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Post by wetrodentia on May 8, 2018 7:23:01 GMT -8
No surprise, but not the little o this time. None of us should have thought this was going away for Luke. I’m surprised it hasn’t been uglier on the road for him. I know people who have given up on Beaver baseball and have lost respect for coach Casey because of this. Honestly, avid fans. There are STRONG feelings about this subject, especially among those who’ve suffered through something like this. Take a look at the statistics. It happens far too often. Much more often than those of us untouched by it want to admit. The little o will forever be on my s%#t-list for the timing of their piece last year. They knew exactly what they were doing. Those people who have given up on Beaver baseball have likely not read the Eggers piece in the Portland Tribune. I would encourage them to read that and then if they don't have respect for Casey and the program then so be it. There are always different perspectives to every controversy and though I may have some doubts I'm not convinced that Luke is guilty of anything.
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Post by nabeav on May 8, 2018 7:50:17 GMT -8
While you're right that the Times article presents no new information, it does provide information to a wider audience than just Oregonians or college baseball fans. While I still maintain that Luke served his sentence, paid his debt to society (as light as it may have been), and has every right to attend college and play baseball, I do not think that exempts him from people bringing it up.
And look, the facts are this - he plead guilty to avoid putting any undue stress on his family, then last year says "I have taken responsibility for my conduct when I was a teenager. As a 16 year old, I was placed on juvenile court probation and ordered to participate in an individual counseling program. I'm grateful for the counseling I received, and since then, I realized that the only way forward was to work each day on becoming the best person, community member and student I can possibly be."
Then he goes undrafted and now it's "I never did anything, this is flat out false?" Essentially calling his niece a liar....explain to me how that's not putting additional stress on his family. It's OK to do it now that he might not get drafted?
I can't reconcile those things in my head, and I don't think I'll ever be able to. I haven't watched a game he's pitched this year, nor do I plan to.
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Post by Tigardbeav on May 8, 2018 8:15:40 GMT -8
While you're right that the Times article presents no new information, it does provide information to a wider audience than just Oregonians or college baseball fans. While I still maintain that Luke served his sentence, paid his debt to society (as light as it may have been), and has every right to attend college and play baseball, I do not think that exempts him from people bringing it up. And look, the facts are this - he plead guilty to avoid putting any undue stress on his family, then last year says "I have taken responsibility for my conduct when I was a teenager. As a 16 year old, I was placed on juvenile court probation and ordered to participate in an individual counseling program. I'm grateful for the counseling I received, and since then, I realized that the only way forward was to work each day on becoming the best person, community member and student I can possibly be." Then he goes undrafted and now it's "I never did anything, this is flat out false?" Essentially calling his niece a liar....explain to me how that's not putting additional stress on his family. It's OK to do it now that he might not get drafted? I can't reconcile those things in my head, and I don't think I'll ever be able to. I haven't watched a game he's pitched this year, nor do I plan to. He's not the first or last person to plead to a lesser charge in lieu of a much worse fate in a trial He could have cleared his name by putting his niece on the stand and having lawyers tear his family apart. And perhaps still getting a long sentence if it went sideways
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Post by nabeav on May 8, 2018 8:33:46 GMT -8
While you're right that the Times article presents no new information, it does provide information to a wider audience than just Oregonians or college baseball fans. While I still maintain that Luke served his sentence, paid his debt to society (as light as it may have been), and has every right to attend college and play baseball, I do not think that exempts him from people bringing it up. And look, the facts are this - he plead guilty to avoid putting any undue stress on his family, then last year says "I have taken responsibility for my conduct when I was a teenager. As a 16 year old, I was placed on juvenile court probation and ordered to participate in an individual counseling program. I'm grateful for the counseling I received, and since then, I realized that the only way forward was to work each day on becoming the best person, community member and student I can possibly be." Then he goes undrafted and now it's "I never did anything, this is flat out false?" Essentially calling his niece a liar....explain to me how that's not putting additional stress on his family. It's OK to do it now that he might not get drafted? I can't reconcile those things in my head, and I don't think I'll ever be able to. I haven't watched a game he's pitched this year, nor do I plan to. He's not the first or last person to plead to a lesser charge in lieu of a much worse fate in a trial He could have cleared his name by putting his niece on the stand and having lawyers tear his family apart. And perhaps still getting a long sentence if it went sideways I agree. I guess I just don't see the benefits to providing interviews that allow reporters to tear your family apart now.
