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Post by beaverintheberg on Apr 4, 2018 7:57:43 GMT -8
Yes, Burns really looked good. Big plus from the night!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 4, 2018 7:58:48 GMT -8
For those that didn't see it and don't get on Twitter... Thanks for that. I forget about Twitter. I started out watching. I was through my first glass of Pendlton while we were giving up 5. So I turned the feed off and just watched the gametracker. (I miss the GT that had the little guys running around) Then the Beavs started with the comeback and I turned the feed back on. Nevada made the comeback. I turned off and GT says Rutschman HR! wtf I don't know what the final scoring was but the looked like a single & 3 base error to me The ball bounces cleanly over the head of a diving outfielder, untouched. No error can be (or should be) assigned. Mental error, yes. But not a physical error, which is how scoring must be determined. |
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Post by kersting13 on Apr 4, 2018 8:11:19 GMT -8
It was really hard to tell where the pitches were from the live feed. MP seems to say "low" on pitches that look pretty far up in the zone! Having played a lot of outfield I feel for the kid from Nevada, a little misjudgement cost them bigly. Hope everyone appreciates the collection of very good centerfielders the Beavs have. I think the kid's biggest mistake was not thinking situationally. The decision to dive at that ball was the real mistake. With 2 outs and nobody on, you can't take a chance like that. Just make sure you keep the guy to a single and let your pitcher do his thing. If that's 2 outs and a man in scoring position, he absolutely has to make that dive. Just one of those "little things" that you make a note of for the future and don't ever make that same mistake again. And, yes, the Beavers have had quite a few very good outfielders. In all honesty, I felt John Wallace was one of our best fundamental outfielders ever. I thought he took real good routes to the ball, always stayed behind it, etc, etc. Obviously, he was also good at digging the ball out of the LF corner and making the throw to the cutoff man.  |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 4, 2018 8:45:14 GMT -8
I don't know what the final scoring was but the looked like a single & 3 base error to me That's what I was thinking. Another thought I had was that the ball had a lot of top spin on it after AR hit it causing it to take an unexpected dive in front of the CF and also causing the long roll to the fence. Adley runs pretty fast for a catcher too. He also appears to be Krzmarzick's Kryptonite as both games ended with Rutschman striking the ball. I thought that at first, but if the center fielder had made contact with the ball, I doubt it would have rolled on a straight line all the way to the fence. It had a lot of top spin, and I am not even sure he was diving for it as much as trying to adjust to the nosedive the ball took. I'll give the home kid the benefit of the doubt and call it an inside the parker; the last thing the Nevada outfielder needs to carry around is a 3 base error, let alone what he is dealing with now. |
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Post by zeroposter on Apr 4, 2018 9:26:18 GMT -8
Thanks for that. I forget about Twitter. I started out watching. I was through my first glass of Pendlton while we were giving up 5. So I turned the feed off and just watched the gametracker. (I miss the GT that had the little guys running around) Then the Beavs started with the comeback and I turned the feed back on. Nevada made the comeback. I turned off and GT says Rutschman HR! wtf I don't know what the final scoring was but the looked like a single & 3 base error to me The ball bounces cleanly over the head of a diving outfielder, untouched. No error can be (or should be) assigned. Mental error, yes. But not a physical error, which is how scoring must be determined. Henry has it exactly correct. |
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Post by beaverweaver on Apr 4, 2018 9:57:16 GMT -8
Beaver players thought their guy was getting squeezed by the ump all night, but there sure wasn't any squeezing involved in the big bomb inning. Beaver hitters were also complaining. Now, Nevada players for the most part were pleased. The big thing is that The ump called the close, low strike, but nothing much at all above the belly button. Nevada pitchers were keeping the ball at the bottom of the zone a lot more consistently. In the 8th, the ump might have missed a few. The ball Nathan Burns threw that would have struck out the last Nevada guy was a strike all night. In the bottom half, the pitch that Cadyn walked on was a strike in. 99% of games. Then Nevada pitchers threw about 9 pitches in a row that could easily have been the low strike earlier in the game. Both coaches were chipping a lot. On a separate note, Burns looked good. Light years ahead of his command down in Surprise. Good stuff and velocity. I also thought Abel had his best command, change-up, and curve since Surprise once he got loose. Thanks for the ‘eyes and ears’ info! I sure appreciate that sort of post over the Personal Spat posts that sometimes infect this otherwise useful website. Yes, thanks for the additional observations on the balls/strikes. There were a lot of really low strikes called from my angle and the inconsistent may be a better way to call the strike zone. I was surprised Burns didn't continue but figure it was a case of finishing on a high note. I suspect we will see him again in the near future. |
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Post by kersting13 on Apr 4, 2018 10:15:06 GMT -8
Thanks for that. I forget about Twitter. I started out watching. I was through my first glass of Pendlton while we were giving up 5. So I turned the feed off and just watched the gametracker. (I miss the GT that had the little guys running around) Then the Beavs started with the comeback and I turned the feed back on. Nevada made the comeback. I turned off and GT says Rutschman HR! wtf I don't know what the final scoring was but the looked like a single & 3 base error to me The ball bounces cleanly over the head of a diving outfielder, untouched. No error can be (or should be) assigned. Mental error, yes. But not a physical error, which is how scoring must be determined. On Monday, I saw Kris Bryant range to his left and allow a ball to go under his glove. Never touched it. Error charged. In fairness, the ball was scorched, but Bryant was there in time but he completely misjudged the ball and let it under his glove. MLB scorers may be less generous than NCAA. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 4, 2018 10:31:31 GMT -8
