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Post by 411500 on Feb 19, 2018 17:07:31 GMT -8
Not sure if this has been discussed.
What consequences accrue to a player (Ms. Moore) who levies a serious allegation, but after investigation and due diligence, it is concluded that the accusation is without merit? (False)
I consider this a serious question.
Quite obviously an accusation means little until it is either confirmed or disconfirmed. Anyone can accuse.
Has USC made a policy statement about this? Does USC presume that a player can make an accusation on social media that has negative effect on the accused without some consequence if the accusation is unfounded?
Just thinking out loud here. Maybe someone on the board has first hand info on this kind of a situation.
False accusation is a big deal in the real world.
When you are a public figure (major college athlete) social media IS the real world. This is not a minor deal. But first there is a fundamental legal and moral issue called evidence.
Someone help me out here.
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 19, 2018 17:17:15 GMT -8
I just have to ask, “why in hell would she say that?” Why that game? I don’t know whether it’s true of not. Why would someone make that up?
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 19, 2018 17:22:36 GMT -8
I'm still waiting to hear if anyone has corroborated her story. This presumably took place during the post game hand shakes, none of their coaches heard it? None of our players or coaches heard it? None of the event staff or state troopers heard anything?
IF it actually happened why didn't she react then, why the delay until she got into their locker room? Why remove the accusations?
If proved unfounded I would hope we would get an apology from the accuser and a retraction from the press. I doubt either will happen.
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 19, 2018 17:37:53 GMT -8
I had mentioned early this morning on another thread that with in the many stories on my homepage there was a pic of Moore and brief article on the accusation.
I've thoroughly searched my page again and can't find it. Interesting.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 19, 2018 17:43:46 GMT -8
I just have to ask, “why in hell would she say that?” Why that game? I don’t know whether it’s true of not. Why would someone make that up? OSU just went through a very public situation regarding the names of some of our buildings. According to someone on rebkell, Samantha Bee had recently reminded people of the Oregon Exclusion laws. And then you have the accuser's history of mental illness, she differs from both depression and anxiety disorder. And this loss took away any chance they might have for tournament play, albeit very little chance. Add in the fact that she was dominated this weekend by both Oregon schools and the possibility of it being fabricated has to be considered. If it is found to be valid then that individual or individuals should be banned from OSU functions. It is not something to be tolerated. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 19, 2018 17:56:58 GMT -8
Why would someone make that up? Gee. I dunno. Why would people PRETEND to be victims of "hate crimes." www.fakehatecrimes.org/I don’t pretend to understand. I hope it doesn’t have a negative impact on the overwhelming majority of good souls at OSU. |
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 19, 2018 17:59:37 GMT -8
Great idea, 411500. Let's make the UCLA girls out to be villains. There is ZERO doubt that something happened. I saw Ms. Simon sobbing in distress - she is not a hoaxer.
I sincerely hope that the girls simply overreacted to razzing fans after a tough, frustrating loss. But it seems just as likely that we really do have some racist a*******s in Gill, so be prepared to hear that if the investigation reaches that conclusion.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 19, 2018 18:11:23 GMT -8
Not sure if this has been discussed. What consequences accrue to a player (Ms. Moore) who levies a serious allegation, but after investigation and due diligence, it is concluded that the accusation is without merit? (False) I consider this a serious question. Quite obviously an accusation means little until it is either confirmed or disconfirmed. Anyone can accuse. Has USC made a policy statement about this? Does USC presume that a player can make an accusation on social media that has negative effect on the accused without some consequence if the accusation is unfounded? Just thinking out loud here. Maybe someone on the board has first hand info on this kind of a situation. False accusation is a big deal in the real world. When you are a public figure (major college athlete) social media IS the real world. This is not a minor deal. But first there is a fundamental legal and moral issue called evidence. Someone help me out here. 1. I'm inclined to believe any player who says she was subjected to racist fan abuse because I just find it hard to believe that someone fabricate that kind of a accusation out of whole cloth. 2. That said, if it happened there should be some corroborating statements and as of this hour throughout our wide open social media landscape there have been none. None from USC coaching staff, none from Minyon Moore's teammates, none from game officials, none from other spectators (OSU or USC). All we have is 3 tweets from one player, posted from the USC locker room and taken down within the hour they were put up. That's it. 3. It is a serious accusation (even though it no longer exists publicly) and it merits being seriously investigated. I trust that USC and OSU are currently doing just that. It needs to be resolved - one way or the other. Although actually, we don't even know if a formal incident report has been filed by USC athletics to be investigated by OSU and the Pac-12 Conference. |
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Post by 411500 on Feb 19, 2018 21:56:22 GMT -8
squonk - you make some thoughtful points.