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Post by ochobeavo on May 8, 2018 12:39:35 GMT -8
He's not the first or last person to plead to a lesser charge in lieu of a much worse fate in a trial He could have cleared his name by putting his niece on the stand and having lawyers tear his family apart. And perhaps still getting a long sentence if it went sideways I agree. I guess I just don't see the benefits to providing interviews that allow reporters to tear your family apart now. Not to mention a year ago he removed himself from the team because he didn’t want to be a distraction. Here we are a year later, 3 weeks left in the regular season, biggest series of the year on the horizon and what we have is more distraction... the timing is bizarre, the endgame is... well, I’m not sure who reads the article and walks away with a changed perspective. MLB teams aren’t making a go/no go decision on a NYT article.
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Post by bill82 on May 8, 2018 12:43:41 GMT -8
Seems like a good time to go on offense. The record is expunged, unlike last year. It was probably dicey last year to claim innocence while still serving probation. Now there is no risk to state that he is innocent.
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Post by spudbeaver on May 8, 2018 13:02:13 GMT -8
No surprise, but not the little o this time. None of us should have thought this was going away for Luke. I’m surprised it hasn’t been uglier on the road for him. I know people who have given up on Beaver baseball and have lost respect for coach Casey because of this. Honestly, avid fans. There are STRONG feelings about this subject, especially among those who’ve suffered through something like this. Take a look at the statistics. It happens far too often. Much more often than those of us untouched by it want to admit. The little o will forever be on my s%#t-list for the timing of their piece last year. They knew exactly what they were doing. Those people who have given up on Beaver baseball have likely not read the Eggers piece in the Portland Tribune. I would encourage them to read that and then if they don't have respect for Casey and the program then so be it. There are always different perspectives to every controversy and though I may have some doubts I'm not convinced that Luke is guilty of anything. I agree with this because of my personal reaction and thoughts. Upon initially hearing the news I wanted him removed from the team immediately. I was incensed, and didn't want anybody like that representing my University. However, after reading the Eggers piece, I completely changed my mind. There were so many facts presented in that article that were not addressed by the hacks from either the Oregonian, or the NYT since. I believe Luke's story.
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Post by lefty on May 8, 2018 14:17:38 GMT -8
This is how I see it only Luke and the "alleged victim" know the truth. Luke took a polygraph and passed it. The mother of the girl is estranged from husband (ex) and didn't have custody of the girl. There was a good amount of bitterness by her to Luke's brother (and probably his family) Luke's parents did not want to have the girl (their grandchild) go through a trial which would have been nasty for her. Luke's lawyer advise that the best thing to do is plead guilty go through the counseling, the records are sealed and expunged after 5 years. Everything would have worked out if it wasn't for changing states. Luke has maintained he is innocent from day one and has followed to the letter all that was required of him. Its obvious from the person doing the counselling that he believes Luke and evaluated him as low risk. According to everyone that knows Luke that he is very good person. No one else has ever stated that they have had any reason to believe he has done this to anyone else. The polygraph speaks volumes for me. My kudos for coach Casey for standing beside him. This is truly journalism at its worse. Enough said.
