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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 20, 2018 8:29:53 GMT -8
That's when I knew something big was happening . . . these tall girls in powder blue rushed by me (and one short one who was really quick) . . . Powder blue? |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 20, 2018 9:17:19 GMT -8
You might want to recheck your story before offering any testimony. Sorry, I didn't realize that I was dealing with the humor-challenged. Yes, it was USC players who rushed by me, as though to confront the alleged racist a*****e. Jordin Canada was not among them. Or it just wasn't humorous. |
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Post by nabeav on Feb 20, 2018 9:53:02 GMT -8
Here's what's concerns me:
People are already using this girl's emotional disorders in the past to discredit her. Because someone is depressed or anxious does not make them a fabricator of stories. You're basically saying that if it was anyone else, her story would be more believable.
What I think happened is that some extremely ignorant person said something extremely inappropriate to a very emotional person as they left the court right after a loss. Moore, obviously and justifiably upset, heads to the locker room and fires off a series of tweets blaming OSU fans at large because she didn't see specifically who said whatever it was. Later, when she'd calmed down a little, she realized that it was unfair of her to cover the OSU women's basketball fanbase with this kind of blanket statement and deleted the comments....that, or she started to get a lot of people accusing her of being a sore loser or making sh*t up so she killed the tweet.
I think anyone who played competitive sports in their younger days can point to a time or two when they reacted poorly in the immediate aftermath of a loss. It happens. What there's no excuse for is an adult fan (assuming that it was an adult if this interaction happened behind the benches) berating a college kid for any reason. You want to get on the coaches or refs, that's fine, so long as the verbal abuse doesn't turn into some sort of hate speech. They're adults, they should be able to handle it. Really, they should be able to handle some crackpot calling them all sorts of vile things, but then again they shouldn't have to.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 20, 2018 9:55:04 GMT -8
You might want to recheck your story before offering any testimony. Sorry, I didn't realize that I was dealing with the humor-challenged. Yes, it was USC players who rushed by me, as though to confront the alleged racist a*****e. Jordin Canada was not among them. Both of your posts on this subject had the incident happening against UCLA, not USC. I prefer facts to non-existent humor. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 20, 2018 9:59:21 GMT -8
Here's what's concerns me: People are already using this girl's emotional disorders in the past to discredit her. Because someone is depressed or anxious does not make them a fabricator of stories. You're basically saying that if it was anyone else, her story would be more believable. What I think happened is that some extremely ignorant person said something extremely inappropriate to a very emotional person as they left the court right after a loss. Moore, obviously and justifiably upset, heads to the locker room and fires off a series of tweets blaming OSU fans at large because she didn't see specifically who said whatever it was. Later, when she'd calmed down a little, she realized that it was unfair of her to cover the OSU women's basketball fanbase with this kind of blanket statement and deleted the comments....that, or she started to get a lot of people accusing her of being a sore loser or making sh*t up so she killed the tweet. I think anyone who played competitive sports in their younger days can point to a time or two when they reacted poorly in the immediate aftermath of a loss. It happens. What there's no excuse for is an adult fan (assuming that it was an adult if this interaction happened behind the benches) berating a college kid for any reason. You want to get on the coaches or refs, that's fine, so long as the verbal abuse doesn't turn into some sort of hate speech. They're adults, they should be able to handle it. Really, they should be able to handle some crackpot calling them all sorts of vile things, but then again they shouldn't have to. The player who says she was racially taunted is Simons, not Moore. Moore has not said she heard anything. She was simply the source of the tweets, repeating second-hand information. |
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Post by nabeav on Feb 20, 2018 10:05:12 GMT -8
The player who says she was racially taunted is Simons, not Moore. Moore has not said she heard anything. She was simply the source of the tweets, repeating second-hand information. Thanks for the clarification. I still think that my point stands that people are using Moore's public history of mental disorder to assume she's making this up or exaggerating the situation, and that is disheartening to me. |
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Post by nabeav on Feb 20, 2018 12:33:55 GMT -8
Thanks for the clarification. I still think that my point stands that people are using Moore's public history of mental disorder to assume she's making this up or exaggerating the situation, and that is disheartening to me. You mean hearing what she wants to hear? She wanted to hear someone call her racist things? Slippery slope you’re walking right now, dude. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 20, 2018 12:58:50 GMT -8
You mean hearing what she wants to hear? She wanted to hear someone call her racist things? Slippery slope you’re walking right now, dude. Fever seems to assume the accusers are always lying and have a sinister motive. It’s like somebody else I can think of.....Anyway.....Why IS that, fever? |
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 20, 2018 14:12:52 GMT -8
Ha! I figured that would get a rise. I’m about as liberal as Dick Nixon....which makes me too far left of Mussolini to to be in the gop today. No? BTW....I enjoyed the link you cited. A little out there....some truth......some assumptions....but enjoyable.
