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Post by bennyskid on Apr 16, 2018 6:06:02 GMT -8
From last night's banquet.
Awards (voted on by the team)
- Rebounder: Marie
- Offensive Player: Marie
- Defensive Player: Katie
- Most Improved: Jo
- Best Teammate: Mik
Scott said that Taylor spent the last two months of the season with a nagging injury - not serious enough to take her out completely, but it limited her minutes. He didn't elaborate, but said she has had surgery and will be 100% in a few weeks. That explains so much.
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Post by jefframp on Apr 16, 2018 6:42:58 GMT -8
Scott's 20 minute time slot turned into nearly 60 minutes but he is pretty fun to listen to so we did not mind. I thought Marie's comments were all heart felt and that she did an excellent job as well. The beef was a little chewy though.  |
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Post by beavsteve on Apr 16, 2018 7:04:02 GMT -8
Thanks for the report. Great news about T.K.! Were there any comments relating to next season?
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 16, 2018 7:36:15 GMT -8
Not much about next season. A couple tidbits.
Scott talked a lot about how much the players developed. In the early practices, they had trouble just running a weave. In the early games, Mik wouldn't get the play calls. These girls had only known winning, and it was tough for them to have gone backwards from last season. And to amplify the discomfort, they were screwing up on TV in front of 5000 people.
Learning to play defense was a recurring theme. These girls spend most of their careers being offensive machines. In high school and AAU, they don't have the energy left over to play real D. According to Scott - when Destiny arrived, she didn't know how to play defense, either.
Scott considered the UCLA win to be the turning point. He says that we beat ASU and UO on pure "will", but against UCLA we were just better. During a timeout, right after Katie had driven on Jordin Canada for two, Scott told Katie - "You get it now, don't you? You're BETTER than her." That game gave them the swagger that they took into Tennessee and Baylor.
Regarding next year, my impression is that we shouldn't expect too much from the incoming freshmen simply because there is so much to learn. Scott spoke highly of Jo - "No one scores on her" - and Janessa - "Hasn't touched her potential." So don't expect AA and PM to just walk out on the floor Day One. Jazz will have to learn the defense, too, so she'll be studying from the bench for a while. And no one is taking minutes from Katie unless they can channel Gabby Hanson on D and Jaime Weisner on O.
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Post by 411500 on Apr 16, 2018 8:26:31 GMT -8
thanks for posting an overview of Coach R's comments on player development.
I say this because it is an aspect of on court performance a lot of fans lose sight of. Who, for example, on this board has thus far posted the idea that Destiny Slocum was a weak defensive player? Or, when she arrived "didn't know how to play defense..."
Coach's comments play into the idea that neither of the 2 Bigs coming in next year will be ready for floor time. Maybe January if they are lucky.
Janessa is an unknown commodity. She's had virtually no game time in her 2 years in the program. A realistic assessment of her skills is virtually impossible at this time - at least for me.
I keep thinking about Kolby and Bre and where they were skill-wise at the end of their sophomore season, and where they ended up after 4 years of coached up development.
That kind of heroic progress (not incremental progress) is what the Beavs need from Maddie and Janessa if we are to have any paint game next year....
Thanks also for the Katie comments. She is a premiere player. Period. Anyone who thinks her floor time will be clawed back next year is missing something in their thinking.
It's only April so even way-too-early comments are too early.🏀 But I think we should get ready for a Beaver starting 5 where Tara C. is the biggest and tallest player.
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 8:45:02 GMT -8
It's only April so even way-too-early comments are too early.🏀 But I think we should get ready for a Beaver starting 5 where Tara C. is the biggest and tallest player. GO BEAVS !! It's true that AA will need to learn the plays, and defense especially. However, if you've seen her video, all you have to do with her is plant her anywhere close to the basket and she immediately becomes your best offensive threat. At 6'9" she is virtually unstoppable from that range and has a great feel for her shot. So yes, SR might not start her, either to encourage her to learn faster or to keep the pressure off her, but there's NO question that she could contribute greatly to the offense at our position of greatest need, almost from day one. Add in her shot-blocking and rebounding ability and it's a no-brainer. Patricia is less of a threat offensively, lacking AA's shooting touch, so her playing time could develop much more slowly, so regarding her I would agree with you. Regarding KatieMac's value to the team, someone should refer to this season's statistics and calculate the PHARTS rating for all players. Let's be objective about this. While not perfect, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan reign supreme by this metric. It leaves out Blocks, but if we included that then we couldn't name it PHARTS: PHARTS = (Points Halved + Assists + Rebounds – Turnovers + Steals) / Minutes |
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Post by 411500 on Apr 16, 2018 9:25:46 GMT -8
The PHARTS formula is new to me. That doesn't mean it IS new, but just to me.
YES, I'd be interested to see how different Beaver players chart out on this scale..(Not quite interested enough to do the calculations myself, but nevertheless interested.)
