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Post by beaveragain on Feb 26, 2018 23:38:58 GMT -8
Patricia Morris starting next year? She is ranked 38th at post in the country. She seems to be a real athlete and has height, but hasn't concentrated on basketball and I think will need a year of being in the SR training system before she gets thrown to the pac12 wolves.
Andrea impressed me with her shooting around the basket in the last video uploaded by Ribet. Within 12 feet of the basket she is deadly. She does like trying to hit 3 pointers and I hope SR immediately lays down the law so she doesn't waste her time practicing it. But from the first video that I saw and this latest one I am impressed with the improvement. Some of her faults really won't take much time to fix, chasing guards around, wandering away from the basket etc. Some things will take more time, more endurance and strength etc. But overall I didn't see her playing at all next year and now I'm looking forward to seeing what she can do.
Jo hasn't been playing much because of how close the games have been lately. But the little I've see I think she will do ok next year. She has some shots besides dumping the ball in the basket, and she is starting to get some rebounding attitude. She still seems to lose track of where she needs to be defensively, but after Das Hammer and the Hammer I think we've been spoiled on what to expect from our centers.
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Post by willtalk on Feb 27, 2018 4:59:53 GMT -8
I have a couple of DVD video's of Ribit playing against better teams than MD in a MLK tourn I did notice some things but I will have to take another look before I comment on Aquino.I do know that they do not play her much in the center position because they already have two beasts at that position. I think people might have advised her to go to that school because she would have two really tough centers to go against in practice. You develop more in practice than you do in games. Playing against most high school centers does not really challenge very tall players.
In respect to which starter will be a back up, I doubt it will be Tudor. When Slocum take over the point ( and that is a given) it will probably be the player that Slocums skill set makes most expendable. Even when Tudor does not score her presence on the floor adds offensive value because her quick release does not allow opposing teams to play off her. This eliminates the side she is on from double teams. It opens up driving lanes and leaves other players open when the ball is swung around. This is evident because Kat will often go an entire half or even game with out an open look. 'Still this often makes her impatient so that she will often force shots if she is shut out from opportunities for too long a time. Especially when she has been open but players have not hit her. Her none squared up quick release is less effective. Other players should make more of an effort to find her when she is open which is something they often do not do. The players on the team generally do not see the entire court but rather focus on either one side or the other. Kat is also very good parameter defender so you will see her in the lineup even when she is scoreless. she should probably work more on her off the dribble 3pt shot, this off season, so that she is less reliant on catch and shoot to score.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 5:23:48 GMT -8
Patricia Morris starting next year? She is ranked 38th at post in the country. She seems to be a real athlete and has height, but hasn't concentrated on basketball and I think will need a year of being in the SR training system before she gets thrown to the pac12 wolves. Andrea impressed me with her shooting around the basket in the last video uploaded by Ribet. Within 12 feet of the basket she is deadly. She does like trying to hit 3 pointers and I hope SR immediately lays down the law so she doesn't waste her time practicing it. But from the first video that I saw and this latest one I am impressed with the improvement. Some of her faults really won't take much time to fix, chasing guards around, wandering away from the basket etc. Some things will take more time, more endurance and strength etc. But overall I didn't see her playing at all next year and now I'm looking forward to seeing what she can do. Jo hasn't been playing much because of how close the games have been lately. But the little I've see I think she will do ok next year. She has some shots besides dumping the ball in the basket, and she is starting to get some rebounding attitude. She still seems to lose track of where she needs to be defensively, but after Das Hammer and the Hammer I think we've been spoiled on what to expect from our centers. Patricia is taller, more experienced and a MUCH better athlete than Ruth. She averaged 17 ppg and almost 13 rpg as a junior. Her team's offense "runs through her". If you watch the video, you can see that she is so much better than Jo Grymek that Jo should never see the floor. She can catch passes and grab rebounds reliably, which Grymek has a great deal of trouble doing. If Grymek ever starts a game next year, it'll be at the beginning of the year in deference to her being a senior and to keep the pressure off Morris. If Destiny can feed her the ball 3 feet from the hoop, Patricia will hit the shot, which is more than you could count on with Hamblin as a senior. And apparently her favorite shot is a hook shot, which Ruth could only dream of. She is very aggressive and physical on defense. With her apparent high IQ and good tutoring, she'll improve fast. ============= "I think I've talked to coach Katie (Baker) the most. I practice my Mandarin with coach Eric (Ely). All of the coaching staff is so welcoming. Coach Scott has done a great job of creating a family environment at Oregon State." Off the court, Morris is a "very family oriented person." On the court, her favorite post move is her hook shot. ============= And people complain that she's only rated the #28 post and #147 in the country overall. But how reliable are those rankings? Prospect Nation's #12 post averaged 7 ppg and 7 rpg. The #11 post averaged 12 ppg and 6 rpg. Other post players ranked above Patricia averaged, for example, 9/8, 13/2, and 9/7, in just a few of the cases I could find stats for. So where should someone who averages 17/13 really be ranked? |
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 27, 2018 8:08:26 GMT -8
Man, I'd like to see numbers 1 through 27!
