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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 3:46:29 GMT -8
zonazealots.com/2018/05/31/arizona-basketball-does-arizona-keep-its-west-coast-throne/No. 10 Oregon State: Coach Wayne Tinkle is slowly putting together a solid program up in Corvallis. While the Beavers may not have had a successful season by win/loss column or conference standings, they finished at .500 which isn’t ideal, but its progress. What hurts Tinkle’s team is the sudden departure of stud forward Drew Eubanks to the NBA. Had he returned, OSU’s starting five is good enough to compete with any in the country and would make the Beavers a legitimate Tournament-caliber squad. Their post depth takes a blow with the graduations of Cheikh Ndiaye and Seth Berger. Guard Ronnie Stacy also graduates, while depth players JaQuori McLaughlin and Kendal Manuel join the transfer wire. OSU will still be a solid, competitive team as leading scorers Tres Tinkle, Stephen Thompson Jr., and Ethan Thompson all return. Their recruiting class isn’t one that will wow fans, but Coach Tinkle has had some recruiting success. For now, the Beavers stand as the best of the lowest tier. Best Guess at a starting lineup is PG-Ethan Thompson SO, SG-Stephen Thompson Jr. SR, SF-Alfred Hollins SO, F/PF-Tres Tinkle JR, Jack Wilson (3-star) FR.
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Post by bill82 on Jun 1, 2018 4:05:20 GMT -8
DE returns and we compete against anyone in the country? That is when I knew I was reading gibberish. I got past the "slowly putting together a solid program" by thinking in geologic time.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 1, 2018 6:12:20 GMT -8
For those who haven't been paying attention, Tinkle put together a pretty competitive team last year.
UCLA - 4 losses by 10 points or more Oregon - 5 losses by 10 points or more Stanford - 6 losses by 10 points or more USC - 6 losses by 10 points or more Washington - 6 losses by 10 points or more Utah - 9 losses by 10 points or more Colorado - 10 losses by 10 points or more Washington State - 11 losses by 10 points or more California - 19 losses by 10 points or more
Oregon State - 3 losses by 10 points or more. Worst loss was by 13, nobody blew them out.
Now in my opinion, Stanford played a heckuva tough schedule and several losses were to really good teams, but Oregon State was very competitive, even in the Pac 12.
The team is improving, competing against anyone in the country is a stretch, but the situation is not as dire as some seem to make it out to be. Drew is a pretty big loss, but if either of our new point guards work out or any of our incoming big guys can effectively spell Big G we should be no worse off than last year, and quite possibly better. How that translates into wins it's hard to say, but my guess is there should be more wins this year than last.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jun 1, 2018 7:04:01 GMT -8
While I will admit to a heavy diet of orange kool-aid, I can certainly see a path to an improved season this year over last. If Big G can stay healthy and between the three incoming bigs we can find some minutes and rebounds, I think the team can be as good as next year. The improvement will come if the three sophomores can show improvement and consistency. I'm really not expecting much from the two freshmen guards this year, but if they can provide some relief minutes then even better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 8:57:22 GMT -8
While I will admit to a heavy diet of orange kool-aid, I can certainly see a path to an improved season this year over last. If Big G can stay healthy and between the three incoming bigs we can find some minutes and rebounds, I think the team can be as good as next year. The improvement will come if the three sophomores can show improvement and consistency. I'm really not expecting much from the two freshmen guards this year, but if they can provide some relief minutes then even better. All the new bigs have superior athleticism compared to Gligorije, and Campbell gives us an uber-athletic guard who can drive the lane as well as any of the top guards in the league. I see no reason why we shouldn't expect a lot of them by the time the Pac-12 season rolls around, after they've learned the schemes and adjusted to the speed of Pac-12 play. So 10th in the Pac-12 seems to be absurdly underestimating this team's potential. Yeah, there's a learning curve, but by January a couple of these guys could be starters. IMO (and my dreams) anyway. NBC sports also picks us 10th, however, so I guess I'm wrong: 10. Oregon State: The Beavers had the appearance of a possible sleeper heading into last season but things did not work out that way, as the lack of a clear answer at the point had an impact on their effectiveness. Losing Drew Eubanks in the post hurts, but with Tres Tinkle and the Thompson brothers back there’s talent at the other spots. The question, once again, is the point. Can either incoming freshman, Jordan Campbell or Antoine Vernon, step forward and be the answer? That will be the key for Wayne Tinkle’s squad. collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/06/01/pac-12-conference-reset-can-the-league-rebound-from-a-bad-2017-18/
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 1, 2018 11:30:15 GMT -8
All the speculation is great, and all we have for now. But, while being picked 10th is not finishing 10th, OSU certainly is not showing any growth in comparison to other Pac12 programs. To the basketball "experts" that prognostication is OSU going backwards.