I will let you know in advance, however, that if Katie Mc doesn't score well on PHARTS chart, so much the worse for the chart!!🏀🎱
Meteorology is great, but you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 9:31:29 GMT -8
The PHARTS formula is new to me. That doesn't mean it IS new, but just to me. YES, I'd be interested to see how different Beaver players chart out on this scale..(Not quite interested enough to do the calculations myself, but nevertheless interested.) I will let you know in advance, however, that if Katie Mc doesn't score well on PHARTS chart, so much the worse for the chart!!🏀🎱 Meteorology is great, but you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.... GO BEAVS !! The wind blows in the direction of the PHARTS. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 16, 2018 10:17:52 GMT -8
I appreciate the enthusiasm that thickhead and others have shown in their early video analysis of what Andrea Aquino may be able to bring to the table for the Beavs as early as her freshman season. Aquino appears to be well-skilled for a big, especially a 6'9" big, coming out of high school. However, it is also important to note that her production on the Nike EYBL AAU circuit as well as this past winter at Ribet Academy shows promising potential but not the type of dominance that the top players in the country in the Class of 2018 have consistently shown over the past two years. Aquino's circumstances are unusual, as is her combination of height and skill. I really like her potential and will look forward to seeing what she may be able to do for the Beavs following consistent skills and strength training at OSU. Before we anoint her as the answer in the middle to the graduation of Marie Gulich, let's exercise patience and give her a chance to improve and get stronger before her impact at the PAC-12 level can be adequately evaluated. Aquino averaged 10.1 points, 6.2 boards, and 3.7 blocked shots per game at Ribet Academy this past winter in 15 games while shooting 43% from the field and 65% from the free throw line. www.maxpreps.com/athlete/andrea-aquino/Ls7TVbppEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/gendersport/girls-basketball-stats.htm#year=17-18 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 10:25:52 GMT -8
I appreciate the enthusiasm that thickhead and others have shown in their early video analysis of what Andrea Aquino may be able to bring to the table for the Beavs as early as her freshman season. Aquino appears to be well-skilled for a big, especially a 6'9" big, coming out of high school. However, it is also important to note that her production on the Nike EYBL AAU circuit as well as this past winter at Ribet Academy shows promising potential but not the type of dominance that the top players in the country in the Class of 2018 have consistently shown over the past two years. Aquino's circumstances are unusual, as is her combination of height and skill. I really like her potential and will look forward to seeing what she may be able to do for the Beavs following consistent skills and strength training at OSU. Before we anoint her as the answer in the middle to the graduation of Marie Gulich, let's exercise patience and give her a chance to improve and get stronger before her impact at the PAC-12 level can be adequately evaluated. Aquino averaged 10.1 points, 6.2 boards, and 3.7 blocked shots per game at Ribet Academy this past winter in 15 games. www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/ribet-academy-fighting-frogs-(los-angeles,ca)/girls-basketball/stats.htm Hard to judge by her stats. If you look at the video in that "all star" game, you can see that she was not playing close to the bucket and the other players were being hotdogs. There was no concerted attempt to get her the ball close to the bucket at all, which might make sense if you want to be fair to the other players. It might also speak to AA's mindset: Maybe she WANTS the other players involved and thinks there are things more important than just wining the game. Hard to tell. Her stats in NJ were 18 ppg, 12 rpg, and 6 bpg. AA won't replace Gulich: Marie is a more rugged athlete and quicker than AA just due to her build. However, AA could fit in quickly as a back-to-the basket player like Ruth Hamblin. RH averaged 12 ppg, 10 rpg, and about 4 bpg per game as a senior, and I see AA as potentially that kind of player early in her career. (And AA can consistently hit a shot from 3 feet away, unlike RH. AA has skills that RH could only dream of.) |
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Post by lotrader on Apr 16, 2018 13:37:34 GMT -8
We don't need AA to shoot 3's, we have many better 3-point shooters than we don't have spots in the starting lineup today. We need a post player that can rebound, change the offensive player's shot (or block shot), and be a terrific passer from the post. I have no doubt she can score from 10-15 feet, but we need a center who can get an offensive rebound and put back a missed shot, which requires rebounding position, strength to fight off the other team's BIGs, and, stamina. That is a lot to ask of a freshman, and the college game is a HUGE jump, particularly for the women's game. It will be so interesting to see what is our starting 5 and who come's off the bench and get playing time. Can't wait for next season!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 13:59:02 GMT -8
