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Reid
Feb 25, 2016 7:41:25 GMT -8
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 25, 2016 7:41:25 GMT -8
As a side note, Cameron Oliver, the guy who committed to Craig Robinson but then ended up at Nevada is listed at 6'8 and 225#. He is averaging 8.6 rpg and against UNLV had 21 boards and 14 pts. I know the competition is down a little in the MountainWest, but holy cow. I don't know any of the details regarding why he never attended here, but we could use a guy like that. Yep, this continues to make me sick. I don't know if WT ever had any chance to retain Oliver (the timeline suggests he had a few weeks) but he would have covered a lot of flaws on this team. I mourned losing Cooke, but this was the much bigger loss in the end. Additionally, not closing Boucher piles on here. Either of these guys on this team we aren't talking about playing time that either of these guys get, let alone the likelihood of a few more wins. And it piles on more with the Kone being the recruit most likely to fill this gap is now rehabbing his ACL.
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Reid
Feb 25, 2016 11:59:18 GMT -8
Post by atownbeaver on Feb 25, 2016 11:59:18 GMT -8
As a side note, Cameron Oliver, the guy who committed to Craig Robinson but then ended up at Nevada is listed at 6'8 and 225#. He is averaging 8.6 rpg and against UNLV had 21 boards and 14 pts. I know the competition is down a little in the MountainWest, but holy cow. I don't know any of the details regarding why he never attended here, but we could use a guy like that. Yep, this continues to make me sick. I don't know if WT ever had any chance to retain Oliver (the timeline suggests he had a few weeks) but he would have covered a lot of flaws on this team. I mourned losing Cooke, but this was the much bigger loss in the end. Additionally, not closing Boucher piles on here. Either of these guys on this team we aren't talking about playing time that either of these guys get, let alone the likelihood of a few more wins. And it piles on more with the Kone being the recruit most likely to fill this gap is now rehabbing his ACL. rehabbing an ACL sucks. but He is going to have a full year to do it. Kone can be 100% by next season. We do need some bigs in a bad way. I think Tinkle will get them though. We are going to have a pretty darn solid core returning with Tinkle, STj and Eubanks. I think Bruce will season up quite a bit and Big G will develop a bit... I feel pretty good moving forward. The way Thompson has been coming on gives me hope that with GPII is gone, the fall off won't kill us. But yeah we need to step up our paint game... both sides. offensively and defensively.
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Post by matt90 on Feb 26, 2016 9:46:26 GMT -8
I think what JR brings to the table is very easy to see. He can actually play low-post defense, unlike our boy Drew who finds himself up in the air as soon as an entry pass is made (seemingly before the offensive player even makes a fake). JR has been able to get quite a few steals from the low post position. He is slow, as noted, so teams will move away from post play when he comes in. Also, as soon as he came in the game there were 2-3 huskies on their arses in the paint - that is another thing he brings. We all saw the chippy crap coming from the husky front line aimed at Drew (personally I think he gives as well as he takes in this regard), but that always seems to stop when JR is in the game. He does not stand for it and is more than happy to take a couple of fouls in order to express his displeasure. Then out he goes, and when things start to get rambunctious, back he comes - bows and hips flying.
He does not get a ton of boards, but we have Payton who is more than happy to scoop up those. JR is a space eater, but too slow to reap the benefits himself.
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Reid
Feb 26, 2016 11:46:29 GMT -8
Post by goline on Feb 26, 2016 11:46:29 GMT -8
I think what JR brings to the table is very easy to see. He can actually play low-post defense, unlike our boy Drew who finds himself up in the air as soon as an entry pass is made (seemingly before the offensive player even makes a fake). JR has been able to get quite a few steals from the low post position. He is slow, as noted, so teams will move away from post play when he comes in. Also, as soon as he came in the game there were 2-3 huskies on their arses in the paint - that is another thing he brings. We all saw the chippy crap coming from the husky front line aimed at Drew (personally I think he gives as well as he takes in this regard), but that always seems to stop when JR is in the game. He does not stand for it and is more than happy to take a couple of fouls in order to express his displeasure. Then out he goes, and when things start to get rambunctious, back he comes - bows and hips flying. He does not get a ton of boards, but we have Payton who is more than happy to scoop up those. JR is a space eater, but too slow to reap the benefits himself. we must be watching different games. the only time i have seen him get steals is if someone else deflects one and it ends up in his hands. he may clog up the middle a tiny bit, but he doesnt rotate out when needed. he's a turn over machine, gets his shots blocked constantly, and really is barely there defensively.
