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Post by nabeav on Mar 27, 2018 8:09:20 GMT -8
Since many of you decline to read the Oregonian, you may have missed Danny Moran's article yesterday:
Last year, his contract was extended through 2026-27 and will pay him upwards of $875K that season.
I guess my question is this: can we afford to keep boosting his salary with all the other stuff we want to accomplish in that Master Plan? I don't think many of us anticipate NOT playing the Sweet Sixteen for the forseeable future, are we tacking on years and dollars every season now? That sounds a lot like a contract we hashed out for a former head football coach that wasn't very popular with the fan base.
I mean, he's clearly a fantastic coach and we don't want to lose him, but we also aren't exactly in a position to be paying top dollar for a women's basketball coach....it's not like our revenue producing sports are really raking in extra cash these days. I just hope we're not reaching a point where some of the smaller sports (volleyball, swimming, crew, golf, etc) are cut to pay coaching salaries in other sports.
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Post by lefty on Mar 27, 2018 8:23:57 GMT -8
As far as I am concerned sign the check (contract) and leave the amount blank for SR to fill out. He still will be underpaid.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 27, 2018 10:12:55 GMT -8
Can we afford not to? Just think how much not finishing out Riley's contract cost the football program, therefore the athletic program, in just three years.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 27, 2018 10:50:32 GMT -8
Can we afford not to? Just think how much not finishing out Riley's contract cost the football program, therefore the athletic program, in just three years. Apples to oranges... WBB is not even a break even sport. No matter how many Sweet 16s OSU is in no position to keep raising the salary of the WBB coach. In very very few places in the country is WBB "front page news" as far as the Athletic department and university goes. It's great, but WBB success does not and will not ever drive the ADs agenda/budget. If SR wants more $ then he's not exactly what he represented as an OSU lifer. He is paid and guaranteed a VERY good salary and life for his family for the next 9-10 years. Until football is back on its feet no sport budgets should be increased. If it is my understanding it is what our AD reiterated earlier this year... a higher % will be going to football less to other sports. As good as the WBB has been SR and staff do not get raises when looking at the big picture. |
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 27, 2018 11:23:45 GMT -8
Since many of you decline to read the Oregonian, you may have missed Danny Moran's article yesterday: Last year, his contract was extended through 2026-27 and will pay him upwards of $875K that season. I guess my question is this: can we afford to keep boosting his salary with all the other stuff we want to accomplish in that Master Plan? I don't think many of us anticipate NOT playing the Sweet Sixteen for the forseeable future, are we tacking on years and dollars every season now? That sounds a lot like a contract we hashed out for a former head football coach that wasn't very popular with the fan base. I mean, he's clearly a fantastic coach and we don't want to lose him, but we also aren't exactly in a position to be paying top dollar for a women's basketball coach....it's not like our revenue producing sports are really raking in extra cash these days. I just hope we're not reaching a point where some of the smaller sports (volleyball, swimming, crew, golf, etc) are cut to pay coaching salaries in other sports. You pay him what he wants, knowing that right now he's irreplaceable. Also, knowing that he is aware of the financial constraints of our university and it's athletic department. |
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 27, 2018 11:25:42 GMT -8
Can we afford not to? Just think how much not finishing out Riley's contract cost the football program, therefore the athletic program, in just three years. Apples to oranges... WBB is not even a break even sport. No matter how many Sweet 16s OSU is in no position to keep raising the salary of the WBB coach. In very very few places in the country is WBB "front page news" as far as the Athletic department and university goes. It's great, but WBB success does not and will not ever drive the ADs agenda/budget. If SR wants more $ then he's not exactly what he represented as an OSU lifer. He is paid and guaranteed a VERY good salary and life for his family for the next 9-10 years. Until football is back on its feet no sport budgets should be increased. If it is my understanding it is what our AD reiterated earlier this year... a higher % will be going to football less to other sports. As good as the WBB has been SR and staff do not get raises when looking at the big picture. Maybe it doesn't make sense for OSU, but it doesn't matter - it's supply and demand. Should SR be charitable to OSU just because he's alumni, and take potentially a big paycut compared to where he could get elsewhere? Is he obligated to effectively cut a check to OSU for whatever is market value is vs. his salary simply because he's "guaranteed a VERY good salary and life" that he could get at 100+ other places tomorrow? And I'd say it's naive to thing that ticket sales is the only revenue impact to be measured here. How many future students did OSU lock in recently by having a good women's program? (I'm guessing quite a few based on the our attendance profile) Enrollment numbers are a huge impact on the bottom line. My college affinity was established at 12 years old, primarily due to Gary Payton - fortunately OSU also had a good Engineering program. |
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Post by skyrider on Mar 27, 2018 11:33:32 GMT -8
Apples to oranges... WBB is not even a break even sport. No matter how many Sweet 16s OSU is in no position to keep raising the salary of the WBB coach. In very very few places in the country is WBB "front page news" as far as the Athletic department and university goes. It's great, but WBB success does not and will not ever drive the ADs agenda/budget. If SR wants more $ then he's not exactly what he represented as an OSU lifer. He is paid and guaranteed a VERY good salary and life for his family for the next 9-10 years. Until football is back on its feet no sport budgets should be increased. If it is my understanding it is what our AD reiterated earlier this year... a higher % will be going to football less to other sports. As good as the WBB has been SR and staff do not get raises when looking at the big picture. Maybe it doesn't make sense for OSU, but it doesn't matter - it's supply and demand. Should SR be charitable to OSU just because he's alumni, and take potentially a big paycut compared to where he could get elsewhere? Is he obligated to effectively cut a check to OSU for whatever is market value is vs. his salary simply because he's "guaranteed a VERY good salary and life" that he could get at 100+ other places tomorrow? And I'd say it's naive to thing that ticket sales is the only revenue impact to be measured here. How many future students did OSU lock in recently by having a good women's program? (I'm guessing quite a few based on the our attendance profile) Enrollment numbers are a huge impact on the bottom line. My college affinity was established at 12 years old, primarily due to Gary Payton - fortunately OSU also had a good Engineering program. |
