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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 14:24:47 GMT -8
thickhead - thanks for doing the work on this. Interesting to say the least.... Gulich leads the way and that seems sensible considering her game in and game out performance level... Some of the scores for other players seem inflated...but like you say, it's just one assessment tool for evaluating player performance. You will note that PHART chart has no category for solid defense, for blocking out on the boards, for helping out a teammate, for hustle plays, for leadership, etc. But that is understandable as these skills are really hard to quantify. Food for thought..... GO BEAVS !! Yeah, Baseball+1 isn't totally off-base in decrying my PHARTS scores. This score appears to put an emphasis on offense, and the other aspects are, as you say, hard to quantify. But I wouldn't say that it scored Goodman, Corosdale, and Tudor incorrectly relative to KM. They are valuable players. |
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 16, 2018 14:41:30 GMT -8
But I wouldn't say that it scored Goodman, Corosdale, and Tudor incorrectly relative to KM. They are valuable players. Are you kidding? This has Katie behind everyone but Janessa. And I love Jo, but is she the third best player on the team? It's a joke. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 15:36:19 GMT -8
If you include Blocks into the calculation, the score becomes BPHARTS instead of PHARTS, and if you only consider conference games, you get these results:
Name GP Mins Pts Ast Reb TO ST Blk BPHARTS
Gulich 18 34.1 337 34 171 46 9 54 63.62
Tudor 18 32.1 211 12 85 30 12 9 33.49
Pivec 18 30.8 171 88 133 61 14 6 47.89
McWilliams 18 33.2 159 69 68 32 3 13 33.55
Corosdale 18 25.1 122 36 71 17 8 12 37.85
Goodman 17 15.1 91 26 26 23 6 4 32.92
Kalmer 18 15.4 80 32 37 19 6 0 34.63
Grymek 15 7.8 44 1 42 12 1 6 51.28
Washington 18 11.0 36 20 39 20 4 2 31.82
Thropay 8 3.9 1 2 6 3 0 1 20.83
It's pretty clear that things didn't improve much for KM in conference play. It's also clear that, to no one's surprise, Grymek is our 2nd-best player.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 16, 2018 16:21:02 GMT -8
If you include Blocks into the calculation, the score becomes BPHARTS instead of PHARTS, and if you only consider conference games, you get these results: Name GP Mins Pts Ast Reb TO ST Blk BPHARTS
Gulich 18 34.1 337 34 171 46 9 54 63.62
Tudor 18 32.1 211 12 85 30 12 9 33.49
Pivec 18 30.8 171 88 133 61 14 6 47.89
McWilliams 18 33.2 159 69 68 32 3 13 33.55
Corosdale 18 25.1 122 36 71 17 8 12 37.85
Goodman 17 15.1 91 26 26 23 6 4 32.92
Kalmer 18 15.4 80 32 37 19 6 0 34.63
Grymek 15 7.8 44 1 42 12 1 6 51.28
Washington 18 11.0 36 20 39 20 4 2 31.82
Thropay 8 3.9 1 2 6 3 0 1 20.83
It's pretty clear that things didn't improve for much for KM in conference play. It's also clear that, to no one's surprise, Grymek is our 2nd-best player.
All you haters trash talking my gal Jo can stick it. The numbers don't lie! |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 16, 2018 17:17:00 GMT -8
I don't know what Rueck is thinking, playing KtMac all those minutes. We need a new coach, too bad we can't hire thickhead. With his vast knowledge of everything he must be the head coach of some world powerhouse.
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Post by osu82 on Apr 17, 2018 9:23:48 GMT -8
Interesting stats. Grymek the second best player on the team? I detect some tongue-in-cheek there, but good Lord,(closely) watch her minutes in the UT, Baylor, and UL games. I truly hope she has a massive off season development-wise because there's a spot wide open for her if she rises to it. The team certainly needs it. But wow, there's a long way to go.
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 17, 2018 13:08:35 GMT -8
UT was a TERRIBLE game for Jo. ZERO PHARTS in seven minutes. ZERO!
Of course, without her we probably lose that game. She was quietly impressive, and we actually cut into UT's lead with her on the floor.
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Post by 411500 on Apr 17, 2018 13:29:30 GMT -8
"She was quietly impressive...."
Not sure what you're getting at here. Could you let us know what was impressive, even quietly impressive, about her minutes in the Tennessee game.
Not doubting your assessment, just don't know what you mean....
I don't think she handled the ball even once in the offensive sets during her time on the floor. She did set a series of effective screens near the perimeter...