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 20, 2018 14:28:07 GMT -8
Just wanna know: You a fan of Alex Jones??
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 20, 2018 15:10:16 GMT -8
I believe there are false accusations made everyday. I don’t believe there is any effort by a cabal of “liberals” to squelch the truth. For every false accusation there are an equal, or greater number of actual grievances that are either unreported, or ignored. You probably don’t agree. Ok
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Post by willtalk on Feb 20, 2018 15:56:37 GMT -8
Here's what's concerns me: People are already using this girl's emotional disorders in the past to discredit her. Because someone is depressed or anxious does not make them a fabricator of stories. You're basically saying that if it was anyone else, her story would be more believable.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well Yes! If it was actually Moore who heard the things she stated were posted it would make a difference. The thing is that what Moore posted was taken second hand from what she believes was said via Simons. Moore is from my area and she seems very level headed and credible to me. When you take into consideration Simons history and the situation along with other factors the odds of her being an objective witness is very questionable. It appears to me that Moore just posted Simons perspective until she herself questioned it's veracity and removed the tweet. While it does not hold that a persons mental health situation in itself should be ever be used to discredit their believeablity, it should be factored into the picture as a whole. The very fact that Simon was emotionally distraught opens the possibility that her perspective was biased. That would be true even if she had no mental health issues. People often disassociate under extreme emotionally threatening situations. This pattern can be triggered by a similar situation to where there is only a partial disassociation and two separate incidents can often become confused. What happens in one situation gets confused with what happens in the other through the similar emotional response. We can see minor instances of that by peoples over reaction to simple trigger words. Simons over reaction on her 5th foul is just another example of that. I mean flinging Tudor to the ground at that point in the game made no logical sense. People often create justification for illogical actions in their own minds. I seriously doubt that her after game reactions were triggered by racist remarks. Still riding a player during and after a game is not really justified. While it is true Simon committed multiple actions in the course of the game to tick people off, two wrongs do not make a right. The effect this sort of thing can have on a person already dealing with various issues can be very damaging. Does it matter if it was racially motivated or school loyalty motivated. The harassment on a player is still a personal attack and in some ways no different than the very actions in the game that tick off the fans. I think the officials allowed the game to get too physical. it's sort of on them. At about 6:56 in the first quarter Tudor was body slammed from the back on her drive to the basket with no foul call by Edwards. That was the key non call. One of the announcers made a statement about letting them play. That was a hard foul that should have been called. You could tell by the change in acceleration of Tudors body after contact. Ironically before the clock ticked off another second is when Simon got another early foul by pushing Tudor under the basket. If anyone deserved harassment it was the officials. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 20, 2018 15:58:04 GMT -8
The player who says she was racially taunted is Simons, not Moore. Moore has not said she heard anything. She was simply the source of the tweets, repeating second-hand information. Thanks for the clarification. I still think that my point stands that people are using Moore's public history of mental disorder to assume she's making this up or exaggerating the situation, and that is disheartening to me. So you don't even know the story and yet you feel qualified to say what others are meaning? |
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Post by willtalk on Feb 20, 2018 16:09:04 GMT -8
The player who says she was racially taunted is Simons, not Moore. Moore has not said she heard anything. She was simply the source of the tweets, repeating second-hand information. Thanks for the clarification. I still think that my point stands that people are using Moore's public history of mental disorder to assume she's making this up or exaggerating the situation, and that is disheartening to me. To clarify. Moore does not have a history of a mental disorder. She is about as even tempered and functional as you can get. It is Simon who has the history. This is another example on how information can be distorted from person to person. So we shouldn't be surprised that any second hand information can be held up to question. |
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 20, 2018 17:29:47 GMT -8
Thanks for the clarification. I still think that my point stands that people are using Moore's public history of mental disorder to assume she's making this up or exaggerating the situation, and that is disheartening to me. To clarify. Moore does not have a history of a mental disorder. She is about as even tempered and functional as you can get. It is Simon who has the history. This is another example on how information can be distorted from person to person. So we shouldn't be surprised that any second hand information can be held up to question. Welcome aboard Matey! |
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