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Post by obf on Mar 8, 2018 22:28:04 GMT -8
A .500 record, no embarrassing scandals or huge blowots. We were competitive in every single game. IIRC before the year I think I said I would be pleased with 17 wins, and that sentiment was pretty much the median expectation around here and of other Beaver fans I had talked to, so the results were in line with what we most were expecting. Now the WAY we achieved those results were annoying at times: - Losing to teams we should have (Kent St, Wyoming, etc)
- A bazillion game road losing streak
- Choking away multiple games with stupid turnovers, missed free throws, and long, Long, LONG scoring droughts...
But really this year was a HUGE step forward from last year, and even as the year went on you could see the team getting better and better.
The defense really shored up as the year went on, The offense, while ragged at times, started actually producing results. We saw flashes of brilliance from a couple of freshman in Ethan and Hollins, Stevie stepped up and was playing quite well in the second half of the Pac-12 schedule, and we even had a first team all pac-12 player!
Now hopefully they ALL come back next year, and we pick up a killer JUCO PG!
BTW, JUST SAY NO to the CBI... no need to PAY just to AT BEST prove that you are the 101st best team in the nation. Plus the possibility to go 0-1 is very real, and 16-16 just feels so much better than 16-17 would... Let Tres heal up, go concentrate on your studies, and cheer on the WBB and baseball team!
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 8, 2018 22:45:48 GMT -8
14 out of 17 of those losses were by less than 10 points. The other three by 13 to the same team, one by 10 was in OT. 5 losses within one possession. Really frustrating team to invest in emotionally. That aren't that far from being a tourney team, they beat a couple of them this year. Here's hoping they return intact next year and stay hungry until then.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 9, 2018 0:24:27 GMT -8
Couldn't agree more. I came into this season with the expectation of an NIT berth, which doesn't look like it's going to happen. That being said, this team made tremendous strides from the beginning of non-conference play. Before Pac-12 play started I was genuinely worried that this team would only find 2 or 3 wins with the way they were playing. But, the first weekend they showed up and dominated Colorado, had a game that IMHO was stolen from them against Utah, and then stomped on the throat of uo in the 2nd half the following week. There is a lot of talent on this team that should be coming back next year and I don't think there's a reason to believe they won't contend for a tournament appearance so long as everyone that isn't a senior returns.
Other than the games against USC (who we just simply don't match up well with whatsoever as they're the only team to beat us by double digits outside of the OT loss to Arizona), we had a chance in every game. There were frustrating losses (@cal, @asu, Wyoming, St. John's, Long Beach), but this team showed fight and determination and I'm very much looking forward to what they can do next season. I'm all in and will be at every game once again next season and I hope to see Gill become the fortress that it can become that will lift this team to an NCAA berth in 2019. Go Beavs!
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Post by nexus73 on Mar 9, 2018 7:02:58 GMT -8
Evaluating a coach after 4 years is the right thing to do IMO. It is obvious Tinkle is not delivering the desired results. 2017-18 was one for a weak Pac-12, one in which we should have been contending. The road game losing streak, despite being broken in Pullman, was horrific. One NCAA and no NIT in four years won't cut the mustard. One player (Tres T.) is all we got for Pac-12 all-conference at any level. No sellouts, not even the CW, at Gill.
If the fanbase wants more of the same ol', same ol', then stay in Wayne's World. Four years is enough of this mediocrity for me. The amount of empty seats at home games shows plenty of others feel the same way. If the AD wants the do-re-mi from a successful basketball program, then he had better get a coach who can build one and then keep it there.
Now to settle into enjoying what we do in baseball and hopefully see the football team show up for 4 quarters in all scheduled games.
