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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 27, 2018 16:14:59 GMT -8
Au contrair, mon frere...ever been to a collegiate Softball game? I've heard things that would make a sailor blush. Not that there's anything wrong with sailors, salty language or softball players...each has their place and purpose. That said, there are lines in the sand (and in the stands) that should not be crossed. I never thought about taunting a basketball player at Gill back in the day. Too noisy and too far away. The only people that could have heard me were the fellow nose-bleeders. Now baseball was a different story. Most taunts were attempts at humor, but if any opposing player or coach turned their head and gave us a hint of recognition it turned ugly quickly. Well, I remember two guys bringing and waving Nazi flags when we played UW with Schrempf and Welp, so there’s that.
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Post by bill82 on Feb 27, 2018 17:33:55 GMT -8
I never thought about taunting a basketball player at Gill back in the day. Too noisy and too far away. The only people that could have heard me were the fellow nose-bleeders. Now baseball was a different story. Most taunts were attempts at humor, but if any opposing player or coach turned their head and gave us a hint of recognition it turned ugly quickly. LOL....Bobo Brayton WSU coach was fun Correct. The group I sat with would have been banned for life - just on what we yelled at Bobo - based on today's standards.
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Post by bmoc on Feb 27, 2018 18:38:01 GMT -8
Simon got really amped up from something that a fan said in my section (B). Didn't hear what "she" said specifically, but it got a big reaction from #32. "She" can be heard screaming at the refs/players through Ron Callan's mike. I'm guessing they might have listened to part of the broadcast to ascertain what was said and by whom. None of the fans around her reacted as if it were racial, in nature. Needless to say, I'm hoping that Stanford beats them on Friday.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 27, 2018 18:55:25 GMT -8
Simon got really amped up from something that a fan said in my section (B). Didn't hear what "she" said specifically, but it got a big reaction from #32. "She" can be heard screaming at the refs/players through Ron Callan's mike. I'm guessing they might have listened to part of the broadcast to ascertain what was said and by whom. None of the fans around her reacted as if it were racial, in nature. Needless to say, I'm hoping that Stanford beats them on Friday. Post #1. Welcome aboard. Let us know if you see “her” at the first two home games next season.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 27, 2018 19:41:01 GMT -8
Needless to say, I'm hoping that Stanford beats them on Friday. I agree, a game against usc has a high likelihood of getting very ugly. I'd hate for the girls to get the brunt of their anger, at least this team has shown the ability to fight back.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 28, 2018 8:04:33 GMT -8
Needless to say, I'm hoping that Stanford beats them on Friday. I agree, a game against usc has a high likelihood of getting very ugly. I'd hate for the girls to get the brunt of their anger, at least this team has shown the ability to fight back. I don’t think the team is scared of USC at all. Unlike some of our fans.
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Post by willtalk on Feb 28, 2018 14:52:38 GMT -8
Squonk--It isn't just a matter of being scared of USC. A really hard foul can take a player out for the season or perhaps even their career. Different players have different standards for hard and physical play. Believe it or not there are some players ( though not that common) that actually try to hurt and take out opposing players. USC has a player eligible next season who has shown that proclivity. A few years ago I saw a high school player from Oregon taken out for the rest of her season because of a hard body foul (from behind) similar to the one Edwards laid on Tudor. She was the best player on the then top rated Oregon team that came down to Cali. for a tourn. I don't know how it effected the player long term, but the teams chance for the State Title went up in smoke. There are enough season ending or career altering injuries that happen in the normal course of a game without adding risk through over the top physical play.
Yes I am one fan who cares about the health and welfare of all WBB players. Unlike some fans who might like to watch that sort of action especially since they have nothing at risk personally. I personally have enjoyed none officiated pick up games where we spent more time on the floor than on our feet. The non officiated is the key. You can give out as much as you take, which usually doesn't happen with officials. You quickly find out who is tough and who just likes handing out cheap shots. I actually liked those types of games while I am playing them, but I do not like to watch them. It seems you like to watch them, but would you really enjoy playing or even have the cahonies to play in one?
I find it interesting that coach Trahk and the coach of the high school who took out that Oregon player each grew up in New Jersey. Other people who I have met from that area also seem to have that sort of perspective of how the game is supposed to be played. These are the kind of guys you want to have your back in a fight, but not someone to teach you kids how to play basketball. I think Trahk's style of play might bear watching in the future. Is this a one season thing based on available personal, or is it a red flag for the future?
