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Post by bennyskid on Mar 27, 2018 13:35:35 GMT -8
I'd like to see the actual revenues by sport AND gender. I've found an article that had about 10 years of basketball results, with the last year being 2015. It used two different types of graphs, one for overall basketball revenues and one specifically on men's basketball revenues that wasn't very legible. It appears that in 2015, according to the two graphs, the Beaver basketball teams took in maybe about 8.5-9 million bucks, and the men's basketball team took in maybe 4-5 million. If that's the case the women's team may have brought in about 4 million bucks. I assume TV or other alternative revenues are included in this some how because I'd find it hard to believe either team brounght in 4-5 million in ticket sales during that time. That hard to read graph cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8801225/BasketballMenWomenRev.png indicates the men did take in more than the women's team did, but not by all that much if I'm reading it right. I did find something that said OSU spent 3.5 mil or so on women's basketball on 4 some odd million in women's sports revenues. It's tough to say whether or not the women's basketball program is a money losing sport without seeing all the information in a single format in the same place. Revenues: Mens Basketball $6,321,026 Womens Basketball $3,519,817 Football $33,866,008 All Other: $7,090,967 I'm sure that virtually all of that "Other" is baseball. Note that this is just a part of the story. Nearly a third of AD revenues are not sport-specific. Similarly, half of the expenses are not allocated to specific teams. So there isn't a cut-and-dried answer regarding whether any particular program makes money. Source: ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/ The graph posted by D&S is taken from this: www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2017/7/6/15908798/brief-analysis-of-pac-12-football-and-basketball-revenues-and-expenditures-data-viz
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Post by bennyskid on Mar 27, 2018 13:40:06 GMT -8
This is interesting. Stanford reports MBB revenues of $6,971,688, WBB revenues of $21,440,365. This has to be BS. Stanford WBB attendance doesn't average 4000 per game, and I really doubt that their ticket prices are 5+ times what ours are. Something is really weird here.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 27, 2018 13:43:02 GMT -8
I don't know the numbers so sorry. Does Rueck make more than Casey? Last I saw... PC $850,008 SR $561,000 For 2017 PC is very close to $1 mil for '18
And I agree, SR makes plenty of money. If the women's games start selling out and their revenues double, you may be able to justify paying him more, but you can't afford to pay him 1/3 of the revenues that program brings in.
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 27, 2018 13:44:10 GMT -8
Rueck netted $76,750 for the Beavers' postseason run. A victory in the Elite Eight would have garnered another $70,000, most of which would have come from another Final Four berth ($60,000).
Rueck's base compensation for the season was $611,000. It will increase to $631,000 next season and reach its high point of $879,452 in the contract's final year.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 27, 2018 13:58:58 GMT -8
Prior to the 2015-16 season, there were four women's basketball coaches in the Big Ten alone that made more money than Rueck earned in 2017-18 according to an article I saw online. No Big Ten Team made the Sweet 16 this year.
Ohio State, Minnesota, Michigan, and Maryland all made the Round of 32. Minnesota lost by 28. Michigan lost by 22. Ohio State lost by 17. Maryland lost by 14.
There are schools out there struggling with the money to pay far above what we pay Rueck. Would he jump if we balked at a modest pay raise? I don't know, but I don't think that simply having a 10 year contract is enough to keep him.
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 27, 2018 15:16:00 GMT -8
Prior to the 2015-16 season, there were four women's basketball coaches in the Big Ten alone that made more money than Rueck earned in 2017-18 according to an article I saw online. No Big Ten Team made the Sweet 16 this year. Ohio State, Minnesota, Michigan, and Maryland all made the Round of 32. Minnesota lost by 28. Michigan lost by 22. Ohio State lost by 17. Maryland lost by 14. There are schools out there struggling with the money to pay far above what we pay Rueck. Would he jump if we balked at a modest pay raise? I don't know, but I don't think that simply having a 10 year contract is enough to keep him. just saw that Xavier's men's coach took the Louisville job. He was a player at Xavier and coached them to a number one seed.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 27, 2018 15:34:43 GMT -8
just saw that Xavier's men's coach took the Louisville job. He was a player at Xavier and coached them to a number one seed. Yep...paid him over $4M, more than doubling his salary. I just read that his wife is from Louisville, so that helps too.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 27, 2018 15:39:22 GMT -8
Prior to the 2015-16 season, there were four women's basketball coaches in the Big Ten alone that made more money than Rueck earned in 2017-18 according to an article I saw online. No Big Ten Team made the Sweet 16 this year. Ohio State, Minnesota, Michigan, and Maryland all made the Round of 32. Minnesota lost by 28. Michigan lost by 22. Ohio State lost by 17. Maryland lost by 14. There are schools out there struggling with the money to pay far above what we pay Rueck. Would he jump if we balked at a modest pay raise? I don't know, but I don't think that simply having a 10 year contract is enough to keep him. He's got a contract. If he doesn't want to honor it, tell him to "hit the bricks".