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Post by bill82 on May 8, 2018 14:59:52 GMT -8
This is how I see it only Luke and the "alleged victim" know the truth. Luke took a polygraph and passed it. The mother of the girl is estranged from husband (ex) and didn't have custody of the girl. There was a good amount of bitterness by her to Luke's brother (and probably his family) Luke's parents did not want to have the girl (their grandchild) go through a trial which would have been nasty for her. Luke's lawyer advise that the best thing to do is plead guilty go through the counseling, the records are sealed and expunged after 5 years. Everything would have worked out if it wasn't for changing states. Luke has maintained he is innocent from day one and has followed to the letter all that was required of him. Its obvious from the person doing the counselling that he believes Luke and evaluated him as low risk. According to everyone that knows Luke that he is very good person. No one else has ever stated that they have had any reason to believe he has done this to anyone else. The polygraph speaks volumes for me. My kudos for coach Casey for standing beside him. This is truly journalism at its worse. Enough said. I believe the polygraph test was regarding other potential victims, and not specifically about the cousin in question. I recall that they could not ask questions during the polygraph regarding the cousin.
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Post by atownbeaver on May 8, 2018 15:02:57 GMT -8
While you're right that the Times article presents no new information, it does provide information to a wider audience than just Oregonians or college baseball fans. While I still maintain that Luke served his sentence, paid his debt to society (as light as it may have been), and has every right to attend college and play baseball, I do not think that exempts him from people bringing it up. And look, the facts are this - he plead guilty to avoid putting any undue stress on his family, then last year says "I have taken responsibility for my conduct when I was a teenager. As a 16 year old, I was placed on juvenile court probation and ordered to participate in an individual counseling program. I'm grateful for the counseling I received, and since then, I realized that the only way forward was to work each day on becoming the best person, community member and student I can possibly be." Then he goes undrafted and now it's "I never did anything, this is flat out false?" Essentially calling his niece a liar....explain to me how that's not putting additional stress on his family. It's OK to do it now that he might not get drafted? I can't reconcile those things in my head, and I don't think I'll ever be able to. I haven't watched a game he's pitched this year, nor do I plan to. He's not the first or last person to plead to a lesser charge in lieu of a much worse fate in a trial He could have cleared his name by putting his niece on the stand and having lawyers tear his family apart. And perhaps still getting a long sentence if it went sideways Our legal system is designed to extract plea deals... at every level, prosecutors are taught to dangle a carrot, and public defenders (and even private lawyers) are encouraged to advise clients to take plea deals. I understand SO many people cannot break the paradigm of "well he plead guilty... he did it". It is simply not necessarily the case. A guilty plea can be a strategic plan, based on circumstances. A calculated risk. We all want to delude ourselves into believing that in all cases, if we were innocent, we'd fight to prove it. The truth is, sometimes life is not fair, and the cards are going to be stacked against you. The reporting done by Eggers, the extra information such as passing a lie test, the mother saying Luke never had opportunity to be alone with the niece and his sports and school schedule kept him away from here nearly all the time, that she was always around and never noticed anything weird, the complaint came originally from an estranged ex wife that didn't have custody of the kid, and ultimately materialized as the brother calling the police after the ex wife persuaded him too, that his counselor stated before this interview Luke always maintained innocence, even when prompted many, many times that it is okay to admit he did it and no more trouble will come and it is part of healing. No matter what Luke always maintained he never did it. The therapist noted she saw no reason to not believe him. There is just so much out there that throws suspicion on the veracity of the claims. Enough that given his character before the accusations came out, we probably owe the kid the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by atownbeaver on May 8, 2018 15:04:29 GMT -8
This is how I see it only Luke and the "alleged victim" know the truth. Luke took a polygraph and passed it. The mother of the girl is estranged from husband (ex) and didn't have custody of the girl. There was a good amount of bitterness by her to Luke's brother (and probably his family) Luke's parents did not want to have the girl (their grandchild) go through a trial which would have been nasty for her. Luke's lawyer advise that the best thing to do is plead guilty go through the counseling, the records are sealed and expunged after 5 years. Everything would have worked out if it wasn't for changing states. Luke has maintained he is innocent from day one and has followed to the letter all that was required of him. Its obvious from the person doing the counselling that he believes Luke and evaluated him as low risk. According to everyone that knows Luke that he is very good person. No one else has ever stated that they have had any reason to believe he has done this to anyone else. The polygraph speaks volumes for me. My kudos for coach Casey for standing beside him. This is truly journalism at its worse. Enough said. I believe the polygraph test was regarding other potential victims, and not specifically about the cousin in question. I recall that they could not ask questions during the polygraph regarding the cousin. This is true, they could not specifically ask if he abused his niece. But they could, and did, ask questions such as "are you sexually aroused by 6 year old girls". "would you think about abusing 6 year old girls" and things of that nature. Those questions he passed.
