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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2018 15:48:05 GMT -8
The parking garage is a multi-use facility, and I think it's one of the best uses of a building on campus. There will be no club section on the west side. That frees up a large area for year-round commercial use, that would also help pay for the construction. That said, a new west side would have very little impact on our competitiveness, since it does not help player development and has not been shown to me that it negatively impacts recruiting. I'd rather see money spent on coaching salaries, recruiting budgets, or on weight room/training table improvements and other things that impact the players every day. And I much rather spend what limited resources we have on improving the current sports instead of adding a money pit like men's track, a sport which has virtually no appeal to almost anyone outside of Eugene. If MT&F boosters can raise the money to fully endow it, fine. Otherwise, we're fine without it. I like UA's approach of including a dorm in their football stadium. I was wondering if that could potentially happen here and if it might allow easier bonding for the project if part of it was considered for academic purposes.
I think that the only way to ever get the west side completed is through some out of the box thinking by incorporating classroom space, commercial space on some other endeavor that make it a multi-purpose facility that could potentially draw revenue from outside of football games.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 27, 2018 21:23:51 GMT -8
if we could get 40K Beaver fans to show up to a game at Reser at roughly 50 bucks a pop (and that's probably on the low side) There is no way 40,000 fans at Reser pay an average of $50 or more for a ticket. Subtract 7-8k students, who don't pay up front. Subtract 17K season-ticket holders, who don't pay $50 a ticket. Subtract at least 1,000 comps (players, coaches, etc. from both teams, recruits, OSAA coaches, etc.). Subtract who knows how many tickets used for gifts in kind to boosters. Very few fans pay face value for a football ticket. I'd rather have a home game too, but $1.7 million is a nice chunk of change, a nice trip for the players and boosters, and exposure, even in defeat, we would n't get by playing Utah State or Idaho State. "Subtract 17K season-ticket holders, who don't pay $50 a ticket." Very few season ticket holders pay face value for their tickets. Heck, if you want to get season tix in the end-zone patio you've got to fork over 800 bucks (just about $130 a game) on top of your season tix for the privelege. A great many of the season ticket holders are paying double face value at a minimum after their seating donations. It'd be nice to see the numbers, but there are plenty of people paying 200-300 or more per seat per game in donations on top of thier season tickets for the privelege of sitting in Reser. There's a lot of giveaways, sure. The students are a huge portion of those. but if a third of the stadium is getting in for free and half the season ticket holders are sitting in $200+ a season donation levels, it more than offsets the freebies. www.osubeavers.com/documents/2017/11/21/2018_Football_Priority_Seating.pdf?_ga=2.51087977.1187596017.1519793886-1075851605.1519793886Filling the stadium is the key. People were griping in Riley's later years about a possible downturn in attendance, but he was still managing to get 40K+ average attendance in those seasons. We actually start winning again and give people a reason to come to the games there will be money flowing in.
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Post by nabeav on Feb 28, 2018 9:37:43 GMT -8
I’d definitely prefer a home and home vs. a major conference team, but if someone calls offering you $1.7M to play, I don’t think you just decline the offer immediately because you’ll probably lose.
I just don’t like the idea of talking about maximizing revenues and increasing donations when you’re declining that kind of money because you don’t want to get your butt kicked.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Feb 28, 2018 11:09:36 GMT -8
Home attendance by season per game (% of capacity): 1995 27,270 (77%) 1996 25,196 (71%) 1997 24,902 (70%) 1998 28,548 (81%) 1999 32,517 (92%) 2000 33,649 (95%) 2001 37,012 (105%) 2002 36,436 (103%) 2003 36,143 (102%) 2004 36,334 (103%) 2005 42,190 (97%) 2006 40,830 (94%) 2007 41,374 (91%) 2008 44,930 (98%) 2009 42,328 (93%) 2010 45,509 (100%) 2011 42,420 (93%)2012 43,424 (95%) 2013 42,964 (94%) 2014 42,176 (92%) 2015 36,079 (79%) 2016 37,622 (87%) 2017 34,754 (80%) Attendance last year was down over 20% from attendance in 2014. If season ticket sails were only down 15%, that is showing that the big Beaver fans have not given up on the program, which is a good thing. I crunched the numbers with some other posters on this board, and it appeared that Oregon State could add cross country and men's track and field and still be in compliance with Title IX. Maybe Barnes just realized this? BDC was terrible, and Stansbury was worse. It would not surprise me, if Barnes is the first AD to actually crunch the numbers, since bringing back a true men's track and field team became a reality in 2013. I am a big fan of Oregon State bringing back track and field. I believe that it will really help all facets of men's athletics, including the football team. I wonder what the numbers will be for 2018. I have already heard from 2 couples who are not renewing this year. They will buy single game tix instead. It appears to me that it is a value issue because they were in higher donation areas (club)
This may be a GAG gift that keeps on giving until CJS turns it around.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 28, 2018 12:12:56 GMT -8
I'll be shocked if season ticket sales don't fall further with the tax reform. Everyone currently paying for their premium seats with business funds is seriously rethinking the cost. Losing deductability is like a 40% price hike.