And, really... "competitive" "recruits" "building"... means squat until the wins and appearance in upper half(?) of the Pac12 happens... more than the, what appears to be, flash in the pan tourney appearance.
The Jimmy and Joes are irrelevant at this point until this staff exhibits some consistent offensive philosophy that is taught and it is executed.
At this point in his tenure WT's program being picked 10th is the true indicator of what really matters. OSU basketball is NOT on the rise and this season is a make or break one as the next "exodus" is even more major!
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Post by ee1990 on Jun 4, 2018 21:09:32 GMT -8
We were 7th his first year, then 6th, 12th and 10th last year. Where would the program be if the 3 best players on the team weren't coaches sons? I think that is extremely damning.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 5, 2018 2:21:16 GMT -8
We were 7th his first year, then 6th, 12th and 10th last year. Where would the program be if the 3 best players on the team weren't coaches sons? I think that is extremely damning. Where would we have been the last couple years if we had actually had some experienced upper class men left over from the previous coaching staff? I think that’s extremely damning. People tend to forget Robinson got fired near the end of the school year, not the end of the season, and left Tinkle without a recruiting class... which followed a recruiting class from the previous year that didn’t pan out.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 5, 2018 7:27:18 GMT -8
We were 7th his first year, then 6th, 12th and 10th last year. Where would the program be if the 3 best players on the team weren't coaches sons? I think that is extremely damning. We'd have 3 other best players? Its only damning if you are an idiot.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 5, 2018 7:30:48 GMT -8
We were 7th his first year, then 6th, 12th and 10th last year. Where would the program be if the 3 best players on the team weren't coaches sons? I think that is extremely damning. Where would we have been the last couple years if we had actually had some experienced upper class men left over from the previous coaching staff? I think that’s extremely damning. People tend to forget Robinson got fired near the end of the school year, not the end of the season, and left Tinkle without a recruiting class... which followed a recruiting class from the previous year that didn’t pan out. Wait so now in year 5 it's still CR's fault? Cuz this thread is about the current state of the program... selecting OSU as a 10th place program next year. And, if I'm not mistaken, the existence of experienced returners from CR helped lead to WTs best two records. OSU would have more experienced returners if WTs own recruiting had gone better. And, this class best turn out very good, as mentioned the players/experience leaving only gets worse.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 5, 2018 10:17:37 GMT -8
I didn't realize being picked to finish 10th by an obscure Arizona fanboi website guaranteed us a 10th-place finish.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 5, 2018 10:43:12 GMT -8
I didn't realize being picked to finish 10th by an obscure Arizona fanboi website guaranteed us a 10th-place finish. Don't believe anyone said it did??? NBC Sports is an "Arizona fanboi website" Websites are websites, but NBCSports certainly is some blogger site... "Raphielle Johnson has been writing about college sports for more than a decade for multiple outlets, including NBC Sports. Focuses have included game recaps, columns, features and recruiting stories. A native of the Northeast, he now calls Pac-12 country home." But, then again, no one mentioned said prognostication was a guarantee of a finish in 10th.