Bottom line: OSU faces serious accusations with no evidence (thus far) provided to substantiate them.
I've lived in Oregon long enough know it has its share of racists. Of course it does.
That being said: accusations have been made which are thus far unsubstantiated. The accusation has been printed through the country.
If the accusation is not confirmed - - what are the consequences?? What is the role of USC in this matter?
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 19, 2018 23:19:30 GMT -8
squonk - you make some thoughtful points. Bottom line: OSU faces serious accusations with no evidence (thus far) provided to substantiate them. I've lived in Oregon long enough know it has its share of racists. Of course it does. That being said: accusations have been made which are thus far unsubstantiated. The accusation has been printed through the country. If the accusation is not confirmed - - what are the consequences?? What is the role of USC in this matter? It seems to be forgotten that a poster here and another person heard one of her own teammates say, ".. it wasn't racism" when her HC and others were restraining/talking to her. I'd bet she got razed... and maybe over the line/too much... and she got really upset over the loss/fouling out and took it over the top to the "racist" level. I'm not saying there are not racists in Gill. I'm not saying some don't make this BS up. But, from all the info on here... NONE of the timing matches up to what was explained and tweeted. Also she walked thru the post game line with sweats, sweat shirt with hood on, and gave Destiny a huge long hug. Stuff just doesn't jibe. The young woman is an emotional person... her team lost two tough games... she considers herself a leader... she fouled out was razed... she was upset. If there is not much public after this week it might be to save face for the young lady. No apology or rehashing needed... although a public statement of it being a overblown reaction to an emotional loss would help public perception. |
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 20, 2018 7:05:11 GMT -8
I'm sorry. I said that *someone* said "It wasn't racist", but it was not a player. I should have been more specific - it was a bystander that said that. The players were clearly agitated, and I believe that the group of UCLA girls that passed by me in a rush was looking for the perpetrator.
I also think that this "timeline" that people have in their heads is all twisted up. What I saw happened a minute or two after the mingle started, apparently as the players were leaving the court. It is perfectly consistent with Ms. Simon hugging Destiny right after the game. In fact, it's exactly what you might expect from a racist a*****e - a cheap insult hurled as the players walk out. A verbal hit-and-run, so to speak.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 20, 2018 7:13:59 GMT -8
I'm sorry. I said that *someone* said "It wasn't racist", but it was not a player. I should have been more specific - it was a bystander that said that. The players were clearly agitated, and I believe that the group of UCLA girls that passed by me in a rush was looking for the perpetrator. I also think that this "timeline" that people have in their heads is all twisted up. What I saw happened a minute or two after the mingle started, apparently as the players were leaving the court. It is perfectly consistent with Ms. Simon hugging Destiny right after the game. In fact, it's exactly what you might expect from a racist a*****e - a cheap insult hurled as the players walk out. A verbal hit-and-run, so to speak. USC? |
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 20, 2018 8:04:35 GMT -8
That's when I knew something big was happening . . . these tall girls in powder blue rushed by me (and one short one who was really quick) . . .
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 20, 2018 8:16:02 GMT -8
That's when I knew something big was happening . . . these tall girls in powder blue rushed by me (and one short one who was really quick) . . . You might want to recheck your story before offering any testimony. |
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 20, 2018 8:20:20 GMT -8
That's when I knew something big was happening . . . these tall girls in powder blue rushed by me (and one short one who was really quick) . . . You might want to recheck your story before offering any testimony. Sorry, I didn't realize that I was dealing with the humor-challenged. Yes, it was USC players who rushed by me, as though to confront the alleged racist a*****e. Jordin Canada was not among them. |
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