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 28, 2018 16:24:02 GMT -8
Squonk--It isn't just a matter of being scared of USC. A really hard foul can take a player out for the season or perhaps even their career. Different players have different standards for hard and physical play. Believe it or not there are some players ( though not that common) that actually try to hurt and take out opposing players. USC has a player eligible next season who has shown that proclivity. A few years ago I saw a high school player from Oregon taken out for the rest of her season because of a hard body foul (from behind) similar to the one Edwards laid on Tudor. She was the best player on the then top rated Oregon team that came down to Cali. for a tourn. I don't know how it effected the player long term, but the teams chance for the State Title went up in smoke. There are enough season ending or career altering injuries that happen in the normal course of a game without adding risk through over the top physical play. Yes I am one fan who cares about the health and welfare of all WBB players. Unlike some fans who might like to watch that sort of action especially since they have nothing at risk personally. I personally have enjoyed none officiated pick up games where we spent more time on the floor than on our feet. The non officiated is the key. You can give out as much as you take, which usually doesn't happen with officials. You quickly find out who is tough and who just likes handing out cheap shots. I actually liked those types of games while I am playing them, but I do not like to watch them. It seems you like to watch them, but would you really enjoy playing or even have the cahonies to play in one? I find it interesting that coach Trahk and the coach of the high school who took out that Oregon player each grew up in New Jersey. Other people who I have met from that area also seem to have that sort of perspective of how the game is supposed to be played. These are the kind of guys you want to have your back in a fight, but not someone to teach you kids how to play basketball. I think Trahk's style of play might bear watching in the future. Is this a one season thing based on available personal, or is it a red flag for the future? I guess we just see things differently. I watched the entire USC game twice. First time live, the second time with particular focus on USC's defensive play in light of all the criticism from this board. I've got to say I just didn't see anything from USC's play that I would in any way consider "dirty" or "dangerous". Even Simon's frustration push of Tudor for her 5th foul was poor sportsmanship but nothing a physically fit athlete like Tudor couldn't instantly shake-off. And let's not forget Marie's little "purpose pitch" in the 2nd half that very effectively kept Simon's head out of Marie's wheelhouse for the rest of the game. Did USC play physical? Sure. So did Stanford, so did ASU in our regular season finale (CTT thought refs unfairly favored OSU). I personally don't see a significant difference in the physicality those 3 opponents brought to bear against OSU. I guess I must not be as sensitive to that kind of thing as others here are. And here I thought I was a sensitive guy. Your mileage may vary.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 13:29:17 GMT -8
Squonk--It isn't just a matter of being scared of USC. A really hard foul can take a player out for the season or perhaps even their career. Different players have different standards for hard and physical play. Believe it or not there are some players ( though not that common) that actually try to hurt and take out opposing players. USC has a player eligible next season who has shown that proclivity. A few years ago I saw a high school player from Oregon taken out for the rest of her season because of a hard body foul (from behind) similar to the one Edwards laid on Tudor. She was the best player on the then top rated Oregon team that came down to Cali. for a tourn. I don't know how it effected the player long term, but the teams chance for the State Title went up in smoke. There are enough season ending or career altering injuries that happen in the normal course of a game without adding risk through over the top physical play. Yes I am one fan who cares about the health and welfare of all WBB players. Unlike some fans who might like to watch that sort of action especially since they have nothing at risk personally. I personally have enjoyed none officiated pick up games where we spent more time on the floor than on our feet. The non officiated is the key. You can give out as much as you take, which usually doesn't happen with officials. You quickly find out who is tough and who just likes handing out cheap shots. I actually liked those types of games while I am playing them, but I do not like to watch them. It seems you like to watch them, but would you really enjoy playing or even have the cahonies to play in one? I find it interesting that coach Trahk and the coach of the high school who took out that Oregon player each grew up in New Jersey. Other people who I have met from that area also seem to have that sort of perspective of how the game is supposed to be played. These are the kind of guys you want to have your back in a fight, but not someone to teach you kids how to play basketball. I think Trahk's style of play might bear watching in the future. Is this a one season thing based on available personal, or is it a red flag for the future? I guess we just see things differently. I watched the entire USC game twice. First time live, the second time with particular focus on USC's defensive play in light of all the criticism from this board. I've got to say I just didn't see anything from USC's play that I would in any way consider "dirty" or "dangerous". Even Simon's frustration push of Tudor for her 5th foul was poor sportsmanship but nothing a physically fit athlete like Tudor couldn't instantly shake-off. And let's not forget Marie's little "purpose pitch" in the 2nd half that very effectively kept Simon's head out of Marie's wheelhouse for the rest of the game. Did USC play physical? Sure. So did Stanford, so did ASU in our regular season finale (CTT thought refs unfairly favored OSU). I personally don't see a significant difference in the physicality those 3 opponents brought to bear against OSU. I guess I must not be as sensitive to that kind of thing as others here are. And here I thought I was a sensitive guy. Your mileage may vary. That shove to the floor from Simon to Tudor was too calculated and done when the action had long moved away from the 2 of them, as was Simon's slow motion backward fall after (at most) being grazed by Marie's elbow. It speaks to her character, a calculating yet very stupid (based on the slow realization that she should fall backwards to make it seem real along with a terrible acting job) person. Yes, I can see why people would despise a person like that and yell derogatory comments at her, especially when it could potentially have hurt a player that we have a lot of affection for like Tudor. Did she ever smile in that game? There's no graciousness or good humor in her at all. I have no sympathy for Simon. She's an anomaly in Pac-12 WBB.