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Post by beavs6 on Mar 9, 2018 8:02:49 GMT -8
Evaluating a coach after 4 years is the right thing to do IMO. It is obvious Tinkle is not delivering the desired results. 2017-18 was one for a weak Pac-12, one in which we should have been contending. The road game losing streak, despite being broken in Pullman, was horrific. One NCAA and no NIT in four years won't cut the mustard. One player (Tres T.) is all we got for Pac-12 all-conference at any level. No sellouts, not even the CW, at Gill. If the fanbase wants more of the same ol', same ol', then stay in Wayne's World. Four years is enough of this mediocrity for me. The amount of empty seats at home games shows plenty of others feel the same way. If the AD wants the do-re-mi from a successful basketball program, then he had better get a coach who can build one and then keep it there. Now to settle into enjoying what we do in baseball and hopefully see the football team show up for 4 quarters in all scheduled games. I think with all of the turmoil currently in NCAA Men's Basketball, we will have WT another year or 2. More pay-to-play info still come out.(IMO) As much as I would like to see more progress on the court, WT seems to run a clean program and to genuinely care for the kids. |
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Post by nabeav on Mar 9, 2018 8:26:59 GMT -8
One NCAA and no NIT in four years won't cut the mustard. Yeah, I much preferred the 25 years of no NCAA, one NIT, and a couple of CBIs. He's had three non-losing seasons in four tries. Jimmy Anderson, Eddie Payne, Ritchie McKay, Jay John, Kevin Mouton, and Craig Robinson combined for six such seasons in twenty-five tries. Let's keep this in perspective here. Besides, the last time we called for a guy to get canned for being "mediocre," he left and things got extremely crappy. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 9, 2018 9:05:53 GMT -8
Evaluating a coach after 4 years is the right thing to do IMO. It is obvious Tinkle is not delivering the desired results. 2017-18 was one for a weak Pac-12, one in which we should have been contending. The road game losing streak, despite being broken in Pullman, was horrific. One NCAA and no NIT in four years won't cut the mustard. One player (Tres T.) is all we got for Pac-12 all-conference at any level. No sellouts, not even the CW, at Gill. If the fanbase wants more of the same ol', same ol', then stay in Wayne's World. Four years is enough of this mediocrity for me. The amount of empty seats at home games shows plenty of others feel the same way. If the AD wants the do-re-mi from a successful basketball program, then he had better get a coach who can build one and then keep it there. Now to settle into enjoying what we do in baseball and hopefully see the football team show up for 4 quarters in all scheduled games. That's a bit harsh. Tinkle inherited a team whose top returning scorer averaged something like 2.8-4 points a game. Out of Robinson's entire last two signed recruiting classes only one player (Payton) finished their eligibility at OSU, the rest either retired or moved on. Tinkle inherited a storm and only had 1 season under the .500 mark (so far, the CBI could come into play for the final record). If you wanted better, it probably only happens if the coach brings in a lot of one-and-dones or transfers that got booted elsewhere (like TSDTR did). Personally I'd rather not see OSU go that route. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 9, 2018 9:10:02 GMT -8
One NCAA and no NIT in four years won't cut the mustard. Yeah, I much preferred the 25 years of no NCAA, one NIT, and a couple of CBIs. He's had three non-losing seasons in four tries. Jimmy Anderson, Eddie Payne, Ritchie McKay, Jay John, Kevin Mouton, and Craig Robinson combined for six such seasons in twenty-five tries. Let's keep this in perspective here. Besides, the last time we called for a guy to get canned for being "mediocre," he left and things got extremely crappy. A couple of CBIs? More like " 2009 CBI Champions" Ricky Claitt coming up nails in Game 3 vs mighty UTEP.. a 1 pt home nail-biter over freakin' Vermont in the 2nd round, live TV coverage exclusively on HDNET. Man, those were the days... #NeverForgetOkayYeahLetsForget |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 9, 2018 9:35:12 GMT -8
Yeah, I much preferred the 25 years of no NCAA, one NIT, and a couple of CBIs. He's had three non-losing seasons in four tries. Jimmy Anderson, Eddie Payne, Ritchie McKay, Jay John, Kevin Mouton, and Craig Robinson combined for six such seasons in twenty-five tries. Let's keep this in perspective here. Besides, the last time we called for a guy to get canned for being "mediocre," he left and things got extremely crappy. A couple of CBIs? More like " 2009 CBI Champions" Ricky Claitt coming up nails in Game 3 vs mighty UTEP.. a 1 pt home nail-biter over freakin' Vermont in the 2nd round, live TV coverage exclusively on HDNET. Man, those were the days... #NeverForgetOkayYeahLetsForget If the Beavs get into the CBI this year I'd expect them to do well. There are 100 teams going to the NCAA and NIT tournaments and Sagarin has us ranked in the low 90s. It's possible that the Beavers are better than that ranking the way they've been playing of late (USC is a difficult match-up for the Beavers, even if Tinkle were healthy). I think they'll be one of the better teams going in. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 9, 2018 9:46:50 GMT -8