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Reid
Feb 26, 2016 12:05:19 GMT -8
Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 26, 2016 12:05:19 GMT -8
Reid is slow footed and not good at anticipating anything on D. He doesn't get many rebounds for those same reasons. There's a reason he gets so many fouls per minute. Although I definitely think he was getting the royal screwgie in Utah before his mind numbing stupid trip incident. He's tough and he hustles.....but he's just not very good. He's almost useless against guys taller than him and he's always late getting to the three point shooters when we're in zone.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 26, 2016 12:14:37 GMT -8
I think what JR brings to the table is very easy to see. He can actually play low-post defense, unlike our boy Drew who finds himself up in the air as soon as an entry pass is made (seemingly before the offensive player even makes a fake). JR has been able to get quite a few steals from the low post position. He is slow, as noted, so teams will move away from post play when he comes in. Also, as soon as he came in the game there were 2-3 huskies on their arses in the paint - that is another thing he brings. We all saw the chippy crap coming from the husky front line aimed at Drew (personally I think he gives as well as he takes in this regard), but that always seems to stop when JR is in the game. He does not stand for it and is more than happy to take a couple of fouls in order to express his displeasure. Then out he goes, and when things start to get rambunctious, back he comes - bows and hips flying. He does not get a ton of boards, but we have Payton who is more than happy to scoop up those. JR is a space eater, but too slow to reap the benefits himself. we must be watching different games. the only time i have seen him get steals is if someone else deflects one and it ends up in his hands. he may clog up the middle a tiny bit, but he doesnt rotate out when needed. he's a turn over machine, gets his shots blocked constantly, and really is barely there defensively. The Reid bashing is kinda getting old. He, like the rest of our players have multiple deficiencies. Jarmal has not cost us a single game with his play. We've lost and won them as a TEAM. It's your right to have any opinion, but enough is enough... not directed at just this particular post. Move on and support a player we need to achieve a goal that has been long in coming. And... if you actually pay attention his stats are extremely similar to Drew's... in 5 less league games, and in 33% less playing time he is actually better than Drew in several areas. Jarmal is a part of this team, and WT is playing who he thinks give this TEAM the best shot to be successful and Jarmal is one of those options. I think WT has a little better handle on the situation than some of you do. Bash away... but, it says immensely more about you than Jarmal. He is a part of this team, he is a BEAVER thru and thru and has gone thru a lot. He seems like a genuinely good kid.
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 26, 2016 13:29:25 GMT -8
If the postgame, WT praised Jarmal's play in particular at one point. I have my own questions, but the evidence that I'm not very smart on this issue is strong. Specifically:
A) Coach Tinkle has been at OSU 2 years, and has 2 winning seasons.
B) Coach Tinkle is deciding Reid is our best option at times.
C) During Reid's suspension, OSU went 1-3, with win a home win over USC and losses to UCLA at home, and losses at ASU and UA on the road. The UCLA and ASU losses were particularly bad losses. Upon Jarmal's return, we win 3 straight over quality teams. Coincidence or causal? Probably some of both, but they clearly aren't worse-off when having him available.
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Reid
Feb 26, 2016 13:31:18 GMT -8
Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 26, 2016 13:31:18 GMT -8
LOL...you were doing good until you said he's doing better than Drew in several areas. If you could find a FEW where he's clearly better than Drew, that's one thing. Also, he really did cost us the Utah game w/ that stupid tripping thing. (Yes, the refs cost us too, but c'mon). Also, he dang near cost us the OTHER Utah game too w/ that foul at the end. He is less annoying on D & rebounding than Olaf....I'll give him that. I think his effort is great. But he just can't move his feet enough to get in the right place most of the time, nor can he jump well enough to hold his own against bigger dudes.
EDIT- I looked up some numbers to see what he's really done this year.
