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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 22, 2018 15:32:49 GMT -8
Do you apply that logic to our own coaches? If so, you may not want to take a hard look at two of the most successful programs here over the next couple years. I mean holy smoke SR and WBB dropped down 2 W's this year... what if they do next year too??? If we drop off by 7 league wins this season is PC past his prime? bordering on a failure? I mean that's a 7 game drop in ONE season. Did PC just learn how to coach in year 11... George forgot in year 12? Beginning a program from scratch is very tough, especially in a good conference... just saying George is a top notch baseball coach, be careful what you wish for. In firing him it's highly unlikely the ucks can find anyone with his past success and knowledge to take over. His biggest loss was Checketts... but, even AC were to come back after George it was the combo that was building the right way. Andrew is finding sustaining success is tough... after stunning CWS appearance in '16, 24-32 in '17, and 17-17 this year. Not sure he'll be in line for a big gig if he doesn't have a few more years of big successes. while I’m reluctant to enter into a lengthy tit for tat discussion, for which you are famous...comparing SR or PC ups and downs to the now 4+ year Horton downward spiral in the PAC 12 is apples to oranges. Imagine if SR #s or PC #s (in Conference) resembled this chronology: beginning in 2014.....18-12 (yea!), 16-14, 14-16, 12-18, 6-12 (to date in 2018). That is one ugly pattern. Note too that the progression begins at YEAR 6 of the coaches presence at the institution- right when a coach building a program from scratch should be hitting their stride. Tit for tat... lmao... thanks for that😁 I didn't compare, asked if YOUR logic of decreasing league wins = bad coach/failure applied equally. So, using your "hitting their stride", and OSU not being built from the ground up, PC should have been gone after year 6? 7? Certainly didn't hit any "stride" til year 11... This isn't an argument as it is pretty obvious/factual that: A) Horton knows how to coach and has had great success. B) He's had far more success than PC in their 1st 10 years running their program. C) Bad 4 year stretch doesn't mean he's a bad coach, nor a failure. But, then some just hate uck "everything" and objectivity is truly a moot point. |
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 22, 2018 15:44:47 GMT -8
while I’m reluctant to enter into a lengthy tit for tat discussion, for which you are famous...comparing SR or PC ups and downs to the now 4+ year Horton downward spiral in the PAC 12 is apples to oranges. Imagine if SR #s or PC #s (in Conference) resembled this chronology: beginning in 2014.....18-12 (yea!), 16-14, 14-16, 12-18, 6-12 (to date in 2018). That is one ugly pattern. Note too that the progression begins at YEAR 6 of the coaches presence at the institution- right when a coach building a program from scratch should be hitting their stride. Tit for tat... lmao... thanks for that😁 I didn't compare, asked if YOUR logic of decreasing league wins = bad coach/failure applied equally. So, using your "hitting their stride", and OSU not being built from the ground up, PC should have been gone after year 6? 7? Certainly didn't hit any "stride" til year 11... This isn't an argument as it is pretty obvious/factual that: A) Horton knows how to coach and has had great success. B) He's had far more success than PC in their 1st 10 years running their program. C) Bad 4 year stretch doesn't mean he's a bad coach, nor a failure. But, then some just hate uck "everything" and objectivity is truly a moot point. I’m done. Your superior logic and facts win again! You should consider retiring as the undefeated CHAMP!! |
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Post by EOBeav on Apr 22, 2018 16:27:47 GMT -8
At the end of the game last night, George looked like he didn't give a rip about getting swept by their rivals across the river two years in a row. I think he's just cashing a check at this point. For whatever coaching success he's had in the past, the Ducks look horrible average at their best, and horrible inept at times.