I've watched the Tennessee game at least 10 times, probably more. Help me out. I'm searching for post play encouragement. I didn't see any, so I'll be glad to learn what you saw,,,
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Post by jefframp on Apr 17, 2018 15:21:02 GMT -8
"She was quietly impressive...." Not sure what you're getting at here. Could you let us know what was impressive, even quietly impressive, about her minutes in the Tennessee game. Not doubting your assessment, just don't know what you mean.... I don't think she handled the ball even once in the offensive sets during her time on the floor. She did set a series of effective screens near the perimeter... I've watched the Tennessee game at least 10 times, probably more. Help me out. I'm searching for post play encouragement. I didn't see any, so I'll be glad to learn what you saw,,, Scott mentioned a game in which he said "we probably don't win that game" without the defensive effort from Grymek. I can't say for sure if that was the UT game or the Baylor game.....but I'm thinking it was the UT game. No offensive production but she was disruptive defensively. |
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Post by rmancarl on Apr 20, 2018 20:53:07 GMT -8
Well, we all have our opinions, don't we? Here's a few of mine.
Katie Mc may not look great on a PHART chart, but her all around abilities....defense, ball handling, basketball smarts, etc. will most likely lead to her (barring injury) playing more minutes than anyone else on the team again next season. Katie became more aggressive the last half of last year, and I'll be shocked if she doesn't become even more aggressive next year knowing she must take on a leadership role as a senior. Coach R knows what he has in Katie, and that's why she played more minutes than anyone else last season.
AA (yes, I've watched videos of her games this past year), has great athletic abilities and natural basketball talent, but she has a lot to learn in positioning herself, battling for rebounds, and just learning the game of basketball. What an exciting future for her, but I expect most of next year will be viewing from the bench and learning the game the SR way. It also looks like she needs to learn to be more aggressive defensively (probably offensively too), and I would definitely give PM an advantage in that regard. PM looks to be a better post player right now, but AA has better skills away from the basket. I think PM may surprise some of us. I'm excited for her future at OSU as well.
Jasmine Simmons....I'm very high on her. I haven't heard anyone else say this, but I look at her as a more aggressive Katie Mc. Jasmine can do just about everything, and unlike AA, has been taught basketball for a long time by some of the best in Australia. Although I am super high on her abilities, I don't see much room for her to find playing time next season....and who knows if she has been taught the defensive emphasis SR will expect. I hope she has enough patience to hang in there and wait a year or two, because she came become a real player for the ladies Beavs.
Ok, enough for now....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 6:48:48 GMT -8
AA (yes, I've watched videos of her games this past year), has great athletic abilities and natural basketball talent, but she has a lot to learn in positioning herself, battling for rebounds, and just learning the game of basketball. What an exciting future for her, but I expect most of next year will be viewing from the bench and learning the game the SR way. It also looks like she needs to learn to be more aggressive defensively (probably offensively too), and I would definitely give PM an advantage in that regard. PM looks to be a better post player right now, but AA has better skills away from the basket. I think PM may surprise some of us. I'm excited for her future at OSU as well. Ok, enough for now.... "but I expect most of next year will be viewing from the bench" Well I hope you're wrong. Without an imposing inside presence to replace Marie, we are an average team, ending up somewhere in the lower half of the league next year. In conference play, Gulich averaged 19 ppg, 10 rpg, and 3 bpg, all of which needs to be replaced, and even with that we only got to 3rd place on the Pac. Jo doesn't have the hands and game smarts to do the job. Destiny Slocum is a great facilitator, and she will provide some lift next year, but without some way to counter the bigs that most teams in this league have, we're not going to make the NCAA tournament. AA is a top-10 high school recruit at a position of need for OSU. I think you're badly underestimating her first-year contribution, but I guess we'll have to see. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 21, 2018 11:28:40 GMT -8
"She was quietly impressive...." Not sure what you're getting at here. Could you let us know what was impressive, even quietly impressive, about her minutes in the Tennessee game. Not doubting your assessment, just don't know what you mean.... I don't think she handled the ball even once in the offensive sets during her time on the floor. She did set a series of effective screens near the perimeter... I've watched the Tennessee game at least 10 times, probably more. Help me out. I'm searching for post play encouragement. I didn't see any, so I'll be glad to learn what you saw,,, If a player can shut down the defensively middle and set screens that work for the offense they really don't need to touch the ball. If they can block out on rebounding so the other team's rebounder is out of position and a teammate can get the rebound they really don't need to rebound either. I didn't watch that particular game, but I watched a fair amount of both the men's and women's teams play this season and have thought pretty much all season long (til late season when the men seemed to have a bit of an epiphany) the gal's did a lot better blocking out under the boards. You can't always look at the stat line and determine a player's value in that game. It'll be interesting to see how the minutes at the 5 position get spread around next season. |
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