We're 9-6 in games he's played in 222 minutes 29 rebounds 22 turnovers 2 blocks 4.0 points a game 36% FG 64% FT
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Reid
Feb 26, 2016 13:50:51 GMT -8
Post by jdogge on Feb 26, 2016 13:50:51 GMT -8
we must be watching different games. the only time i have seen him get steals is if someone else deflects one and it ends up in his hands. he may clog up the middle a tiny bit, but he doesnt rotate out when needed. he's a turn over machine, gets his shots blocked constantly, and really is barely there defensively. The Reid bashing is kinda getting old. He, like the rest of our players have multiple deficiencies. Jarmal has not cost us a single game with his play. We've lost and won them as a TEAM. It's your right to have any opinion, but enough is enough... not directed at just this particular post. Move on and support a player we need to achieve a goal that has been long in coming. And... if you actually pay attention his stats are extremely similar to Drew's... in 5 less league games, and in 33% less playing time he is actually better than Drew in several areas. Jarmal is a part of this team, and WT is playing who he thinks give this TEAM the best shot to be successful and Jarmal is one of those options. I think WT has a little better handle on the situation than some of you do. Bash away... but, it says immensely more about you than Jarmal. He is a part of this team, he is a BEAVER thru and thru and has gone thru a lot. He seems like a genuinely good kid. But to quote your many postings in this forum --- it's public and people have a right to post their opinions. If you don't like them, don't read them. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to respond. And, no, their performance to date is not similar: (Drew/Reid: Points 7.6/4.0; RPG 4.3/1.9; BPG 1.2/.1; FG% .593/.365; 3-pt% identical; FT% .608/.647; TPG 1.3/1.5; APG .4/.7; SPG .4/.7; MPG 21.3/14.8). Looks to me that Drew has a statistical advantage. I'm sure he's a great kid. So is my 8 year old granddaughter. Doesn't mean I want her suiting up.
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Reid
Feb 26, 2016 14:26:11 GMT -8
Post by baseba1111 on Feb 26, 2016 14:26:11 GMT -8
The Reid bashing is kinda getting old. He, like the rest of our players have multiple deficiencies. Jarmal has not cost us a single game with his play. We've lost and won them as a TEAM. It's your right to have any opinion, but enough is enough... not directed at just this particular post. Move on and support a player we need to achieve a goal that has been long in coming. And... if you actually pay attention his stats are extremely similar to Drew's... in 5 less league games, and in 33% less playing time he is actually better than Drew in several areas. Jarmal is a part of this team, and WT is playing who he thinks give this TEAM the best shot to be successful and Jarmal is one of those options. I think WT has a little better handle on the situation than some of you do. Bash away... but, it says immensely more about you than Jarmal. He is a part of this team, he is a BEAVER thru and thru and has gone thru a lot. He seems like a genuinely good kid. But to quote your many postings in this forum --- it's public and people have a right to post their opinions. If you don't like them, don't read them. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to respond. And, no, their performance to date is not similar: (Drew/Reid: Points 7.6/4.0; RPG 4.3/1.9; BPG 1.2/.1; FG% .593/.365; 3-pt% identical; FT% .608/.647; TPG 1.3/1.5; APG .4/.7; SPG .4/.7; MPG 21.3/14.8). Looks to me that Drew has a statistical advantage. I'm sure he's a great kid. So is my 8 year old granddaughter. Doesn't mean I want her suiting up. As always you typical misquote or just misunderstand... I believe I mentioned people have a right to bash??? Skip some words there? BUT really? Great analogy with the granddaughter... so you kinda lost it right there! But, to help you get a clearer picture. Multiply stats by 1.33 The difference in minutes played per game... 7.6 vs 5.33 (D) 4.0 vs. 2.7 (D) 1.2 vs. 0.13 (D) FG % (D) FT % (J) 0.4 vs 1.0 (J) 0.4 vs 1.0 (J) Fouls 73 vs 56 (J) Assist/TO 0.5 vs 0.7 (J) Is there a negligible difference? You can make any point you'd like with stats. AND... like I said they ALL have multiple deficiencies... and as said bash away... but, it has been clear your focus. He's a great kid, I'll pick Jarmal... over the questionable adult every time!
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 26, 2016 15:17:20 GMT -8
Reid is slow footed and not good at anticipating anything on D. He doesn't get many rebounds for those same reasons. There's a reason he gets so many fouls per minute. Although I definitely think he was getting the royal screwgie in Utah before his mind numbing stupid trip incident. He's tough and he hustles.....but he's just not very good. He's almost useless against guys taller than him and he's always late getting to the three point shooters when we're in zone. One PAC-12 ref disagrees with you on the foot speed.
