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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 21, 2018 21:16:17 GMT -8
I think the *ucks should give him as many years as it takes to turn that program around.
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Post by eugenedave on Apr 21, 2018 22:32:59 GMT -8
I think the *ucks should give him as many years as it takes to turn that program around. I don't think George has that many years left to live. |
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Post by Tigardbeav on Apr 21, 2018 22:52:09 GMT -8
I think the *ucks should give him as many years as it takes to turn that program around. I don't think George has that many years left to live. Do you think the schmucks would bury him next to the Beaver jersey? with a plaque Omaha still 1673 miles away |
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Post by eugenedave on Apr 22, 2018 3:40:03 GMT -8
I don't think George has that many years left to live. Do you think the schmucks would bury him next to the Beaver jersey? with a plaque Omaha still 1673 miles away That certainly would be fitting. Might as well be 1673 light years. And my sources say it is Beaver jerseys that are buried in their cursed stadium. We know one thing for sure, they or it is not underneath home plate! |
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 22, 2018 6:57:57 GMT -8
favorite number at present: 5...in honor of the incomparable Tyler Malone.
favorite numerical progression: 18-16-14-12, representing Horton’s team PAC 12 victories from 2014 > 2017.
Will the 2018 *uck squad, under George’s stellar leadership continue the perfect symmetry - with a “10”? Finishing out with a 4-8 record would do the trick.
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Post by seastape on Apr 22, 2018 8:53:31 GMT -8
I think the *ucks should give him as many years as it takes to turn that program around. I generally dislike or even hate all things yuck, but once in a while something emerges from hole tat I like and respect. Joey Harrington was one. Horton is another. Every time I have heard him talk about Oregon State and Pat Casey, he has been nothing but positive. I also had great respect for him when he coached at Fullerton. Outside of location, there was not reason for that school to have a great program, but that's what they had under Horton. He's alright, as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 22, 2018 9:30:36 GMT -8
I think the *ucks should give him as many years as it takes to turn that program around. I generally dislike or even hate all things yuck, but once in a while something emerges from hole tat I like and respect. Joey Harrington was one. Horton is another. Every time I have heard him talk about Oregon State and Pat Casey, he has been nothing but positive. I also had great respect for him when he coached at Fullerton. Outside of location, there was not reason for that school to have a great program, but that's what they had under Horton. He's alright, as far as I'm concerned. Augie Garrido built the Fullerton program from the ground up and won 3 CWS titles there. Horton took over after Garrido left for U Texas. He kept the ship on course and the guys who followed Horton (Serrano, Vanderhook) have done the same. But like I said - he's doing terrific at u0 and I hope he coaches there forever. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 22, 2018 11:17:43 GMT -8
I think the *ucks should give him as many years as it takes to turn that program around. Unlike you and some others... I do not despise the ucks as "people/human beings" unless they wholly deserve it... see Dana Altman. The disparaging of Horton seems over the top and although whether sarcasm and within bounds of a poster, so be it. However the fact of the matter... and I know some do not like to get overly enamored with actual fact on this site... -Horton did far more than keep the ship afloat at Fullerton... in his (11) seasons George had: 7 league titles, 11 straight NCAA appearances, 6 CWS appearances/1 title (8 seasons after taking over for AG)... -George is seen as a astute baseball mind, great coach, and very well liked around the country... PC and he get along quite well. -and, the above statement/sarcasm was probably similar to what some thought about PC after year 10. PC was not starting from scratch and OSU/Riley were a well thought of baseball program yet his "beginnings" seem... well underwhelming. And comparatively so, Horton has been far better and is on "track", albeit maybe to old to see the fruits of his labor. PC (1st 10 years... 1st 4 in Pac 10 North)Record: 295-225-4 / 115-131 Finishes: 4,2,2,2 (North), 8,6,6,6,8,6 NCAA: 0 appearances Horton (9+ years... all in Pac10/11)Record: 311-216-1 / 124-127 Finishes: 10,5,8,3,2,4,6,8,8,? NCAA: 5 appearances... Regionals '10,'13, '14, '15... Super '12 Point... be careful what you wish for  |
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 22, 2018 11:46:25 GMT -8
If he’s so good then why have his PAC 12 victories gone down by 2 per year for 4 straight years...with a good possibility for making that 5 years in a row in 2018. He may be a great baseball mind, but as far as attracting, developing, and motivating 18 to 21 year old baseball talent, especially hitters and fielders, he’s either past his prime or simply bordering on being a failure.
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Post by zeroposter on Apr 22, 2018 12:13:25 GMT -8
The best teams that Horton has had at Oregon (tournament teams) were fast, executed well, and pitched well. They led or were close to leading the league in hbp, BBs, stolen bases and sacs, and their speed forced errors.