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 28, 2018 13:19:16 GMT -8
People were griping in Riley's later years about a possible downturn in attendance, but he was still managing to get 40K+ average attendance in those seasons. We actually start winning again and give people a reason to come to the games there will be money flowing in. No. The numbers that brought attendance even remotely near to 40K (in 2014 ) were due to massive "military day" ticket giveaways (most of the games vs. the usual one game per season) that highly inflated the numbers (like 4-5K minimum). As poor as the attendance drop-off was even in Andersen's first year, it would have been far worse had Riley remained (for 2015). Like 30K or under per game. You cannot make your numbers add up in any way, shape, or form to make a home Labor Day weekend game even remotely comparable (in income) to a $1.7M payout from Ohio State as the visiting team, so save it. The "OBN seat donation" part of the season ticket cost is an irrelevant factor in that equation. While I agree we wouldn't net our own $1.7 million for a home game, and there may have been a lot more comps in 2014 than years prior, I do have a really hard time believing we were comping 4,000-5,000 military day tickets for each home game in 2014.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 28, 2018 15:59:05 GMT -8
The parking garage is a multi-use facility, and I think it's one of the best uses of a building on campus. There will be no club section on the west side. That frees up a large area for year-round commercial use, that would also help pay for the construction; or for use as athletic department/sport offices, which would open possible commercial space in Gill Coliseum, or for a smaller academic unit of the university. That said, a new west side would have very little impact on our competitiveness, since it does not help player development and has not been shown to me that it negatively impacts recruiting. I'd rather see money spent on coaching salaries, recruiting budgets, or on weight room/training table improvements and other things that impact the players every day. And I much rather spend what limited resources we have on improving the current sports instead of adding a money pit like men's track, a sport which has virtually no appeal to almost anyone outside of Eugene. If MT&F boosters can raise the money to fully endow it, fine. Otherwise, we're fine without it. Oregon State Olympians: 1908 Forrest Smithson 110 Meter Hurdles Gold Medal 15.0 s Set a world record that would stand for 12 years.
1924 Ray Dodge 800 Meters 6th 1:54.2 Ray Dodge was the 1926 indoor champion.
1960 Lynn Eves 100 Meters/200 Meters/4x100 Relay 28th/37th/8th 10.8s/21.9s/41.1s
1964 Lahcen Akka Shot Put 18th
1964 Morgan Groth 800 Meters 31st 1:51.4 Morgan Groth was the top American runner at the 1964 Olympic Trials with a 1:47.1in Los Angeles but was injured between the Trials and the Olympics. Groth set the American mile record of 4:10.0 in 1961. Groth also was the anchor on Oregon State University's 2 mile relay team, which set the 2 mile world record of 7:18.9.
1968 Dick Fosbury High Jump Gold Medal 2.24m Dick Fosbury set the Olympic Record, which would stand until 1976.
1968 Tracy Smith 10,000 Meters 11th 30:14.6 Tracy Smith won national championships in the 10,000 meters and 6 mile run in 1966, the 10,000 meter run in 1968, and the 3 mile run in 1969. He also won national championships in the 3 mile run indoors in 1966, 1967, and 1973.
1968 Gary Stenlund Javelin 20th 73.52m Gary Stenlund is the world record holder in javelin for a man over the age of 75.
1968 Bob McLaren 400 Meter Hurdles 24th 51.8s
1972 Tim Vollmer Discus 8th 60.24m Tim Vollmer finished second at the NCAA championships in 1969 and 1970 and was an All-American both years. Vollmer won a silver medal at the 1971 Pan-American Games.
