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Post by justdamwin on Feb 10, 2018 9:30:06 GMT -8
Grenier and Madrigal are possibly the two best fielders at their position, the two most important positions the fielding percentage . Strong up the middle, Adley and Kwan is solid. Gretler- Anderson this team can field OS won’t carry a sub 2 ERA. That’s the kind of stuff that leads to 56 wins. Stanford’s staff is very good. Two Friday night guys and depth. Conforto hit his number partially due to a murders row. And Michaels a really good hitter. Larnach will be protected in the lineup also. Adley and Grenier make the improvements they are both physically capable of and this is one of the best top to bottom offensive units ever in Corvallis and since the Beavs play for the title he gets plenty of AB Edit: warm spring in the northwest helps ball fly off the bat in the relevant stadiums. Well... I've repeatedly posted stats to show this and last years team are not close to the most potent lineups, so I'll not be reposting. Second, Trevor is in no way a complete hitter let alone in Conforto's "league"... protected or not. Third, OSU will field the ball better than most. But, as a "9" were not outstanding. In terms of a "great D"... we're average at best at catcher overall/ great at shine things, below average in some... the two in the middle are good, but not so crazy good they can make up for the ball finding other people since I'm fairly certain more balls will be put in play this year... completely unknown at 1B (possibly far less athletic than last year depending on who is there)... and the OF can be very athletic or overall average depending which 3. As previously stated above... we were vey good last year and still not a top 10 team in fielding. I do not think that or pitching will come "close" to matching... really no big surprise considering 56-6 is most likely a once in a life time record. The offense will have to improve overall. It can't be carried by 3 guys... and hope for several dramatic comebacks/walk offs. 22+ Pac12 wins and 45+ overall would be fantastic. But, this could easily be a 18-12/38-18 type team... there were a lot of career type years last year and a lot of unknowns coming in. We'll soon see! Larnach is not the complete hitter Conforto is/was, nowhere near the balance, hands inside, contact and power swing of Conforto. Larnach however has more power. Hard rotational hitter with hands slightly outside generating great pull on the ball. He just needs 12 mistake pitches to turn around. In this lineup I think he gets them. |
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Post by BeaverG20 on Feb 10, 2018 15:23:10 GMT -8
Well... I've repeatedly posted stats to show this and last years team are not close to the most potent lineups, so I'll not be reposting. Second, Trevor is in no way a complete hitter let alone in Conforto's "league"... protected or not. Third, OSU will field the ball better than most. But, as a "9" were not outstanding. In terms of a "great D"... we're average at best at catcher overall/ great at shine things, below average in some... the two in the middle are good, but not so crazy good they can make up for the ball finding other people since I'm fairly certain more balls will be put in play this year... completely unknown at 1B (possibly far less athletic than last year depending on who is there)... and the OF can be very athletic or overall average depending which 3. As previously stated above... we were vey good last year and still not a top 10 team in fielding. I do not think that or pitching will come "close" to matching... really no big surprise considering 56-6 is most likely a once in a life time record. The offense will have to improve overall. It can't be carried by 3 guys... and hope for several dramatic comebacks/walk offs. 22+ Pac12 wins and 45+ overall would be fantastic. But, this could easily be a 18-12/38-18 type team... there were a lot of career type years last year and a lot of unknowns coming in. We'll soon see! Larnach is not the complete hitter Conforto is/was, nowhere near the balance, hands inside, contact and power swing of Conforto. Larnach however has more power. Hard rotational hitter with hands slightly outside generating great pull on the ball. He just needs 12 mistake pitches to turn around. In this lineup I think he gets them. Considering the bombs I have seen Conforto hit in person against the ducks, and the exit velo he is showing off at times in the MLB, I really doubt Larnach has more power than Conforto. |
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Post by blackbug on Feb 10, 2018 22:48:32 GMT -8
Do not understand this discussion. Justdamwin is just adding to discussion by making predictions on the up coming season. The predictions are not very fun if they are predictable. He could be wrong, but he is just having some fun going out on a limb predicting some positive things that could happen. Here's my prediction the team is going to win at least 30 games. Not very fun, huh. Anyone could safely predict this. If someone takes a chance on a bold prediction I don't see the necessity of informing said person of the stupidity of this. Saying it does not happen very often but I hope it does is good enough. Of course if it is your rival predicting negative outcomes for your team that is another story. I have no desire to trash talk someone's bold prediction when I want it to happen.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 10, 2018 22:55:28 GMT -8