Evaluating a coach after 4 years is the right thing to do IMO. It is obvious Tinkle is not delivering the desired results. 2017-18 was one for a weak Pac-12, one in which we should have been contending. The road game losing streak, despite being broken in Pullman, was horrific. One NCAA and no NIT in four years won't cut the mustard. One player (Tres T.) is all we got for Pac-12 all-conference at any level. No sellouts, not even the CW, at Gill. If the fanbase wants more of the same ol', same ol', then stay in Wayne's World. Four years is enough of this mediocrity for me. The amount of empty seats at home games shows plenty of others feel the same way. If the AD wants the do-re-mi from a successful basketball program, then he had better get a coach who can build one and then keep it there. Now to settle into enjoying what we do in baseball and hopefully see the football team show up for 4 quarters in all scheduled games. That's a bit harsh. Tinkle inherited a team whose top returning scorer averaged something like 2.8-4 points a game. Out of Robinson's entire last two signed recruiting classes only one player (Payton) finished their eligibility at OSU, the rest either retired or moved on. Tinkle inherited a storm and only had 1 season under the .500 mark (so far, the CBI could come into play for the final record). If you wanted better, it probably only happens if the coach brings in a lot of one-and-dones or transfers that got booted elsewhere (like TSDTR did). Personally I'd rather not see OSU go that route. Payton did not sign under Robinson. Robinson originally recruited him, but Tinkle had to re-recruit him and his first year was Tinkle's first. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 9, 2018 9:48:04 GMT -8
Evaluating a coach after 4 years is the right thing to do IMO. It is obvious Tinkle is not delivering the desired results. 2017-18 was one for a weak Pac-12, one in which we should have been contending. The road game losing streak, despite being broken in Pullman, was horrific. One NCAA and no NIT in four years won't cut the mustard. One player (Tres T.) is all we got for Pac-12 all-conference at any level. No sellouts, not even the CW, at Gill. If the fanbase wants more of the same ol', same ol', then stay in Wayne's World. Four years is enough of this mediocrity for me. The amount of empty seats at home games shows plenty of others feel the same way. If the AD wants the do-re-mi from a successful basketball program, then he had better get a coach who can build one and then keep it there. Now to settle into enjoying what we do in baseball and hopefully see the football team show up for 4 quarters in all scheduled games. Are you sure you want our current AD to hire a new BB coach? The last one that he hired went 0-18 this year in conference at Pitt and was canned after 2 years. |
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Post by imabeav on Mar 9, 2018 9:55:35 GMT -8
Nabeav mentioned the name Ritchie McKay. Practically makes me ill just re-typing it! Worst coach / leader Ever!
I believe with a little good fortune, eddie payne could have had a solid run. I'd like to see us give WT a bit more time. Wayne seems like a good man, a solid leader, but does need to bump up the recruiting results a bit. Then again other programs are rotten to the core in how they recruit....it is hard to shine when most others play by their own rules in recruiting.
I'd also like to see better ft shooting, better perimeter defense and more movement / less over dribbling on offense..... we need a real PG- one who has been playing that position for most of his playing career for instance.
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Post by obf on Mar 9, 2018 10:06:56 GMT -8
I'm all in and will be at every game once again next season and I hope to see Gill become the fortress that it can become that will lift this team to an NCAA berth in 2019. Go Beavs! I'll see you there! One of the things we can learn from the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad road losing streak is that Gill is a TRUE home court advantage. I am sure there are lots of negative things we can point to and learn about our team from the streak as well, but the drastic difference in play is at least partially do to Gill. I have been in a fair number of arena, and there is nothing quite a packed and boisterous Gill. Fans are right on top of the action, loud to the point of painful, HOT and humid, throw in the less than ideal, old school feel and locker rooms to make the opposing players slightly uneasy. I love Gill, now lets fill her up! |
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Post by obf on Mar 9, 2018 10:08:36 GMT -8
One NCAA and no NIT in four years won't cut the mustard. Yeah, I much preferred the 25 years of no NCAA, one NIT, and a couple of CBIs. He's had three non-losing seasons in four tries. Jimmy Anderson, Eddie Payne, Ritchie McKay, Jay John, Kevin Mouton, and Craig Robinson combined for six such seasons in twenty-five tries. Let's keep this in perspective here. Besides, the last time we called for a guy to get canned for being "mediocre," he left and things got extremely crappy. Man, we REALLY need a super thumbs up (It could be worth five regular ones?)... maybe limit it so each member can only give 1 a day or week or something... |
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Post by obf on Mar 9, 2018 10:19:00 GMT -8
That's a bit harsh. Tinkle inherited a team whose top returning scorer averaged something like 2.8-4 points a game. Out of Robinson's entire last two signed recruiting classes only one player (Payton) finished their eligibility at OSU, the rest either retired or moved on. Tinkle inherited a storm and only had 1 season under the .500 mark (so far, the CBI could come into play for the final record). If you wanted better, it probably only happens if the coach brings in a lot of one-and-dones or transfers that got booted elsewhere (like TSDTR did). Personally I'd rather not see OSU go that route. Payton did not sign under Robinson. Robinson originally recruited him, but Tinkle had to re-recruit him and his first year was Tinkle's first. <Sarcasm> Ah, I see. You must have missed the memo... Recruiting legacy players and progeny don't count! Come on! You know that!  <Sarcasm/> The folks who dismiss Tinkles recruiting of GP2 and his and coach Thompsons kids should get real. Familiarity with the school and with your Dad brings some advantages, sure, but IMHO it brings just as many if not more hurdles. There is a reason why the majority of home town kids that have the opportunity to leave town and go to a different school do... I know I did! And I regret it! Yup WT needs to keep recruiting at a high level, like he already has been |
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