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 27, 2018 11:34:17 GMT -8
Since many of you decline to read the Oregonian, you may have missed Danny Moran's article yesterday: Also, nice troll bait. I'll bite. Mike Riley never won an conference title, and never made a big time bowl game (something equivalent to a Final Four or Elite Eight). Both coaches turned around disastrous programs. And Mike Riley, was pretty dang popular with most fans even when the program was declining before he left for Nebraska. All and all a total apples to oranges comparison, but you knew that. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 27, 2018 11:38:11 GMT -8
Can we afford not to? Just think how much not finishing out Riley's contract cost the football program, therefore the athletic program, in just three years. Apples to oranges... WBB is not even a break even sport. No matter how many Sweet 16s OSU is in no position to keep raising the salary of the WBB coach. In very very few places in the country is WBB "front page news" as far as the Athletic department and university goes. It's great, but WBB success does not and will not ever drive the ADs agenda/budget. If SR wants more $ then he's not exactly what he represented as an OSU lifer. He is paid and guaranteed a VERY good salary and life for his family for the next 9-10 years. Until football is back on its feet no sport budgets should be increased. If it is my understanding it is what our AD reiterated earlier this year... a higher % will be going to football less to other sports. As good as the WBB has been SR and staff do not get raises when looking at the big picture. Before you get your panties in a knot, nothing has been said or done. If, and it is a big if, Rueck does go to renegotiate his contact that is his choice as per his contact. However this has not happened yet so your little hissy fit is totally irrelevant. |
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 27, 2018 12:07:56 GMT -8
I don't know the numbers so sorry. Does Rueck make more than Casey?
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 27, 2018 12:50:03 GMT -8
Apples to oranges... WBB is not even a break even sport. No matter how many Sweet 16s OSU is in no position to keep raising the salary of the WBB coach. In very very few places in the country is WBB "front page news" as far as the Athletic department and university goes. It's great, but WBB success does not and will not ever drive the ADs agenda/budget. If SR wants more $ then he's not exactly what he represented as an OSU lifer. He is paid and guaranteed a VERY good salary and life for his family for the next 9-10 years. Until football is back on its feet no sport budgets should be increased. If it is my understanding it is what our AD reiterated earlier this year... a higher % will be going to football less to other sports. As good as the WBB has been SR and staff do not get raises when looking at the big picture. Before you get your panties in a knot, nothing has been said or done. If, and it is a big if, Rueck does go to renegotiate his contact that is his choice as per his contact. However this has not happened yet so your little hissy fit is totally irrelevant. Actually... the only "hissy" was your post. I'm simply stating that there is no reason for the school to offer more than the current contract. Future successes are not guaranteed and OSU doesn't owe for past success... they paid for it. From above... students besides student athletes coming to OSU purely because of WBB? I'd love to see those #s... Also from above, the "supply and demand" argugment is also moot. There are very few WBB jobs out there paying what OSU is, guaranteed for 10 years, and at the COL of Corvallis. SR is not giving OSU any discount. OSU offered SR and family a stay at home job, in an environment he can thrive, that sets them up for life. He's free to seek employment anywhere else be wants within terms of his contract. If he leaves for more money it'll ultimately be his choice... and, his loss. He has it very very good... and the grass will not be greener. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 27, 2018 13:04:19 GMT -8
I don't know the numbers so sorry. Does Rueck make more than Casey? Last I saw... PC $850,008 SR $561,000 For 2017 |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 27, 2018 13:15:31 GMT -8
I'd like to see the actual revenues by sport AND gender. I've found an article that had about 10 years of basketball results, with the last year being 2015. It used two different types of graphs, one for overall basketball revenues and one specifically on men's basketball revenues that wasn't very legible. It appears that in 2015, according to the two graphs, the Beaver basketball teams took in maybe about 8.5-9 million bucks, and the men's basketball team took in maybe 4-5 million. If that's the case the women's team may have brought in about 4 million bucks. I assume TV or other alternative revenues are included in this some how because I'd find it hard to believe either team brounght in 4-5 million in ticket sales during that time. That hard to read graph cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8801225/BasketballMenWomenRev.png indicates the men did take in more than the women's team did, but not by all that much if I'm reading it right. I did find something that said OSU spent 3.5 mil or so on women's basketball on 4 some odd million in women's sports revenues. It's tough to say whether or not the women's basketball program is a money losing sport without seeing all the information in a single format in the same place. |
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Post by bennyskid on Mar 27, 2018 13:15:57 GMT -8
Also of note:
Chaplin, T 160K Chaplin, M 92k
Barnard 139k
Zalesky 145k
Boss 110k
Rhode 120k (Title IX compliant!)
Berg 110k (... or not.)
I'm sure all of these coaches have incentives that can increase their salaries dramatically. At OSU, these are usually given for academic as well as competitive achievements.
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 27, 2018 13:34:37 GMT -8
Niner's got alot of work to do 😃
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