Do not understand this discussion. Justdamwin is just adding to discussion by making predictions on the up coming season. The predictions are not very fun if they are predictable. He could be wrong, but he just having some fun going out on a limb predicting some positive things that could happen. Here's my prediction the team is going to win at least 30 games. N And... some are making their own predictions based on his list. Nothing disparaging I've read. Am I missing something? |
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Post by blackbug on Feb 10, 2018 22:56:55 GMT -8
Do not understand this discussion. Justdamwin is just adding to discussion by making predictions on the up coming season. The predictions are not very fun if they are predictable. He could be wrong, but he just having some fun going out on a limb predicting some positive things that could happen. Here's my prediction the team is going to win at least 30 games. N And... some are making their own predictions based on his list. Nothing disparaging I've read. Am I missing something? Read the whole comment. My tablet did not cooperate. I felt that some at the very least insuated the stupidity of the poster based on his bold predictions. This is my opinion, nothing you can say will change this. If the predictions are not bold then they are not fun. You always miss things, so yes in my opinion you did. No I am not upset at all. The logic of trashing a bold prediction that we all want to happen seemed ridiculous. That is my point. |
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Post by justdamwin on Feb 11, 2018 14:10:01 GMT -8
Grenier and Madrigal are possibly the two best fielders at their position, the two most important positions the fielding percentage . Strong up the middle, Adley and Kwan is solid. Gretler- Anderson this team can field OS won’t carry a sub 2 ERA. That’s the kind of stuff that leads to 56 wins. Stanford’s staff is very good. Two Friday night guys and depth. Conforto hit his number partially due to a murders row. And Michaels a really good hitter. Larnach will be protected in the lineup also. Adley and Grenier make the improvements they are both physically capable of and this is one of the best top to bottom offensive units ever in Corvallis and since the Beavs play for the title he gets plenty of AB Edit: warm spring in the northwest helps ball fly off the bat in the relevant stadiums. Well... I've repeatedly posted stats to show this and last years team are not close to the most potent lineups, so I'll not be reposting. Second, Trevor is in no way a complete hitter let alone in Conforto's "league"... protected or not. Third, OSU will field the ball better than most. But, as a "9" were not outstanding. In terms of a "great D"... we're average at best at catcher overall/ great at shine things, below average in some... the two in the middle are good, but not so crazy good they can make up for the ball finding other people since I'm fairly certain more balls will be put in play this year... completely unknown at 1B (possibly far less athletic than last year depending on who is there)... and the OF can be very athletic or overall average depending which 3. As previously stated above... we were vey good last year and still not a top 10 team in fielding. I do not think that or pitching will come "close" to matching... really no big surprise considering 56-6 is most likely a once in a life time record. The offense will have to improve overall. It can't be carried by 3 guys... and hope for several dramatic comebacks/walk offs. 22+ Pac12 wins and 45+ overall would be fantastic. But, this could easily be a 18-12/38-18 type team... there were a lot of career type years last year and a lot of unknowns coming in. We'll soon see! [ How can you post stats about the 2018 team without them having played? Or are those really projections based on 2017 results? |
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Post by justdamwin on Feb 11, 2018 14:13:43 GMT -8
Larnach is not the complete hitter Conforto is/was, nowhere near the balance, hands inside, contact and power swing of Conforto. Larnach however has more power. Hard rotational hitter with hands slightly outside generating great pull on the ball. He just needs 12 mistake pitches to turn around. In this lineup I think he gets them. Considering the bombs I have seen Conforto hit in person against the ducks, and the exit velo he is showing off at times in the MLB, I really doubt Larnach has more power than Conforto. How many does Larnach hit? |
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Post by BeaverG20 on Feb 11, 2018 14:14:13 GMT -8
Considering the bombs I have seen Conforto hit in person against the ducks, and the exit velo he is showing off at times in the MLB, I really doubt Larnach has more power than Conforto. How many does Larnach hit? 8 |
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Post by justdamwin on Feb 11, 2018 14:22:05 GMT -8
How many does Larnach hit? 8 Rutschman? Does he hit to potential and big fly about eight times also? All the tools are there just needs to get adjusted. Gretler- 6? Grenier- 6 Madrigal - 6 Can Jack Anderson hit the ball that far again? So I’ll say Tyler Malone hits three. |
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Post by ricke71 on Feb 11, 2018 14:25:01 GMT -8
"... the two in the middle are good, but not so crazy good they can make up for the ball finding other people..."
OF course they can't do anything about the ball reaching other players - that's' a no-brainer.
But at least in the case of Grenier....He IS CRAZY GOOD. And Nick is quite a bit better than "good" as well.
