that.) He is who he is, and does contribute to THIS team. Why all the intense bashing. Coach Tinkle feels he brings more than most of you posting here. He needs to play well for the NCAA dream to happen. Appreciate his efforts, this team has some serious flaws but this has been a very enjoyable season over past. The games were unwatchable under JJ and the the years under Robinson were painful; so much promise/talent no progression. At the end of the day OSU asked Reid to come here. "Coach Tinkle feels he brings more than most of you posting here." Agreed. I have no beef with that. I often feel that most of these kids are judged much too harshly. My beef was with BB1111 getting in other posters faces for doing what he does all to often. In fact, held accountable for his opinions, he has just as frequently responded with the "this is an open forum ... you don't have to read it ..." yada yada yada. NCAA, NIT this year ... I don't care. GO BEAVS!!
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Reid
Feb 26, 2016 23:44:27 GMT -8
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Post by goline on Feb 26, 2016 23:44:27 GMT -8
we must be watching different games. the only time i have seen him get steals is if someone else deflects one and it ends up in his hands. he may clog up the middle a tiny bit, but he doesnt rotate out when needed. he's a turn over machine, gets his shots blocked constantly, and really is barely there defensively. The Reid bashing is kinda getting old. He, like the rest of our players have multiple deficiencies. Jarmal has not cost us a single game with his play. We've lost and won them as a TEAM. It's your right to have any opinion, but enough is enough... not directed at just this particular post. Move on and support a player we need to achieve a goal that has been long in coming. And... if you actually pay attention his stats are extremely similar to Drew's... in 5 less league games, and in 33% less playing time he is actually better than Drew in several areas. Jarmal is a part of this team, and WT is playing who he thinks give this TEAM the best shot to be successful and Jarmal is one of those options. I think WT has a little better handle on the situation than some of you do. Bash away... but, it says immensely more about you than Jarmal. He is a part of this team, he is a BEAVER thru and thru and has gone thru a lot. He seems like a genuinely good kid. I admit, I'm not a supporter of Reid getting playing time. That being said I have no issues with him as a human being, have never questioned his integrity as a man, and I appreciate that he chose to be a beaver. I wasn't aware that discussing a players abilities on a fan message board wasn't allowed unless it was positive, and how that speaks "immensely more about me" is really absurd. You know nothing about me. What makes you any different whatsoever with ridiculous statements like that about other posters?
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Reid
Feb 27, 2016 10:35:14 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 27, 2016 10:35:14 GMT -8
The Reid bashing is kinda getting old. He, like the rest of our players have multiple deficiencies. Jarmal has not cost us a single game with his play. We've lost and won them as a TEAM. It's your right to have any opinion, but enough is enough... not directed at just this particular post. Move on and support a player we need to achieve a goal that has been long in coming. And... if you actually pay attention his stats are extremely similar to Drew's... in 5 less league games, and in 33% less playing time he is actually better than Drew in several areas. Jarmal is a part of this team, and WT is playing who he thinks give this TEAM the best shot to be successful and Jarmal is one of those options. I think WT has a little better handle on the situation than some of you do. Bash away... but, it says immensely more about you than Jarmal. He is a part of this team, he is a BEAVER thru and thru and has gone thru a lot. He seems like a genuinely good kid. I admit, I'm not a supporter of Reid getting playing time. That being said I have no issues with him as a human being, have never questioned his integrity as a man, and I appreciate that he chose to be a beaver. I wasn't aware that discussing a players abilities on a fan message board wasn't allowed unless it was positive, and how that speaks "immensely more about me" is really absurd. You know nothing about me. What makes you any different whatsoever with ridiculous statements like that about other posters? Before you go further there were many comments made about Jarmal that related to more than his abilities... namely, single handedly costing us games. For example, the Utah game was well on its way to a loss before the infamous trip. Trip incident or not Jamal HAS contributed. And he is no more an issue in losses than any other player. The talk went well beyond his stat line. So ya, bashing a kid anonymously online for not deserving to be on the court or losing games does say more about the poster. If that shoe fits you particularly then wear it. If not ignore it. As for what makes me different... ah well, I'm me, other posters are them! But, I've never stated I'm a better poster, nor you can't have your opinions, nor a poster does not deserve to post here or be kicked off the site. I'll wear my mistakes, and I've spouted about a players skill level... Trespass needing to get an off hand... Stevie needing strength and a little less "mustard on the dog" when he finishes... Drew not yet having the elite skills as some posted (Myers Leonard/1st round type)... but never attacked their integrity to be on the court and costing us wins. So I simply see no reason to bash one of our own in this manner yet say you support the team and want them to go dancing. Agree on that level? Then we're on the same page. If you didn't read posts going over the line then were not. We'll agree to disagree.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 27, 2016 14:36:29 GMT -8
For example, the Utah game was well on its way to a loss before the infamous trip. No, it wasn't. And it changed the momentum toward Utah's way, considerably. It was still anyone's game up until that point. It was anyone's game because we had lost an 11 PT halftime lead by that point,were getting killed inside, and homered by the refs. The tide had turned and we were already hanging on for dear life. His actions were stupid and part of the inability to overcome, but in now way turned any tide. The 1st and 2nd halves were night and day. Like many of our games.
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Reid
Feb 27, 2016 21:33:13 GMT -8
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2016 21:33:13 GMT -8
Yeah we WERE getting killed inside in the 2nd half... when Reid was foolishly put in to play center.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 22:12:46 GMT -8
The games were unwatchable under JJ and the the years under Robinson were painful; so much promise/talent no progression. At the end of the day OSU asked Reid to come here. Reid, Schaftenaar are what they are - Robinson recruits. We went through the growing pains of Robinson coaching JJ's guys, and how some of them were divisive in the locker room. I'm not a fan of Reid, but at least he's not a locker room cancer. But he and Schaft are Robinson guys who don't fit in with the athletes Tinkle are recruiting.
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 27, 2016 22:29:02 GMT -8
A lot of selective memory on that Utah game.
Yes, OSU was getting killed on the inside, with a potential top-10 draft pick working working over anybody we put on him late in the game. Momentum had long swung Utah's way when Reid finally stopped Poeltl by stripping him and getting a clean steal, only to be undercut by Poeltl with no call. Eubanks had been struggling at both ends and WT sat him the majority of the game - he looked like he was beat mentally to me, and I'm thinking WT saw that as well. WT went to Gomis who promptly got 3 fouls in 6 minutes, and even tried N.Diaye over 12 minimally productive minutes. All of them were ineffective and getting pushed around badly. To Jarmal's credit, he didn't get pushed around, actually got 5 boards in 18 minutes (1 less than Gomis, Eubanks and N'Diaye combined for in 34 minutes), and frankly was WT's last hope to slow Utah's interior freight train. He very likely wasn't going to regardless of the T, and there wasn't another answer on the OSU bench - they had all been tried.
Utah scored exactly one point off of Jarmal's T - made 1-2 FT on the technical, then missed the front end of a subsequent 1-1. 1 point didn't cost the the game. Unless, you mean they missed his presence so much, that the T fouling him out is what cost them the game?
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Reid
Feb 27, 2016 23:16:19 GMT -8
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2016 23:16:19 GMT -8
Some good points. But I honestly thought N'Diaye was terrific vs Utah and I remember they made a run on us right when he came out. His defense was much better than anyone else's. Not just Reid's.
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