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Post by eugenedave on Apr 22, 2018 16:44:53 GMT -8
We all know that all things were equal when Pat and George began their respective coaching tenures at their current schools. Equal facilities, equal funding, equal recruiting budget, equal number of support staff, same league to compete in/recruit to, etc. George is a good coach. He seems like a decent human being. I think after some early self-confidence, bordering on arrogance (understandable, considering his CSUF success), he's learned just how hard it is to sustain top-flight success at a cold-weather school, and that has tempered his arrogance while increasing his respect for Pat. I wish for him to remain the head coach at uo as long as he wants, and I'm not even being careful wishing that. Arrogance when George arrived? You're damned right he was arrogant. He ran his mouth about how he was going to take down the Beavers as the top program in the PNW. Those words were not lost on Casey. I know for a fact that he is not a Horton fan. You want Pat's respect? Do it on the field, and live for your team. Be humble, be proud, and teach your young charges the game of life. A lot can be learned between the chalk lines that has nothing to do with baseball. And that is where Pat separates himself from most other coaches. A good man, who has built a top program that we can all be proud of. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 22, 2018 17:09:31 GMT -8
while I’m reluctant to enter into a lengthy tit for tat discussion, for which you are famous...comparing SR or PC ups and downs to the now 4+ year Horton downward spiral in the PAC 12 is apples to oranges. Imagine if SR #s or PC #s (in Conference) resembled this chronology: beginning in 2014.....18-12 (yea!), 16-14, 14-16, 12-18, 6-12 (to date in 2018). That is one ugly pattern. Note too that the progression begins at YEAR 6 of the coaches presence at the institution- right when a coach building a program from scratch should be hitting their stride. Tit for tat... lmao... thanks for that😁 I didn't compare, asked if YOUR logic of decreasing league wins = bad coach/failure applied equally. So, using your "hitting their stride", and OSU not being built from the ground up, PC should have been gone after year 6? 7? Certainly didn't hit any "stride" til year 11... This isn't an argument as it is pretty obvious/factual that: A) Horton knows how to coach and has had great success. B) He's had far more success than PC in their 1st 10 years running their program. C) Bad 4 year stretch doesn't mean he's a bad coach, nor a failure. But, then some just hate uck "everything" and objectivity is truly a moot point. George needs Beaver Nation’s love, respect and admiration. Give till it hurts. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 22, 2018 17:24:13 GMT -8
while I’m reluctant to enter into a lengthy tit for tat discussion, for which you are famous...comparing SR or PC ups and downs to the now 4+ year Horton downward spiral in the PAC 12 is apples to oranges. Imagine if SR #s or PC #s (in Conference) resembled this chronology: beginning in 2014.....18-12 (yea!), 16-14, 14-16, 12-18, 6-12 (to date in 2018). That is one ugly pattern. Note too that the progression begins at YEAR 6 of the coaches presence at the institution- right when a coach building a program from scratch should be hitting their stride. Tit for tat... lmao... thanks for that😁 I didn't compare, asked if YOUR logic of decreasing league wins = bad coach/failure applied equally. So, using your "hitting their stride", and OSU not being built from the ground up, PC should have been gone after year 6? 7? Certainly didn't hit any "stride" til year 11... This isn't an argument as it is pretty obvious/factual that: A) Horton knows how to coach and has had great success. B) He's had far more success than PC in their 1st 10 years running their program. C) Bad 4 year stretch doesn't mean he's a bad coach, nor a failure. But, then some just hate uck "everything" and objectivity is truly a moot point. You can’t compare Pat’s first 6 or 7 years to George’s. Pat did not have all the money and facilities that come with coaching at uo. George had every possible $$$ resource to have a successful program right out of the gate and he has failed. Pat ran a program for the first several years that nobody cared about and was flat broke. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 22, 2018 17:50:28 GMT -8
At the end of the game last night, George looked like he didn't give a rip about getting swept by their rivals across the river two years in a row. I think he's just cashing a check at this point. For whatever coaching success he's had in the past, the Ducks look horrible average at their best, and horrible inept at times. I agree. I was thinking they certainly don’t look well coached to me. Makes me happy though! |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Apr 22, 2018 18:15:00 GMT -8
I think the *ucks should give him as many years as it takes to turn that program around. Unlike you and some others... I do not despise the ucks as "people/human beings" unless they wholly deserve it... see Dana Altman. The disparaging of Horton seems over the top and although whether sarcasm and within bounds of a poster, so be it. However the fact of the matter... and I know some do not like to get overly enamored with actual fact on this site... -Horton did far more than keep the ship afloat at Fullerton... in his (11) seasons George had: 7 league titles, 11 straight NCAA appearances, 6 CWS appearances/1 title (8 seasons after taking over for AG)... -George is seen as a astute baseball mind, great coach, and very well liked around the country... PC and he get along quite well. -and, the above statement/sarcasm was probably similar to what some thought about PC after year 10. PC was not starting from scratch and OSU/Riley were a well thought of baseball program yet his "beginnings" seem... well underwhelming. And comparatively so, Horton has been far better and is on "track", albeit maybe to old to see the fruits of his labor. PC (1st 10 years... 