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Post by jdogge on Mar 27, 2018 15:40:11 GMT -8
Before you get your panties in a knot, nothing has been said or done. If, and it is a big if, Rueck does go to renegotiate his contact that is his choice as per his contact. However this has not happened yet so your little hissy fit is totally irrelevant. Actually... the only "hissy" was your post. I'm simply stating that there is no reason for the school to offer more than the current contract. Future successes are not guaranteed and OSU doesn't owe for past success... they paid for it. From above... students besides student athletes coming to OSU purely because of WBB? I'd love to see those #s... Also from above, the "supply and demand" argugment is also moot. There are very few WBB jobs out there paying what OSU is, guaranteed for 10 years, and at the COL of Corvallis. SR is not giving OSU any discount. OSU offered SR and family a stay at home job, in an environment he can thrive, that sets them up for life. He's free to seek employment anywhere else be wants within terms of his contract. If he leaves for more money it'll ultimately be his choice... and, his loss. He has it very very good... and the grass will not be greener. Look, we have a top tier WBB coach. Pay the man. It's one fewer sport we have to worry about building.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 27, 2018 15:48:36 GMT -8
I'd like to see the actual revenues by sport AND gender. I've found an article that had about 10 years of basketball results, with the last year being 2015. It used two different types of graphs, one for overall basketball revenues and one specifically on men's basketball revenues that wasn't very legible. It appears that in 2015, according to the two graphs, the Beaver basketball teams took in maybe about 8.5-9 million bucks, and the men's basketball team took in maybe 4-5 million. If that's the case the women's team may have brought in about 4 million bucks. I assume TV or other alternative revenues are included in this some how because I'd find it hard to believe either team brounght in 4-5 million in ticket sales during that time. That hard to read graph cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8801225/BasketballMenWomenRev.png indicates the men did take in more than the women's team did, but not by all that much if I'm reading it right. I did find something that said OSU spent 3.5 mil or so on women's basketball on 4 some odd million in women's sports revenues. It's tough to say whether or not the women's basketball program is a money losing sport without seeing all the information in a single format in the same place. Revenues: Mens Basketball $6,321,026 Womens Basketball $3,519,817 Football $33,866,008 All Other: $7,090,967 I'm sure that virtually all of that "Other" is baseball. Note that this is just a part of the story. Nearly a third of AD revenues are not sport-specific. Similarly, half of the expenses are not allocated to specific teams. So there isn't a cut-and-dried answer regarding whether any particular program makes money. Source: ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/ The graph posted by D&S is taken from this: www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2017/7/6/15908798/brief-analysis-of-pac-12-football-and-basketball-revenues-and-expenditures-data-vizIf I'm reading the downloads from that ope.ed.gov site it appears they were able to bring in enough revenues to cover expenses (or vice versa) in women's basketball, at least cook teh books enough to appear they matched. I'm thinking Scott gets another year with a nice raise on it. I assume his current planned raises remain the same unless he starts to shop around, then all bets are off.
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Post by beavadelic on Mar 27, 2018 16:06:23 GMT -8
Since many of you decline to read the Oregonian, you may have missed Danny Moran's article yesterday: Last year, his contract was extended through 2026-27 and will pay him upwards of $875K that season. I guess my question is this: can we afford to keep boosting his salary with all the other stuff we want to accomplish in that Master Plan? I don't think many of us anticipate NOT playing the Sweet Sixteen for the forseeable future, are we tacking on years and dollars every season now? That sounds a lot like a contract we hashed out for a former head football coach that wasn't very popular with the fan base. I mean, he's clearly a fantastic coach and we don't want to lose him, but we also aren't exactly in a position to be paying top dollar for a women's basketball coach....it's not like our revenue producing sports are really raking in extra cash these days. I just hope we're not reaching a point where some of the smaller sports (volleyball, swimming, crew, golf, etc) are cut to pay coaching salaries in other sports. Yes! We do what’s necessary to keep truly great coaches, especially when we believe they want to be here as long as they are wanted. To do anything less at OSU is a big mistake, IMO.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 27, 2018 17:24:10 GMT -8
Since many of you decline to read the Oregonian, you may have missed Danny Moran's article yesterday: Last year, his contract was extended through 2026-27 and will pay him upwards of $875K that season. I guess my question is this: can we afford to keep boosting his salary with all the other stuff we want to accomplish in that Master Plan? I don't think many of us anticipate NOT playing the Sweet Sixteen for the forseeable future, are we tacking on years and dollars every season now? That sounds a lot like a contract we hashed out for a former head football coach that wasn't very popular with the fan base. I mean, he's clearly a fantastic coach and we don't want to lose him, but we also aren't exactly in a position to be paying top dollar for a women's basketball coach....it's not like our revenue producing sports are really raking in extra cash these days. I just hope we're not reaching a point where some of the smaller sports (volleyball, swimming, crew, golf, etc) are cut to pay coaching salaries in other sports. Yes! We do what’s necessary to keep truly great coaches, especially when we believe they want to be here as long as they are wanted. To do anything less at OSU is a big mistake, IMO. "Do what's necessary"?? Not! See recent history of schools overpaying for the past. To do anything that makes a coach bigger than the program or school is ludicrous. OSU is not rich. OSU is more than WBB. And, SR himself proves there are a plethora of quality coaches out there... at all levels. SR will make close to $7mil (over his last 10 yrs) on his recent extension. Plenty. And, if the program stops going to Sweet 16s, post seasons?