At the 56 second mark, Patricia does something that Ruth never did and Jo has hardly a prayer of ever doing. The opposing guard is dribbling along the 3-point line, just getting into the half-court rhythm, and Patricia pops up from the key and gets in her way. The bigs on our men's team do that all the time - disrupting the dribbler and then rushing back to the middle. In this case, it works perfectly, as the opposing guard rushes a bad pass which Duarte intercepts for a fast-break.
Jo sets a pretty good pick, but she'll never have the quickness to use this technique. You have to be quick enough to make the dribbler feel like she's getting trapped (although it's often enough just to disrupt their rhythm), and even quicker to get back to the key afterwards.
(A question for any coach out there. There has to be a name for that little defensive move. What do you call it?)
She looks to me like she has all the attributes necessary to match Marie someday, but for now she plays like a high school girl. There is just a lot of technique that she has to absorb. Based on this video, she could very likely start for us, but she won't turn heads the way Billings or Anigwe did their freshman years. I expect more of a Marie-like progression - which will be fun to watch.
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Post by 411500 on Feb 27, 2018 8:10:11 GMT -8
willtalk - enjoyed reading your post.....Hope to read more.....
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Post by steinlager on Feb 27, 2018 9:03:05 GMT -8
(A question for any coach out there. There has to be a name for that little defensive move. What do you call it?)
I've heard it called hedging.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 27, 2018 12:39:26 GMT -8
People discounting Jo for 2018-19 haven't been paying attention to how well this staff has developed big players, and not just Hamblin and Gulich. Brown and Orum improved significantly even late in their careers, as did Patricia Bright.
Will she be a star? No. But she certainly can continue to improve into a serviceable backup. It might even make sense to redshirt her.
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 27, 2018 13:53:19 GMT -8
I think she's a serviceable backup right now. If we were 18-12 right now, and we had, say, Emily Potter instead of Marie Gulich in the middle, Jo would be a 10-15-minute per game player. And if we didn't have Morris and Aquino coming in, we'd just assume that Jo would be the starter next year and we'd be fine with that.
It sure sucks to have a Top 10 team and a historic recruiting class coming in. It just makes everything else less shiny.
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Post by 411500 on Feb 27, 2018 20:40:13 GMT -8
"And if we didn't have Morris and Aquino coming in, we'd just assume that Jo would be the starter next year and we'd be fine with that."
I cannot believe that anybody who knows anything about Pac-12 basketball would believe for a minute that Grymek would be our starter next year.
Where do you come up with such silly nonsense?
Coach is a great coach. He is not a miracle worker. He cannot teach quick any more than he can teach height.
In my assessment of things saying Jo is a starter next year is like saying Thropay will be a Pac-12 All star next year.
Maybe. But little basis in reality for thinking it will happen.
OK - I've said enough on this topic.....
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 27, 2018 21:05:16 GMT -8
Well, who would start at the post if those two were not coming in?