1st 4 in Pac 10 North)Record: 295-225-4 / 115-131 Finishes: 4,2,2,2 (North), 8,6,6,6,8,6 NCAA: 0 appearances Horton (9+ years... all in Pac10/11)Record: 311-216-1 / 124-127 Finishes: 10,5,8,3,2,4,6,8,8,? NCAA: 5 appearances... Regionals '10,'13, '14, '15... Super '12 Point... be careful what you wish for  While I can appreciate your point... and agree to a point.... fact is PC following up to Jack is apples and oranges compared to Horton at zeros.... back in the day... it was NorPac..... with Portland, PSU, Zags, as well as the WA’s..... oregon gave up in 1982..... Mel Krause.... I liked that guy. But that was a different time. We got no respect..... didn’t play the south PAC as much.. and they were light years beyond our level of play at the time. Just a fact. What Pat had to do once he took over is eons above what Horton was handed on a plate. Jack was a good coach. I know. And Beavs represented. Mostly. We got no respect come June. All the 2’s were due to Bobo Brayton at WSU. great coach. Great guy. i wouldn’t EVEN compare 1st 10 records of PC with Horton. They’re just different. And i have no jones against George.... good baseball guy. Fullerton is Fullerton. He did well there. He’s a grad. But certainly... at oregon..... given everything he has been given..... resources... salary, etc..... his time is now growing short. I would agree I hope they keep him there forever... that ain’t gonna happen. Unfortunately. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 22, 2018 20:22:46 GMT -8
Bobo Brayton was also cheating his a** off, and got WSU put on probation because he and the track coach were handing our far more scholarship aid than was permissible under NCAA rules at the time. Jack finally got fed up and blew him in.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Apr 23, 2018 7:16:13 GMT -8
Bobo Brayton was also cheating his a** off, and got WSU put on probation because he and the track coach were handing our far more scholarship aid than was permissible under NCAA rules at the time. Jack finally got fed up and blew him in. I knew it! So all the stuff we were getting on Bobo was right! I feel vindicated  |
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Post by alohabeav on Apr 23, 2018 10:04:48 GMT -8
while I’m reluctant to enter into a lengthy tit for tat discussion, for which you are famous...comparing SR or PC ups and downs to the now 4+ year Horton downward spiral in the PAC 12 is apples to oranges. Imagine if SR #s or PC #s (in Conference) resembled this chronology: beginning in 2014.....18-12 (yea!), 16-14, 14-16, 12-18, 6-12 (to date in 2018). That is one ugly pattern. Note too that the progression begins at YEAR 6 of the coaches presence at the institution- right when a coach building a program from scratch should be hitting their stride. Tit for tat... lmao... thanks for that😁 I didn't compare, asked if YOUR logic of decreasing league wins = bad coach/failure applied equally. So, using your "hitting their stride", and OSU not being built from the ground up, PC should have been gone after year 6? 7? Certainly didn't hit any "stride" til year 11... This isn't an argument as it is pretty obvious/factual that: A) Horton knows how to coach and has had great success. B) He's had far more success than PC in their 1st 10 years running their program. C) Bad 4 year stretch doesn't mean he's a bad coach, nor a failure. But, then some just hate uck "everything" and objectivity is truly a moot point. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 23, 2018 12:07:34 GMT -8
Tit for tat... lmao... thanks for that😁 I didn't compare, asked if YOUR logic of decreasing league wins = bad coach/failure applied equally. So, using your "hitting their stride", and OSU not being built from the ground up, PC should have been gone after year 6? 7? Certainly didn't hit any "stride" til year 11... This isn't an argument as it is pretty obvious/factual that: A) Horton knows how to coach and has had great success. B) He's had far more success than PC in their 1st 10 years running their program. C) Bad 4 year stretch doesn't mean he's a bad coach, nor a failure. But, then some just hate uck "everything" and objectivity is truly a moot point. “PC was not starting from scratch and OSU/Riley were a well thought of baseball program yet his "beginnings" seem... well underwhelming. And comparatively so, Horton has been far better and is on "track", albeit maybe to old to see the fruits of his labor.” ...but you didn’t “compare”. |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 23, 2018 12:42:41 GMT -8
Tit for tat... lmao... thanks for that😁 I didn't compare, asked if YOUR logic of decreasing league wins = bad coach/failure applied equally. So, using your "hitting their stride", and OSU not being built from the ground up, PC should have been gone after year 6? 7? Certainly didn't hit any "stride" til year 11... This isn't an argument as it is pretty obvious/factual that: A) Horton knows how to coach and has had great success. B) He's had far more success than PC in their 1st 10 years running their program. C) Bad 4 year stretch doesn't mean he's a bad coach, nor a failure. But, then some just hate uck "everything" and objectivity is truly a moot point. Pat Casey had a lot of success prior to 2005 at Oregon State - only to be mired in the pac-North - he had several squads prior and after reunification that were legit teams that deserved to be in the field of 64, only to be disregarded until the Beavs forced their hand by winning the Pac-10 in 2005. The ucks started with a professional level ball park, a budget that was larger than the Beavers had after winning two titles, the instant recruiting cache of a NC coach backed by Nike and a great pitching coach. Everything else being equal - after 10 years the ucks are on an arc downward, where the Beavs were knocking on the door. |
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Post by justdamwin on Apr 23, 2018 13:48:13 GMT -8
Bottom line; playing baseball in the northwest I would not trade Pat Casey for any coach out there.
Happy he’s our guy.
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Post by lebaneaver on Apr 23, 2018 21:31:24 GMT -8
Bottom line; playing baseball in the northwest I would not trade Pat Casey for any coach out there. Happy he’s our guy. "................................So shall it be written.........................So shall it be done........................!" |
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