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Post by beavsteve on Feb 26, 2018 15:36:11 GMT -8
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 26, 2018 15:41:31 GMT -8
More explanation is in the website link below. “The investigation findings acknowledge the very serious concerns reported by USC players,” Clark said. “The investigation did not discover the location of any fans using racially derogatory statements directed at USC student-athletes or the team. However, the investigation did find that during the game a fan continuously directed taunts and personally derogatory statements at one USC player. today.oregonstate.edu/news/oregon-state-sanctions-fan-who-used-taunts-during-women%E2%80%99s-basketball-game-0 |
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Post by 411500 on Feb 26, 2018 15:47:02 GMT -8
Thanks for posting. It's nice to receive official, first and information.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 26, 2018 15:48:44 GMT -8
Good. Glad they addressed it publicly in a timely manner and didn't just hush it up. A little surprised the "fan" is only being excluded from 2 games. Quite frankly, a 2 game ban is a pretty worthless deterrent. It'd also be good for OSU to clarify just what kind of abuse/taunting crosses the line and gets you a 2 game exclusion. The fan should definitely personally apologize to the USC player he targeted as a condition for re-admittance. We'll see whether USC, Trakh, Simon and Moore accept OSU's apology. I hope so. I'm ready to move on. |
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Post by beavsteve on Feb 26, 2018 16:00:52 GMT -8
Good. Glad they addressed it publicly in a timely manner and didn't just hush it up. A little surprised the "fan" is only being excluded from 2 games. Quite frankly, a 2 game ban is a pretty worthless deterrent. Maybe it was an important booster/donor they didn't want to alienate? The fan should definitely personally apologize to the USC player he targeted as a condition for re-admittance. It'd also be good for OSU to clarify just what kind of abuse/taunting crosses the line and gets you a 2 game exclusion. We'll see whether USC, Trakh, Simon and Moore accept OSU's apology. I hope so. I'm ready to move on. Actually, Moore should apologize for the tweets if she and USC are in agreement that the slurs were not racial in nature. It would be good for USC to agree that they were not racial comments and for this to be publicized by the media outlets that have reported on this incident. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 26, 2018 16:09:03 GMT -8
Good. Glad they addressed it publicly in a timely manner and didn't just hush it up. A little surprised the "fan" is only being excluded from 2 games. Quite frankly, a 2 game ban is a pretty worthless deterrent. Maybe it was an important booster/donor they didn't want to alienate? The fan should definitely personally apologize to the USC player he targeted as a condition for re-admittance. It'd also be good for OSU to clarify just what kind of abuse/taunting crosses the line and gets you a 2 game exclusion. We'll see whether USC, Trakh, Simon and Moore accept OSU's apology. I hope so. I'm ready to move on. Actually, Moore should apologize for the tweets if she and USC are in agreement that the slurs were not racial in nature. It would be good for USC to agree that they were not racial comments and for this to be publicized by the media outlets that have reported on this incident. If they let OSU's statement stand without comment I will consider that as tacit acceptance from USC, Trakh, Simon and Moore. We don't need to extract our pound of flesh. |
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Post by beavsteve on Feb 26, 2018 16:14:39 GMT -8
Actually, Moore should apologize for the tweets if she and USC are in agreement that the slurs were not racial in nature. It would be good for USC to agree that they were not racial comments and for this to be publicized by the media outlets that have reported on this incident. If they let OSU's statement stand without comment I will consider that as tacit acceptance from USC, Trakh, Simon and Moore. We don't need to extract our pound of flesh. My desire for that kind of response has nothing to do with extracting "our pound of flesh". It has everything to do with damage-control. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 26, 2018 16:23:44 GMT -8
If they let OSU's statement stand without comment I will consider that as tacit acceptance from USC, Trakh, Simon and Moore. We don't need to extract our pound of flesh. My desire for that kind of response has nothing to do with extracting "our pound of flesh". It has everything to do with damage-control. But think about it. Moore makes her posts and takes them down within minutes. Yes the press does post them but the press is also going to post Barnes statement for the record stating unequivocally that OSU has investigated and found there were no racial comments and that sanctions are being imposed on the abusive fan. I'd be shocked if Barnes' statement wasn't reviewed and approved in advance by both USC and Pac-12 prior to being released by OSU. I don't expect any rebuttal statements from either USC or the Conference. In my mind that concludes this incident. |
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Post by beavsteve on Feb 26, 2018 16:33:57 GMT -8
My desire for that kind of response has nothing to do with extracting "our pound of flesh". It has everything to do with damage-control. But think about it. Moore makes her posts and takes them down within minutes. Yes the press does post them but the press is also going to post Barnes statement for the record stating unequivocally that OSU has investigated and found there were no racial comments and that sanctions are being imposed on the abusive fan. I'd be shocked if Barnes' statement wasn't reviewed and approved in advance by both USC and Pac-12 prior to being released by OSU. I don't expect any rebuttal statements from either USC or the Conference. In my mind that concludes this incident. Let's see if the press actually does report on the results of the investigation. I'm sure the local press will, but will it go national like the original reporting did? Actually, I will be surprised if it does. OSU should insist upon it. Though you may be right that most people will assume silence by USC as agreement, it would be a nice gesture to have them actually say it. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 26, 2018 16:42:11 GMT -8