1972 Lahcen Akka Shot Put 15th 19.11m
1972 Hailu Ebba 1,500 Meters 24th 3:43.7 Hailu Ebba qualified for but boycotted the 1976 Olympics over South African Apartheid.
1984 Hassan El Kachief 400 Meters DNF Born Kasheef Hassan, Hassan El Kashief was the 1978 African Champion; the 1979 African, World, and NCAA Champion; and the 1982 NCAA champion. Hassan El Kachief qualified for the 1976 and 1980 Olympics. However, he boycotted the 1976 Olympics with Hailu Ebba over South African Apartheid. He boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics over the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. He participated in the 1980 Liberty Bell Classic (the free world's Olympics), finishing second.
The Olympics has a global viewership of approximately 4 billion. Track and field is a much bigger sport than American football globally.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 28, 2018 17:18:04 GMT -8
People from Europe or Asia who follow track and field aren't coming to OSU football games, so I don't care what they like. Football is king in the USA.
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Post by babeav on Feb 28, 2018 18:05:30 GMT -8
Don't care about payouts.....when the Beavers play hole in Reser we should have 7 home games period.....2 OOC games in 2018 is total BS.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 28, 2018 21:06:28 GMT -8
Don't care about payouts.....when the Beavers play hole in Reser we should have 7 home games period.....2 OOC games in 2018 is total BS. I hope you mean 2 OOC away games, because we are going to have 3 OOC games every year
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 28, 2018 22:36:10 GMT -8
People were griping in Riley's later years about a possible downturn in attendance, but he was still managing to get 40K+ average attendance in those seasons. We actually start winning again and give people a reason to come to the games there will be money flowing in. No. The numbers that brought attendance even remotely near to 40K (in 2014 ) were due to massive "military day" ticket giveaways (most of the games vs. the usual one game per season) that highly inflated the numbers (like 4-5K minimum). As poor as the attendance drop-off was even in Andersen's first year, it would have been far worse had Riley remained (for 2015). Like 30K or under per game. You cannot make your numbers add up in any way, shape, or form to make a home Labor Day weekend game even remotely comparable (in income) to a $1.7M payout from Ohio State as the visiting team, so save it. The "OBN seat donation" part of the season ticket cost is an irrelevant factor in that equation. Completely off base... tickets are only a portion of home game revenue... parking permits, game day parking, concessions, merchandise etc all give a piece. Seat licenses certainly are a "cost" for tickets... goes to a different "account", but still ÷ 6 or 7 home games is a substantial amt per game raised. A home game easily surpasses the $1.7 mil when expenses for travel squad, coaches, trainers, support staff, admin, etc are considered. And, as mentioned the million(s) to the community. There is nothing positive to come from this trip unless you expect a upset. In fact besides the loss of revenue there is a very good chance vs a team extremely more talented and talented far deeper it could negatively effect the next two games that should be Ws. Obviously the current Admin agrees as they have said they aren't fans of this one and done scheduling.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Feb 28, 2018 22:47:30 GMT -8
Barnes (at the Town Hall) said 'I hope everyone enjoys the trip to Columbus, because we won't be doing that again going forward'.
As he pointed out, UW's appearance in the playoffs in 2016 showed that you only need an OOC with one P5 opponent.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 1, 2018 5:48:51 GMT -8
As he pointed out, UW's appearance in the playoffs in 2016 showed that you only need an OOC with one P5 opponent. Alabama's proved that for years.
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Post by orangeattack on Mar 1, 2018 9:50:26 GMT -8
I still think St. Dennis had it right when he said "we need a tougher schedule like we need a hole in the head".
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 1, 2018 10:47:32 GMT -8
A home game easily surpasses the $1.7 mil when expenses for travel squad, coaches, trainers, support staff, admin, etc are considered. And, as mentioned the million(s) to the community. There is nothing positive to come from this trip unless you expect a upset. In fact besides the loss of revenue there is a very good chance vs a team extremely more talented and talented far deeper it could negatively effect the next two games that should be Ws. None of that is correct. Not even close. Especially on Labor Day weekend. LMAO... average seat licenses for season tix and box holders average over $500k per home game... just 20k paid tix to a game (ave of NC and Pac12) is close to $800k... those are both on the low end... leaves out all the revenue... which more than pays for stadium expenses per game. OSU will net about 1.3mil or less from tOSU trip. As Barnes clearly stated, enjoy... last game of this kind. It isn't a "money maker" nor wise for football reasons. But, thx for you informative rebuttal. 😁
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