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Post by BeaverG20 on May 8, 2018 15:39:42 GMT -8
While you're right that the Times article presents no new information, it does provide information to a wider audience than just Oregonians or college baseball fans. While I still maintain that Luke served his sentence, paid his debt to society (as light as it may have been), and has every right to attend college and play baseball, I do not think that exempts him from people bringing it up. And look, the facts are this - he plead guilty to avoid putting any undue stress on his family, then last year says "I have taken responsibility for my conduct when I was a teenager. As a 16 year old, I was placed on juvenile court probation and ordered to participate in an individual counseling program. I'm grateful for the counseling I received, and since then, I realized that the only way forward was to work each day on becoming the best person, community member and student I can possibly be." Then he goes undrafted and now it's "I never did anything, this is flat out false?" Essentially calling his niece a liar....explain to me how that's not putting additional stress on his family. It's OK to do it now that he might not get drafted? I can't reconcile those things in my head, and I don't think I'll ever be able to. I haven't watched a game he's pitched this year, nor do I plan to. He's not the first or last person to plead to a lesser charge in lieu of a much worse fate in a trial He could have cleared his name by putting his niece on the stand and having lawyers tear his family apart. And perhaps still getting a long sentence if it went sideways When I was 18, in 1998, about two months before I left for the army, while at a house party, I got into a fight. A guy was driving around the block, screaming at us from his truck and lighting up the tires and revving the engine and so on. I told him to get the #@$!@ our of here. He got out of his truck, came onto my friends property and shoved me against a car. At that point I hit him with an uppercut that knocked him out on his feet. When he fell backwards unconscious, his head slammed into the asphalt, making a horrible sound. At that point I tried to wake him up. When he didn't wake up, I bolted. I was arrested the following morning on Assault 2 attempt to maim or murder, a felony, of course, and a Measure 11 offense in Oregon carrying a mandatory sentence of 5 years and ten months in prison. I sat in jail for a couple weeks until my bail was reduced to a level that my parents could afford. The entire time I was I there, I was certain I was screwed for good. After posting bail and retaining a lawyer, I was urged to plead guilty to Assault 4, a misdemeanor. I could take the case to trial, and I might win, but if I did lose, it was essentially 6 years in prison. If I plead guilty and paid restitution, hospital bills, then I could go on as a "free" man. I chose to plead guilty. I also had to write a letter to the "victim" and read it in court. After doing so I went back to jail for 30 days, and after that was told the Army had no use for me. I was put on probation until I paid the restitution,and because of that I was turned down for apartment after apartment, and even cost me a job offer more than 9 years after the fact, even after probation. I bring this up to point out that while I did plead guilty, I still contend to this day that I was innocent, and only defending myself. One effective punch isn't attempt to maim or murder. I also paid for this for almost a decade after the fact. I don't know what happened in the Heimlich situation, but I can tell you that pleading guilty and writing a court ordered apology letter may be guilt in the eyes of the law, but there is a lot of gray area when it come to actual guilt and innocence, and sometimes you don't feel like gambling with the rest of your life, even though you didn't do anything wrong. Sometimes you have to play the game, by the games own rules, and it's tough to win.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 8, 2018 16:05:15 GMT -8