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Reid
Feb 26, 2016 15:24:11 GMT -8
Post by jdogge on Feb 26, 2016 15:24:11 GMT -8
But to quote your many postings in this forum --- it's public and people have a right to post their opinions. If you don't like them, don't read them. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to respond. And, no, their performance to date is not similar: (Drew/Reid: Points 7.6/4.0; RPG 4.3/1.9; BPG 1.2/.1; FG% .593/.365; 3-pt% identical; FT% .608/.647; TPG 1.3/1.5; APG .4/.7; SPG .4/.7; MPG 21.3/14.8). Looks to me that Drew has a statistical advantage. I'm sure he's a great kid. So is my 8 year old granddaughter. Doesn't mean I want her suiting up. As always you typical misquote or just misunderstand... I believe I mentioned people have a right to bash??? Skip some words there? BUT really? Great analogy with the granddaughter... so you kinda lost it right there! But, to help you get a clearer picture. Multiply stats by 1.33 The difference in minutes played per game... 7.6 vs 5.33 (D) 4.0 vs. 2.7 (D) 1.2 vs. 0.13 (D) FG % (D) FT % (J) 0.4 vs 1.0 (J) 0.4 vs 1.0 (J) Fouls 73 vs 56 (J) Assist/TO 0.5 vs 0.7 (J) Is there a negligible difference? You can make any point you'd like with stats. AND... like I said they ALL have multiple deficiencies... and as said bash away... but, it has been clear your focus. He's a great kid, I'll pick Jarmal... over the questionable adult every time! So multiply it by 1.33 to help you win an argument? Hahaha. Look, Reid was averaging 9.0 PPG after Nevada and Kansas. Since then, he hasn't done much possibly because he hasn't contributed what WT expects him to. But you keep mutating stats so you won't have to admit you're wrong. Good luck with that.
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Reid
Feb 26, 2016 17:56:06 GMT -8
Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 26, 2016 17:56:06 GMT -8
Reid is slow footed and not good at anticipating anything on D. He doesn't get many rebounds for those same reasons. There's a reason he gets so many fouls per minute. Although I definitely think he was getting the royal screwgie in Utah before his mind numbing stupid trip incident. He's tough and he hustles.....but he's just not very good. He's almost useless against guys taller than him and he's always late getting to the three point shooters when we're in zone. One PAC-12 ref disagrees with you on the foot speed. That....was.....AWESOME lol
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 26, 2016 18:54:13 GMT -8
As always you typical misquote or just misunderstand... I believe I mentioned people have a right to bash??? Skip some words there? BUT really? Great analogy with the granddaughter... so you kinda lost it right there! But, to help you get a clearer picture. Multiply stats by 1.33 The difference in minutes played per game... 7.6 vs 5.33 (D) 4.0 vs. 2.7 (D) 1.2 vs. 0.13 (D) FG % (D) FT % (J) 0.4 vs 1.0 (J) 0.4 vs 1.0 (J) Fouls 73 vs 56 (J) Assist/TO 0.5 vs 0.7 (J) Is there a negligible difference? You can make any point you'd like with stats. AND... like I said they ALL have multiple deficiencies... and as said bash away... but, it has been clear your focus. He's a great kid, I'll pick Jarmal... over the questionable adult every time! So multiply it by 1.33 to help you win an argument? Hahaha. Look, Reid was averaging 9.0 PPG after Nevada and Kansas. Since then, he hasn't done much possibly because he hasn't contributed what WT expects him to. But you keep mutating stats so you won't have to admit you're wrong. Good luck with that. Now come on. Comparing by minutes played is much more fair. If Baseball really wanted to dig into it he could have gone after production in games they both played. A lot of Drew's positive stats occurred in preseason. Comparing stats by opponents they both played against, same game, by minutes actually played, would remove the argument Drew feasted on lesser competition, it would also likely reduce your argument.
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Post by jbjam on Feb 26, 2016 19:28:33 GMT -8
I completely agree with Baseball (never thought i'd say that.) He is who he is, and does contribute to THIS team. Why all the intense bashing. Coach Tinkle feels he brings more than most of you posting here. He needs to play well for the NCAA dream to happen. Appreciate his efforts, this team has some serious flaws but this has been a very enjoyable season over past. The games were unwatchable under JJ and the the years under Robinson were painful; so much promise/talent no progression. At the end of the day OSU asked Reid to come here.
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