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 27, 2018 21:21:55 GMT -8
Exactly. It would be between Janessa and Jo.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 28, 2018 11:31:56 GMT -8
I read a post above from 2nd Gen Beaver that stated that rebounding is/was a weakness for the Beavs this season. No team is perfect, but at last check OSU's team rebounding differential placed it #2 in the country among 349 D1 teams in rebounding differential. Has OSU lost rebounding battles during its 29 games this year? Yes. The Stanford game comes to mind. However, one of the great strengths of this season's team is rebounding. It would be very difficult to argue effectively (and statistically) otherwise. If rebounding is a weakness for this season's squad, I would love to have the Beavs possess some other similar weaknesses in which the Beavs rank #2 nationally in a positive statistics category.  www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/statistics/team/_/year/2018/cat/9 |
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 28, 2018 12:29:47 GMT -8
Well, that's mostly because our opponents miss more shots than we do. It's a product of our defensive system, which is predicated on making our opponents take uncomfortable shots. We missed 868 shots so far this year, our opponents missed 1215 - so we had 347 more chances at a defensive rebound.
If you assume a 75/25 ratio of defensive to offensive rebounds, you would expect OSU to have pulled down 75%*1215+25%*868 = 1128, and our opponents to get 955. That's a difference of 173.
In fact, we pulled down 315 more rebounds than our opponents. So our differential is 3 or 4 rebounds per game more than an average team would be expected to obtain. That is, about twice per game we stole a rebound from the opponent.
That's good. It's nothing special, though. I expect that if we limited the statistics to conference games, the differential would totally disappear or perhaps go negative.
So, yes, we can be the #2 rebounding team in the country and rebounding still be a (mild) weakness.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Feb 28, 2018 16:58:31 GMT -8
I read a post above from 2nd Gen Beaver that stated that rebounding is/was a weakness for the Beavs this season. No team is perfect, but at last check OSU's team rebounding differential placed it #2 in the country among 349 D1 teams in rebounding differential. Has OSU lost rebounding battles during its 29 games this year? Yes. The Stanford game comes to mind. However, one of the great strengths of this season's team is rebounding. It would be very difficult to argue effectively (and statistically) otherwise. If rebounding is a weakness for this season's squad, I would love to have the Beavs possess some other similar weaknesses in which the Beavs rank #2 nationally in a positive statistics category. www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/statistics/team/_/year/2018/cat/9 's analysis says it all, but I will also point out that while we are 10th ranked in the nation, our RPI and strength of schedule is not very high, and so some *very* weak teams may have excessively contributed to our gaudy rebounding stats and should be taken with a grain of salt. We also have some very strong rebounders at some positions, while some critical positions (backup F, backup C) leave much to be desired - and this thread, which focused on the help arriving at the F/C positions, lent itself to my comment. One key improvement I think is required by our current backup center is the transition from facing up and defending a ball handler/potential ball handler to realizing a shot has gone up and "putting a body on someone", blocking out, facing the basket and snatching the rebound (and then keeping the ball high). Right now that process is maddeningly slow. beavershoopsfan - thanks for your very cordial response and valid disagreement to my post. You could have sent this thread in a very different direction (as many threads in our forum seem to) but you didn't, and I greatly appreciate that! Go Beavers! |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 28, 2018 20:24:19 GMT -8
I watched the video of Morris' game and came away with the same feeling as I had before. She is tall and athletic and hasn't been concentrating on basketball. She can dump the ball in the basket and she has a good rebounding attitude. But on the Beav team you need to pass, and she could not complete one pass in the pac-12 (ok, internet exaggeration but still). Her limitations are mostly her willingness to concentrate on basketball and put in the time to get better with her fundamentals.
The other takeaway from watching Morris' video was appreciation for how good Aquino is. When peeps went to the basket against Morris she occasionally blocked or altered the shot. Against Aquino it was usually a failed attempt and Aquino is going against top teams in the state. She just isn't spending much time by the basket.
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