But think about it. Moore makes her posts and takes them down within minutes. Yes the press does post them but the press is also going to post Barnes statement for the record stating unequivocally that OSU has investigated and found there were no racial comments and that sanctions are being imposed on the abusive fan. I'd be shocked if Barnes' statement wasn't reviewed and approved in advance by both USC and Pac-12 prior to being released by OSU. I don't expect any rebuttal statements from either USC or the Conference. In my mind that concludes this incident. Let's see if the press actually does report on the results of the investigation. I'm sure the local press will, but will it go national like the original reporting did? Actually, I will be surprised if it does. OSU should insist upon it. Though you may be right that most people will assume silence by USC as agreement, it would be a nice gesture to have them actually say it. I'd be a Minyon Moore fan for life if she sincerely retracted her statements. Takes a lot of courage to cop to being wrong in public. We all make mistakes. Owning up to them is what authentic people do. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 26, 2018 16:47:32 GMT -8
Let's see if the press actually does report on the results of the investigation. I'm sure the local press will, but will it go national like the original reporting did? Actually, I will be surprised if it does. OSU should insist upon it. Though you may be right that most people will assume silence by USC as agreement, it would be a nice gesture to have them actually say it. I'd be a Minyon Moore fan for life if she sincerely retracted her statements. Takes a lot of courage to cop to being wrong in public. We all make mistakes. Owning up to them is what authentic people do. It would be nice but don't hold your breath on it |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 26, 2018 16:54:27 GMT -8
I'd be a Minyon Moore fan for life if she sincerely retracted her statements. Takes a lot of courage to cop to being wrong in public. We all make mistakes. Owning up to them is what authentic people do. It would be nice but don't hold your breath on it I'm not. I have realistic expectations for my fellow human beings. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 26, 2018 17:28:15 GMT -8
Good. Glad they addressed it publicly in a timely manner and didn't just hush it up. A little surprised the "fan" is only being excluded from 2 games. Quite frankly, a 2 game ban is a pretty worthless deterrent. It'd also be good for OSU to clarify just what kind of abuse/taunting crosses the line and gets you a 2 game exclusion. The fan should definitely personally apologize to the USC player he targeted as a condition for re-admittance. We'll see whether USC, Trakh, Simon and Moore accept OSU's apology. I hope so. I'm ready to move on. Where did you see that it was a "he"? I don't but I'd bet the house, the farm and the and the grandkids that it was a he, not a she. Based on my attendance at thousands of athletic events over many decades and observing countless verbally abusive fans. Are there verbally abusive female fans to the extent of getting banned for multiple games? Sure but in my experience they are very few and very far between. My experience is also that women are far less likely to verbally abuse women athletes than men are. The percentage of women who verbally abuse at sporting events - small The percentage of women who verbally abuse women athletes at sporting events - infinitesimal. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 26, 2018 17:39:34 GMT -8
Where did you see that it was a "he"? I don't but I'd bet the house, the farm and the and the grandkids that it was a he, not a she. Based on my attendance at thousands of athletic events over many decades and observing verbally abusive fans. Are there verbally abusive female fans to the extent of getting banned for multiple games? Sure but in my experience they are few and far between. My experience is also that women are far less likely to verbally abuse women athletes than men are. The percentage of women who verbally abuse at sporting events - small The percentage of women who verbally abuse women athletes at sporting events - tiny. Actually the most abusive fan on a consistent basis is female, older, sits courtside right across from our bench. She talks to opposing players and officials all game long. Actually went 10' onto the court the SC game. She's quite the embarrassment... BEAVER students have complained about her... never have seen her admonished. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Feb 26, 2018 17:50:58 GMT -8
But think about it. Moore makes her posts and takes them down within minutes. Yes the press does post them but the press is also going to post Barnes statement for the record stating unequivocally that OSU has investigated and found there were no racial comments and that sanctions are being imposed on the abusive fan. Want to bet? With the same degree of national coverage? Absolutely, they will not. Crazy that a movie from 1981 ("Absence of Malice") saw this day coming: (1:12 mark - "you say someone is guilty, everyone believes you, you say they are innocent, and no one cares.....") Crazier that I am old enough to remember this movie, though I am happy to report I didn't see it in the theater, had to catch it later on VHS :-)). Go Beavers! |
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