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 27, 2018 20:43:38 GMT -8
I get the feeling that if SR said "naw, I'm good" you guys are going to be disappointed.
Maybe a nice "FIRE SR, he might ask for a raise" T-shirt will keep you happy?
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Post by nabeav on Mar 28, 2018 12:19:00 GMT -8
Rueck is a good coach. He's a great coach. He's been here eight seasons now with 5 straight NCAA appearances. It's ridiculous to think that I (or anyone else) wants him fired.
I just find it crazy that we would allow him to renegotiate his contract every time he made the sweet 16, whether he wants to do it or not. To me it's no different than tacking on a year every time Riley made a bowl game. The Sweet Sixteen is not some sort of epic milestone - I can't even name all the teams in the sweet 16 in this year's men's tournament off the top of my head, and they all played less than a week ago. I'd say the football equivalent of the sweet 16 would be the third tier Pac-12 game - the Holiday Bowl. It's a good bowl (and I realize that Riley never played in it), but the rollover was added to his contract in 2009, when we were coming off four straight seasons of finishing no worse than 3rd in the Pac-12. In each of those years, I think it's reasonable to assume that Oregon State would've had a very good shot of making the final 16 if college football had a similar postseason format to college basketball. AT THE TIME in 2009, I don't think Riley's contract looked all that bad. We were on our best sustained stretch of football in at least 40 years, we were able to keep a coach who had been courted by USC, UCLA, Alabama, etc. at the lowest salary in the Pac-12, and then he had a few down years and people were like "THIS CONTRACT IS HAMSTRINGING US SO BADLY." Ironically, I think we would've owed Gary Andersen just as much if not more money than we would've owed Riley had we let him go instead of him leaving.
Let me be clear. I want Scott Rueck to be the head coach at Oregon State for as long as he wants to be the head coach at Oregon State. He is winning games now with players who were not even in the program when he made his first NCAA tournament in 2014. That means to me that, regardless of a few down years or underachieving tournament runs that we will inevitably endure in the future, he should still be our coach. I feel the same about Pat Casey, Tanya Chaplin, Jim Zalesky, and Mike Riley. All of those coaches have proven themselves to be excellent coaches regardless of who the athletes were on the field. They all gave us an excellent chance to be successful.
When we start paying coaches "whatever it takes" though, there becomes not only an expectation of reaching the highest levels of the sport, but also an almost necessity of it. We become intolerant of missed recruiting classes, unfortunate injuries, untimely transfers and we are left with a highly paid coach that is not returning results commensurate with that salary, and we're left handwringing about buyouts and the like - we extended LaVonda Wagner based on her increasing success as well. Obviously she had to go, but my guess is that she would've been here at least three more seasons with similar 4-14 conference records had she not become a rage monster that drove her entire team to transfer, based solely on the fact that it would've saved us around $1.2M to keep her on.
Then again, were it not for LaVonda's buyout, we might not have hired Rueck. The buyout probably eliminated established D-1 coaches or even assistants at big universities from consideration, leaving us with a pool of only lower division or unheralded coaches to choose from.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 28, 2018 13:08:44 GMT -8
The Sweet Sixteen is not some sort of epic milestone - I can't even name all the teams in the sweet 16 in this year's men's tournament off the top of my head, and they all played less than a week ago. I'd say the football equivalent of the sweet 16 would be the third tier Pac-12 game - the Holiday Bowl. There are more than 320 teams playing college basketball. Making the field, and then winning twice to make the Sweet 16 is a very significant accomplishment. I do agree that he's compensated more than fairly. But equating the Holiday Bowl to the Sweet 16 is a bit of a reach, IMHO. Others may disagree.
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