The ball bounces cleanly over the head of a diving outfielder, untouched. No error can be (or should be) assigned. Mental error, yes. But not a physical error, which is how scoring must be determined. On Monday, I saw Kris Bryant range to his left and allow a ball to go under his glove. Never touched it. Error charged. In fairness, the ball was scorched, but Bryant was there in time but he completely misjudged the ball and let it under his glove. MLB scorers may be less generous than NCAA. The key... it's in the scorers hands. No matter the hard and fast "rules" the official scorer makes the call. In MLB scoring decisions can be changed, but typically not big "news". OSU being at home, HR... earned run. Nevada's "book"/coaches may indeed have/see it different. The only thing that must ultimately match is the assigned W and L... There are disparities in scoring/books since it does depend on the scorer... who believe it or not can be biased! But, of course never in Corvallis! 😁 |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 4, 2018 11:01:15 GMT -8
The ball bounces cleanly over the head of a diving outfielder, untouched. No error can be (or should be) assigned. Mental error, yes. But not a physical error, which is how scoring must be determined. On Monday, I saw Kris Bryant range to his left and allow a ball to go under his glove. Never touched it. Error charged. In fairness, the ball was scorched, but Bryant was there in time but he completely misjudged the ball and let it under his glove. MLB scorers may be less generous than NCAA. There is a difference in the ball going under the glove, and the ball bouncing completely over the player. On a normal hit on that turf, the ball is going to come up into the player - he was only a few feet behind where it hit - but the topspin on the ball gave it a really high rebound off of the turf - 9 times out of 10 a shot like that would have been stopped with the low angle of attack by the outfielder, but it bounced 6 ft into the air almost straight up - I feel so badly for that guy. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 4, 2018 13:29:29 GMT -8
The ball bounces cleanly over the head of a diving outfielder, untouched. No error can be (or should be) assigned. Mental error, yes. But not a physical error, which is how scoring must be determined. On Monday, I saw Kris Bryant range to his left and allow a ball to go under his glove. Never touched it. Error charged. In fairness, the ball was scorched, but Bryant was there in time but he completely misjudged the ball and let it under his glove. MLB scorers may be less generous than NCAA. Had Rutschman's ball gone through the CF's five-hole, or bounced off his glove, etc., it would have been ruled a hit and a three-base error, unearned run. It did not. It bounced completely over him, untouched. Once he committed to the ball he had no play when it bounced so high. Home run. Earned run. The rule of scoring is, an error may be assigned on a missed play that required routine effort to make to retire the batter (or extends the AB, in the case of a foul ball), or to record an out elsewhere, or to prevent an extra base(s). Conversely, a hit may be awarded on a play that required more than a routine effort to make. This is why players are generally awarded a hit when an outfielder, after a long run, drops a ball he could have caught, especially when the player is diving, or when an infielder in the hole or charging a high-bounding ball muffs it. A ground ball going under the glove of an infielder in position to make the play, which you describe, and what happened last night to Nevada's CF are 180 degrees different. Hence the different ruling by the official scorer. As 1111 says, the rules are more guidelines than hard-and-fast. Official scorers vary from venue to venue. OSU's usual official scorer is not a staffer, and he is generally pretty accurate. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Apr 4, 2018 16:49:10 GMT -8
It was really hard to tell where the pitches were from the live feed. MP seems to say "low" on pitches that look pretty far up in the zone! Having played a lot of outfield I feel for the kid from Nevada, a little misjudgement cost them bigly. Hope everyone appreciates the collection of very good centerfielders the Beavs have. I think the kid's biggest mistake was not thinking situationally. The decision to dive at that ball was the real mistake. With 2 outs and nobody on, you can't take a chance like that. Just make sure you keep the guy to a single and let your pitcher do his thing. If that's 2 outs and a man in scoring position, he absolutely has to make that dive. Just one of those "little things" that you make a note of for the future and don't ever make that same mistake again. And, yes, the Beavers have had quite a few very good outfielders. In all honesty, I felt John Wallace was one of our best fundamental outfielders ever. I thought he took real good routes to the ball, always stayed behind it, etc, etc. Obviously, he was also good at digging the ball out of the LF corner and making the throw to the cutoff man. K13, I would like to believe you about Wallace's proficiency at digging balls out of the left field corner, if they was just some sort of proof. maybe a video 
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Post by Tigardbeav on Apr 4, 2018 17:17:07 GMT -8
I think the kid's biggest mistake was not thinking situationally. The decision to dive at that ball was the real mistake. With 2 outs and nobody on, you can't take a chance like that. Just make sure you keep the guy to a single and let your pitcher do his thing. If that's 2 outs and a man in scoring position, he absolutely has to make that dive. Just one of those "little things" that you make a note of for the future and don't ever make that same mistake again. And, yes, the Beavers have had quite a few very good outfielders. In all honesty, I felt John Wallace was one of our best fundamental outfielders ever. I thought he took real good routes to the ball, always stayed behind it, etc, etc. Obviously, he was also good at digging the ball out of the LF corner and making the throw to the cutoff man. K13, I would like to believe you about Wallace's proficiency at digging balls out of the left field corner, if they was just some sort of proof. maybe a video
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Post by dK on Apr 4, 2018 21:48:47 GMT -8
K13, I would like to believe you about Wallace's proficiency at digging balls out of the left field corner, if they was just some sort of proof. maybe a video
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