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Post by bennyskid on Mar 1, 2018 14:40:41 GMT -8
Did she ever smile in that game? There's no graciousness or good humor in her at all. I'd love to know what sort of vision-enhancing device you use to see so deeply into a person's heart. I'll tell you what my deficient eyes saw. As the girls were waiting for the initial tip, which was delayed a few moments for some obscure reason, Simon did something that I never saw another player do. Hearing the PA music play, she *danced*. She shuffled around and showed a few moves, not just for a second or two, but for the entire time it took for the refs to get their stuff together and the Beavers to hit the floor. From my seat, it appeared that she was simply enjoying the moment - like a schoolgirl waiting for the recess bell. So, yeah, she's an anomaly. The only other player I've seen put on a dance show like that at Gill was another anomalous player, so that statement is definitely fair.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 15:32:56 GMT -8
I'd love to know what sort of vision-enhancing device you use to see so deeply into a person's heart. I'll tell you what my deficient eyes saw. As the girls were waiting for the initial tip, which was delayed a few moments for some obscure reason, Simon did something that I never saw another player do. Hearing the PA music play, she *danced*. She shuffled around and showed a few moves, not just for a second or two, but for the entire time it took for the refs to get their stuff together and the Beavers to hit the floor. From my seat, it appeared that she was simply enjoying the moment - like a schoolgirl waiting for the recess bell. So, yeah, she's an anomaly. The only other player I've seen put on a dance show like that at Gill was another anomalous player, so that statement is definitely fair. If so, then her subsequent behavior proved her elation to be ephemeral. Outside of the arena, her action against Tudor would be a crime deserving jail time. Her violence against Tudor was not incidental or in any attempt to aid the team, but out of simple meanness: The action of a bully against someone half her size. I don't see how anyone can defend that.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 1, 2018 17:03:57 GMT -8
I'd love to know what sort of vision-enhancing device you use to see so deeply into a person's heart. I'll tell you what my deficient eyes saw. As the girls were waiting for the initial tip, which was delayed a few moments for some obscure reason, Simon did something that I never saw another player do. Hearing the PA music play, she *danced*. She shuffled around and showed a few moves, not just for a second or two, but for the entire time it took for the refs to get their stuff together and the Beavers to hit the floor. From my seat, it appeared that she was simply enjoying the moment - like a schoolgirl waiting for the recess bell. So, yeah, she's an anomaly. The only other player I've seen put on a dance show like that at Gill was another anomalous player, so that statement is definitely fair. If so, then her subsequent behavior proved her elation to be ephemeral. Outside of the arena, her action against Tudor would be a crime deserving jail time. Her violence against Tudor was not incidental or in any attempt to aid the team, but out of simple meanness: The action of a bully against someone half her size. I don't see how anyone can defend that. Violence? Please. Let me send you a paper lunch bag to breathe into. Something about Simon really got under your skin, didn't it? Tudor isn't "half of Simon's size". Tudor is 6'-0" and athletic with broad shoulders, not skinny. I bet she weighs at least 160 pounds. Simon is 6'-1" and stockier for certain. Probably weighs close to 190. When you play 40 minutes a game like she does you don't carry around a lot of "extra" weight. I'd say there's about a 25 to 30 pound difference. Is that an proportional difference in strength? You might be surprised. Tudor suffered absolutely no ill effects from that shove. "Godzilla vs Bambi", this is not.
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Post by willtalk on Mar 1, 2018 20:32:04 GMT -8
I actually think Simons fifth foul on Tudor was more stupid/bazaare than violent. I know she got an earlier foul pushing Tudor on an in bounds play. Tudor didn't go down but Simon continued to push her (slowly with her hands) from her spot for about 7 feet. Again right in front of the ref. That was more funny than dangerous. Even the last foul wasn't that dangerous in respect to injuring a player. The foul I thought was dangerous was the one right before that one and it went uncalled. Edwards hit her body hard from behind with her own body so much so that you could see her her body suddenly jerk forward. It might have put her neck out. If they were playing football that would have been a clip. That was an obvious foul that went uncalled and I believe sent a message to SC that they could get away with quite a bit. I stated that was similar to a play that took out that Oregon high player. It is dangerous because the fouled player does not see it coming and they are propelled from behind and rendered out of control. It has the same effect as being undercut except your are also propelled forward faster than your own speed.Being pushed down when you are stationary or moving slowly you have some control. Tudor was fortunate that her forward/ sideways motion was somewhat stopped by another USC players body.
Squank is right. Tudor may look soft but she is pretty tough. I saw her take a swinging forearm to the throat from KLS in the California Open Championship some years back and she didn't miss a beat and stayed in the game.
I do think his 190 lb for Simon is a very conservative.
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