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Post by ee1990 on Jun 5, 2018 10:43:34 GMT -8
We were 7th his first year, then 6th, 12th and 10th last year. Where would the program be if the 3 best players on the team weren't coaches sons? I think that is extremely damning. We'd have 3 other best players? Its only damning if you are an idiot. lol Our recruiting sucks, and that's WITH the 3 best players only being here because of their dads. You don't think that's an issue with the staff but I'm the idiot? Massive irony alert.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 5, 2018 11:07:25 GMT -8
We'd have 3 other best players? Its only damning if you are an idiot. lol Our recruiting sucks, and that's WITH the 3 best players only being here because of their dads. You don't think that's an issue with the staff but I'm the idiot? Massive irony alert. There are 5 starting spots... 13 scholarships to give. 3 of them are occupied by a coaches son by pure happen chance of this is when those boys, all of which are highly rated recruits, are of college age. If none of them had children, we'd have 3 OTHER best players. We simply don't know who else it would be. You cannot assume if it were not for the 3, we'd have nobodies. Availability of a starting spot is a big consideration point for basketball players. They aren't looking at 4 or 5 year careers. 4 and 5 star recruits are thinking one and done. Two and done... Tinkle does have a limited capacity to get other players when he has several locked down starting roles. Now that we are in the back end of those kids, it starts to look a little more appealing for quality players. Oregon had the same problem getting a QB when certain fella named Mariota was running the show. Star recruits do not want to sit. Drew Eubanks is proof the staff can find quality starters that aren't coach kids. Hollins is sure looking pretty damn quality to me. Our recruiting isn't great by any stretch, and the lack of ability to find a serviceable PG is a major concern... but the coach's kid thing is a major straw man.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 5, 2018 11:35:27 GMT -8
For those who haven't been paying attention, Tinkle put together a pretty competitive team last year. UCLA - 4 losses by 10 points or more Oregon - 5 losses by 10 points or more Stanford - 6 losses by 10 points or more USC - 6 losses by 10 points or more Washington - 6 losses by 10 points or more Utah - 9 losses by 10 points or more Colorado - 10 losses by 10 points or more Washington State - 11 losses by 10 points or more California - 19 losses by 10 points or more Oregon State - 3 losses by 10 points or more. Worst loss was by 13, nobody blew them out. Now in my opinion, Stanford played a heckuva tough schedule and several losses were to really good teams, but Oregon State was very competitive, even in the Pac 12. The team is improving, competing against anyone in the country is a stretch, but the situation is not as dire as some seem to make it out to be. Drew is a pretty big loss, but if either of our new point guards work out or any of our incoming big guys can effectively spell Big G we should be no worse off than last year, and quite possibly better. How that translates into wins it's hard to say, but my guess is there should be more wins this year than last. I think Oregon State should be a 6th place finish team this year, or it would be a disappointment. We are a better team, hands down, than California, WSU, Stanford and Utah and on equal footing (or even a little better) than Stanford, Colorado and ASU. If Tinkle isn't solidly middle of the pack this year, I think we can safely crank up the heat up on his seat. I was willing to let 5-27 be a mulligan year. he had a perfect storm of bad stuff. He rebound from 5 wins to 16 wins this year. He was competitive in basically all games and the quality of play improved as the season went on He has 3 of 5 starters, and only one departure was an significant impact player. Hollins was a major contributor by season's end so we arguably have 4 of 5 back. Tinkle and Stevie are all-Pac quality players. The improvement in Stevie's game was significant year over year. If Ethan can take a similar step forward in game, we should have a tourney quality team on our hands. and I think we should EXPECT that. we have a core of players that went 5 wins, 16 wins... the next step is a 20-22 win season. a 10 win pac season. it should be our expectation. And I do not think with Stevie, Tres (our top two scorers, and a greatly improved defender in Stevie) Ethan and Hollins coming back it is that unreasonable of an expectation. I am willing to believe Tinkle is a good coach, but even my patience has limits. He needs to show us the coach that won 158 games at Montana and crashed the NCAA's 3 times.
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