It's only April so even way-too-early comments are too early.🏀 But I think we should get ready for a Beaver starting 5 where Tara C. is the biggest and tallest player. GO BEAVS !! It's true that AA will need to learn the plays, and defense especially. However, if you've seen her video, all you have to do with her is plant her anywhere close to the basket and she immediately becomes your best offensive threat. At 6'9" she is virtually unstoppable from that range and has a great feel for her shot. So yes, SR might not start her, either to encourage her to learn faster or to keep the pressure off her, but there's NO question that she could contribute greatly to the offense at our position of greatest need, almost from day one. Add in her shot-blocking and rebounding ability and it's a no-brainer. Patricia is less of a threat offensively, lacking AA's shooting touch, so her playing time could develop much more slowly, so regarding her I would agree with you. Regarding KatieMac's value to the team, someone should refer to this season's statistics and calculate the PHARTS rating for all players. Let's be objective about this. While not perfect, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan reign supreme by this metric. It leaves out Blocks, but if we included that then we couldn't name it PHARTS: PHARTS = (Points Halved + Assists + Rebounds – Turnovers + Steals) / Minutes
Name Mins Pts Ast Reb TO ST PHART
Gulich 1059 595 58 311 88 19 56.42
Tudor 1016 407 39 152 47 26 36.76
Pivec 992 378 169 240 100 27 52.92
McWilliams 1112 275 130 138 55 8 32.24
Corosdale 802 226 57 139 37 16 35.91
Goodman 515 194 65 55 39 15 37.48
Kalmer 566 191 60 74 36 10 35.95
Grymek 281 117 4 86 19 2 46.80
Washington 403 76 48 77 32 7 34.24
Thropay 129 11 9 26 13 3 23.64
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 16, 2018 14:04:54 GMT -8
It's true that AA will need to learn the plays, and defense especially. However, if you've seen her video, all you have to do with her is plant her anywhere close to the basket and she immediately becomes your best offensive threat. At 6'9" she is virtually unstoppable from that range and has a great feel for her shot. So yes, SR might not start her, either to encourage her to learn faster or to keep the pressure off her, but there's NO question that she could contribute greatly to the offense at our position of greatest need, almost from day one. Add in her shot-blocking and rebounding ability and it's a no-brainer. Patricia is less of a threat offensively, lacking AA's shooting touch, so her playing time could develop much more slowly, so regarding her I would agree with you. Regarding KatieMac's value to the team, someone should refer to this season's statistics and calculate the PHARTS rating for all players. Let's be objective about this. While not perfect, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan reign supreme by this metric. It leaves out Blocks, but if we included that then we couldn't name it PHARTS: PHARTS = (Points Halved + Assists + Rebounds – Turnovers + Steals) / Minutes
Name Minutes Points Assists Rebounds Turnovers Steals PHART
Gulich 1059 595 58 311 88 19 56.42
Tudor 1016 407 39 152 47 26 36.76
Pivec 992 378 169 240 100 27 52.92
McWilliams 1112 275 130 138 55 8 32.24
Corosdale 802 226 57 139 37 16 35.91
Goodman 515 194 65 55 39 15 37.48
Kalmer 566 191 60 74 36 10 35.95
Grymek 281 117 4 86 19 2 46.80
Washington 403 76 48 77 32 7 34.24
Thropay 129 11 9 26 13 3 23.64Any stat that has Katie less valuable than Washington, Joanna, Goodman, Taylor, and TC... is worth as much as the paper it's written on! And, yep... it's online! Cuz it is basically a fake stat invented by a data guy who likes hoops, played fantasy basketball back in like 2011-12. So invaluable and accurate by the way that when used to figure NBA player rankings Kobe didn't make the list of the TOP 25!! 😉 Also, why you NEVER hear it discussed! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 14:14:56 GMT -8
Here are all of our players' PHART scores times 100. They indicate Gulich and Pivec are our most valuable players.
Name Minutes Points Assists Rebounds Turnovers Steals PHART
Gulich 1059 595 58 311 88 19 56.42
Tudor 1016 407 39 152 47 26 36.76
Pivec 992 378 169 240 100 27 52.92
McWilliams 1112 275 130 138 55 8 32.24
Corosdale 802 226 57 139 37 16 35.91
Goodman 515 194 65 55 39 15 37.48
Kalmer 566 191 60 74 36 10 35.95
Grymek 281 117 4 86 19 2 46.80
Washington 403 76 48 77 32 7 34.24
Thropay 129 11 9 26 13 3 23.64 Any stat that has Katie less valuable than Washington, Joanna, Goodman, Taylor, and TC... is worth as much as the paper it's written on! And, yep... it's online! 😉 Also, why you NEVER hear it discussed! Looks to me like she played a lot of minutes but just used a lot of them standing around lookin' pretty. Can't argue with statistics! |
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Post by 411500 on Apr 16, 2018 14:20:02 GMT -8
thickhead - thanks for doing the work on this. Interesting to say the least....
Gulich leads the way and that seems sensible considering her game in and game out performance level...
Some of the scores for other players seem inflated...but like you say, it's just one assessment tool for evaluating player performance.
You will note that PHART chart has no category for solid defense, for blocking out on the boards, for helping out a teammate, for hustle plays, for leadership, etc. But that is understandable as these skills are really hard to quantify.
Food for thought.....
GO BEAVS !!
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