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Post by BeaverG20 on Feb 11, 2018 14:26:24 GMT -8
Adley - 5
Gretler - 5
Madrigal - 3
Grenier - 4
Anderson - 3
Nobach - 3
Kwan - 1
Larnach - 8
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 11, 2018 15:13:11 GMT -8
Well... I've repeatedly posted stats to show this and last years team are not close to the most potent lineups, so I'll not be reposting. Second, Trevor is in no way a complete hitter let alone in Conforto's "league"... protected or not. Third, OSU will field the ball better than most. But, as a "9" were not outstanding. In terms of a "great D"... we're average at best at catcher overall/ great at shine things, below average in some... the two in the middle are good, but not so crazy good they can make up for the ball finding other people since I'm fairly certain more balls will be put in play this year... completely unknown at 1B (possibly far less athletic than last year depending on who is there)... and the OF can be very athletic or overall average depending which 3. As previously stated above... we were vey good last year and still not a top 10 team in fielding. I do not think that or pitching will come "close" to matching... really no big surprise considering 56-6 is most likely a once in a life time record. The offense will have to improve overall. It can't be carried by 3 guys... and hope for several dramatic comebacks/walk offs. 22+ Pac12 wins and 45+ overall would be fantastic. But, this could easily be a 18-12/38-18 type team... there were a lot of career type years last year and a lot of unknowns coming in. We'll soon see! [ How can you post stats about the 2018 team without them having played? Or are those really projections based on 2017 results? Oh no... talking past teams and player performances. We soon seem to forget some of the details of past teams. Overall, offensively 2017, 2016 teams don't compare. I wasn't dissing a team, especially 2018 that hasn't been played, just saying OSU has had some really really solid offensive (and defensive) teams in the recent past. Records don't match 56-6, but league was better, didn't catch all the great "breaks", and pitching staff maybe not as deep. Baseball is weird... stats don't not tell the whole story... but far. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 11, 2018 15:22:15 GMT -8
"... the two in the middle are good, but not so crazy good they can make up for the ball finding other people..." OF course they can't do anything about the ball reaching other players - that's' a no-brainer. But at least in the case of Grenier....He IS CRAZY GOOD. And Nick is quite a bit better than "good" as well. Beaver love not withstanding, "CRAZY GOOD" is reserved for a VERY VERY select few. Grenier is college good... maybe very good. But, he's not 1st Rd crazy good. He's as good as player that goes to college vs straight to minors or draft when first eligible. But, if you've seen as much baseball as I've seen you temper evaluations with love of team versus major league sure thing. Not even Nick is a MLB sure thing... and I'm of the opinion that Grenier is the better prospect. I'll also day that scouts think Gretler has the most room to grow and is the most versatile. Losing all three after 2018 will be a huge huge deal. I'm not sure PC has had three better I the infield at the same time. |
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Post by zeroposter on Feb 11, 2018 16:29:51 GMT -8
My predictions and I lol at this time.
First, Adley hits 5 out in Surprise. At the same time, I hope Trevor doesn't hit 5 in Surprise. He is a good bat when he isn't trying to pull everything. When he gets in the pull mode, he is not a good hitter.
Madrigal does hit 9 during the season. Kwan hits 5. Won't even guess at the others. Best home run production in many years.
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Post by ricke71 on Feb 11, 2018 16:35:54 GMT -8
"... the two in the middle are good, but not so crazy good they can make up for the ball finding other people..." OF course they can't do anything about the ball reaching other players - that's' a no-brainer. But at least in the case of Grenier....He IS CRAZY GOOD. And Nick is quite a bit better than "good" as well. Beaver love not withstanding, "CRAZY GOOD" is reserved for a VERY VERY select few. Grenier is college good... maybe very good. But, he's not 1st Rd crazy good. He's as good as player that goes to college vs straight to minors or draft when first eligible. But, if you've seen as much baseball as I've seen you temper evaluations with love of team versus major league sure thing. Not even Nick is a MLB sure thing... and I'm of the opinion that Grenier is the better prospect. I'll also day that scouts think Gretler has the most room to grow and is the most versatile. Losing all three after 2018 will be a huge huge deal. I'm not sure PC has had three better I the infield at the same time. Well....coming out of HS he actually WAS "1st Rd crazy good" according to the vaunted St. Louis Cardinal scouting system. They wanted Grenier in the 1st Round at 18th overall with an offer somewhere in the 4 million dollar range...when he made it clear he would become a Beav - under those circumstances - they went elsewhere with that draft pick. Now maybe they were wrong in their assessment and he would have struggled in various A and AA assignments out of HS as an 18 - 20 year old. Thankfully, we'll never know. With certainty, it can surely be said that the Gretler - Grenier - Madrigal presence hold a very special promise for all of us Beaver fans this season...and something that will likely provide a lot smiles to the faces of Beaver pitchers this season. |
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