They lost Checketts which was key to their early no-name pitching staffs. They are not nearly as pesky on the bases. And they swing at tons of bad pitches--especially the last 2 years. Totally different than the Fullerton and earlier Oregon teams.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 22, 2018 12:14:35 GMT -8
I think the *ucks should give him as many years as it takes to turn that program around. Unlike you and some others... I do not despise the ucks as "people/human beings" unless they wholly deserve it... see Dana Altman. The disparaging of Horton seems over the top and although whether sarcasm and within bounds of a poster, so be it. However the fact of the matter... and I know some do not like to get overly enamored with actual fact on this site... -Horton did far more than keep the ship afloat at Fullerton... in his (11) seasons George had: 7 league titles, 11 straight NCAA appearances, 6 CWS appearances/1 title (8 seasons after taking over for AG)... -George is seen as a astute baseball mind, great coach, and very well liked around the country... PC and he get along quite well. -and, the above statement/sarcasm was probably similar to what some thought about PC after year 10. PC was not starting from scratch and OSU/Riley were a well thought of baseball program yet his "beginnings" seem... well underwhelming. And comparatively so, Horton has been far better and is on "track", albeit maybe to old to see the fruits of his labor. PC (1st 10 years... 1st 4 in Pac 10 North)Record: 295-225-4 / 115-131 Finishes: 4,2,2,2 (North), 8,6,6,6,8,6 NCAA: 0 appearances Horton (9+ years... all in Pac10/11)Record: 311-216-1 / 124-127 Finishes: 10,5,8,3,2,4,6,8,8,? NCAA: 5 appearances... Regionals '10,'13, '14, '15... Super '12 Point... be careful what you wish for I'm not disparaging Horton. At least someone is talking about him. *uck fans always tell me "there's no such thing as bad publicity". *ucks don't even have a baseball message board. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 22, 2018 12:26:01 GMT -8
If he’s so good then why have his PAC 12 victories gone down by 2 per year for 4 straight years...with a good possibility for making that 5 years in a row in 2018. He may be a great baseball mind, but as far as attracting, developing, and motivating 18 to 21 year old baseball talent, especially hitters and fielders, he’s either past his prime or simply bordering on being a failure. Do you apply that logic to our own coaches? If so, you may not want to take a hard look at two of the most successful programs here over the next couple years. I mean holy smoke SR and WBB dropped down 2 W's this year... what if they do next year too??? If we drop off by 7 league wins this season is PC past his prime? bordering on a failure? I mean that's a 7 game drop in ONE season. Did PC just learn how to coach in year 11... George forgot in year 12? Beginning a program from scratch is very tough, especially in a good conference... just saying George is a top notch baseball coach, be careful what you wish for. In firing him it's highly unlikely the ucks can find anyone with his past success and knowledge to take over. His biggest loss was Checketts... but, even AC were to come back after George it was the combo that was building the right way. Andrew is finding sustaining success is tough... after stunning CWS appearance in '16, 24-32 in '17, and 17-17 this year. Not sure he'll be in line for a big gig if he doesn't have a few more years of big successes. |
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Post by Tigardbeav on Apr 22, 2018 13:05:38 GMT -8
I think Beaver baseball fans have a long memory from when GH was hired. In addition the way that the program was resurected. Kilwrestling was just arrogant enough to think they could buy their way to the top of NCAA baseball. First build a stadium. (built by Beaver fans btw) Then go find someone right off a CWS appearance iirc. Why 2 years later they must be in the CWS right? Then GH comes in and announces he's going to kick PC *ss.
Whereas PC built the program brick by brick. Stadium, players & wins. Strangely I don't have quite so much disdain for GH now that tsdtr is on a 7 game losing streak to da Beavs. Maybe baseball can emulate WBB and get to 16!
Now Beaver fans can get a bit arrogant too. Counting sweeps to the Pac 12 championship for example. I've been guilty myself.
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 22, 2018 14:36:32 GMT -8
If he’s so good then why have his PAC 12 victories gone down by 2 per year for 4 straight years...with a good possibility for making that 5 years in a row in 2018. He may be a great baseball mind, but as far as attracting, developing, and motivating 18 to 21 year old baseball talent, especially hitters and fielders, he’s either past his prime or simply bordering on being a failure. Do you apply that logic to our own coaches? If so, you may not want to take a hard look at two of the most successful programs here over the next couple years. I mean holy smoke SR and WBB dropped down 2 W's this year... what if they do next year too??? If we drop off by 7 league wins this season is PC past his prime? bordering on a failure? I mean that's a 7 game drop in ONE season. Did PC just learn how to coach in year 11... George forgot in year 12? Beginning a program from scratch is very tough, especially in a good conference... just saying George is a top notch baseball coach, be careful what you wish for. In firing him it's highly unlikely the ucks can find anyone with his past success and knowledge to take over. His biggest loss was Checketts... but, even AC were to come back after George it was the combo that was building the right way. Andrew is finding sustaining success is tough... after stunning CWS appearance in '16, 24-32 in '17, and 17-17 this year. Not sure he'll be in line for a big gig if he doesn't have a few more years of big successes. while I’m reluctant to enter into a lengthy tit for tat discussion, for which you are famous...comparing SR or PC ups and downs to the now 4+ year Horton downward spiral in the PAC 12 is apples to oranges. Imagine if SR #s or PC #s (in Conference) resembled this chronology: beginning in 2014.....18-12 (yea!), 16-14, 14-16, 12-18, 6-12 (to date in 2018). That is one ugly pattern. Note too that the progression begins at YEAR 6 of the coaches presence at the institution- right when a coach building a program from scratch should be hitting their stride. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 22, 2018 15:17:09 GMT -8
We all know that all things were equal when Pat and George began their respective coaching tenures at their current schools.
Equal facilities, equal funding, equal recruiting budget, equal number of support staff, same league to compete in/recruit to, etc.
George is a good coach. He seems like a decent human being. I think after some early self-confidence, bordering on arrogance (understandable, considering his CSUF success), he's learned just how hard it is to sustain top-flight success at a cold-weather school, and that has tempered his arrogance while increasing his respect for Pat.
I wish for him to remain the head coach at uo as long as he wants, and I'm not even being careful wishing that.
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