He's not the first or last person to plead to a lesser charge in lieu of a much worse fate in a trial He could have cleared his name by putting his niece on the stand and having lawyers tear his family apart. And perhaps still getting a long sentence if it went sideways Our legal system is designed to extract plea deals... at every level, prosecutors are taught to dangle a carrot, and public defenders (and even private lawyers) are encouraged to advise clients to take plea deals. I understand SO many people cannot break the paradigm of "well he plead guilty... he did it". It is simply not necessarily the case. A guilty plea can be a strategic plan, based on circumstances. A calculated risk. We all want to delude ourselves into believing that in all cases, if we were innocent, we'd fight to prove it. The truth is, sometimes life is not fair, and the cards are going to be stacked against you. The reporting done by Eggers, the extra information such as passing a lie test, the mother saying Luke never had opportunity to be alone with the niece and his sports and school schedule kept him away from here nearly all the time, that she was always around and never noticed anything weird, the complaint came originally from an estranged ex wife that didn't have custody of the kid, and ultimately materialized as the brother calling the police after the ex wife persuaded him too, that his counselor stated before this interview Luke always maintained innocence, even when prompted many, many times that it is okay to admit he did it and no more trouble will come and it is part of healing. No matter what Luke always maintained he never did it. The therapist noted she saw no reason to not believe him. There is just so much out there that throws suspicion on the veracity of the claims. Enough that given his character before the accusations came out, we probably owe the kid the benefit of the doubt. If it was a calculated risk, this is the fallout from the "strategy." If it is not true, you fight. You fight until you cannot fight anymore. You fight until the bitter end. It's like the beginning of "Gladiator": You want to turn a plea deal into a "strategy?" Well, having your name be mud is one of the negatives of the "strategy." As for delusion, the narrative that many have fabricated reeks of it. If Luke's ex-aunt wanted to hurt someone, why wouldn't she say that Luke's brother, Josh, sexually assaulted Luke's six-year-old niece? Why not the grandfather? Why Luke? Why did Josh and the former Mrs. Heimlich choose that name among all names? Why would Josh still be upset about it? Why would the niece's mother still be upset about it? Logic dictates the conclusion that Josh, Mrs. Heimlich, and the young Ms. Heimlich all believe that Luke did abominable things to a 4-6 year old. There is no fabrication on the part of either Josh or Mrs. Heimlich. Further, if this was untrue and untrue from the get-go, why did the "real" Luke Heimlich story only come out after the five years was up and the court records were sealed? The logical answer is because they could be refuted prior to the five years. Why won't Luke divulge the entirety of the court records today? The logical answer is because they could be used to refute his current narrative. I have yet to hear a coherent reason why there was a several month delay before the "real" Luke Heimlich story came to light. "There is just so much out there that throws suspicion on the veracity of the claims." Seriously? You add the fact that Luke in his own words "pled guilty" and the stench of the evidence becomes so overpowering that it is surreal to read some of the posts on this board. I am in awe of the amazing logical back-flips being done on this board and in the worst of ways. I always thought that Beaver fans were better. I know some on here are better. However, there are some that are truly fanatics and a part of me is very sad about that.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 8, 2018 16:09:56 GMT -8
I agree. I guess I just don't see the benefits to providing interviews that allow reporters to tear your family apart now. Not to mention a year ago he removed himself from the team because he didn’t want to be a distraction. Here we are a year later, 3 weeks left in the regular season, biggest series of the year on the horizon and what we have is more distraction... the timing is bizarre, the endgame is... well, I’m not sure who reads the article and walks away with a changed perspective. MLB teams aren’t making a go/no go decision on a NYT article. This seems like a calculated move on Luke's part. I would hazard to guess that it is in response to the response that he is getting from scouts and MLB team representatives. The timing is very unfortunate, in my opinion. However, Luke is doing what he always does, whatever is in Luke's perceived best interest.
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Post by giantkillers83 on May 8, 2018 16:39:25 GMT -8
In Omaha last year.... I can tell you everyone I ran into was supportive of Luke and wondering why he wasn’t there given it all.... LSU fans, Florida fans, Omaha folk....
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