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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 30, 2018 11:54:53 GMT -8
All I know is that when I go to a women's basketball game, I am there to watch basketball. The attractiveness of the player matters for squat. On the other hand, I often run into the women from the team when I am walking with my wife and dog before baseball games. Holy crap. They are some gorgeous ladies. Marie mugged my dog a couple of years ago, and all I could do is a stuttering, Cliff Claven immitation. Been there , done that... although a former player/then coach... Mandy Close and I had a mutual acquaintance that I had no idea... mugged my dog on the beach by Neskowin... had to go into the waves with my dog afterward! Thank gawd it was the dog or I'd never had made the waves... |
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Post by zeroposter on Jan 30, 2018 12:03:36 GMT -8
All I know is that when I go to a women's basketball game, I am there to watch basketball. The attractiveness of the player matters for squat. On the other hand, I often run into the women from the team when I am walking with my wife and dog before baseball games. Holy crap. They are some gorgeous ladies. Marie mugged my dog a couple of years ago, and all I could do is a stuttering, Cliff Claven immitation. Been there , done that... although a former player/then coach... Mandy Close and I had a mutual acquaintance that I had no idea... mugged my dog on the beach by Neskowin... had to go into the waves with my dog afterward! Thank gawd it was the dog or I'd never had made the waves... I do need to correct my earlier post. Though I was in attendance strictly to watch basketball, I never failed to notice Mandy Close and her attire during her assistant coaching stint at games. |
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Post by jdogge on Jan 30, 2018 16:01:55 GMT -8
To keep things shallow but in another direction than arguing with other posters - I think there are three pages on the Kat Tudor topic because she's our most attractive player in a long time. Actually, I think Marie is the bomb. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 30, 2018 17:15:28 GMT -8
While Kat brings the ball up with both hands her left hand falls to the side while her right hand releases the ball and follows through. Very unusual. With her fast release it is easiest to see her form in still photos or slow speed film.
She has used it successfully for several years now. Definitely if it's not broke don't fix it.
This is my take on her shot. And it's a good take. There is photographic evidence on her Instagram of a one handed release. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 30, 2018 18:27:16 GMT -8
While Kat brings the ball up with both hands her left hand falls to the side while her right hand releases the ball and follows through. Very unusual. With her fast release it is easiest to see her form in still photos or slow speed film.
She has used it successfully for several years now. Definitely if it's not broke don't fix it.
This is my take on her shot. And it's a good take. There is photographic evidence on her Instagram of a one handed release. Agreed. It's definitely not a 2-handed shot. Her left hand is just there for positioning it does not release toward the hoop. Is it "textbook form"? I don't know. It does look a little unorthodox - but I love the results.
 
Saw this interesting photo too. Kat shoots righty, writes lefty.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jan 30, 2018 19:43:02 GMT -8
She might have developed her shot when she was much younger and her left hand was needed to stabilize the ball.
Thanks for the photos that show her shot.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 30, 2018 20:41:32 GMT -8
And it's a good take. There is photographic evidence on her Instagram of a one handed release. Agreed. It's definitely not a 2-handed shot. Her left hand is just there for positioning it does not release toward the hoop. Is it "textbook form"? I don't know. It does look a little unorthodox - but I love the results.
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Saw this interesting photo too. Kat shoots righty, writes lefty.
According to the Game Notes, Marie also "Shoots right-handed, but writes left-handed." I wonder if this is more commonplace than one might think..... Go Beavers! |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 30, 2018 20:49:27 GMT -8
I went back and looked up Kat Tudor's scouting reports on HoopGurlz.... First, no mention of anything "unorthodox" about her shot, plenty of mention of her being among the elite shooters of the 2016 class. Secondly (and something I had forgotten), apparently she came back from a significant knee injury in HS. Many of the scouting reports mention her superior dribble drive ability......I wonder if she is finally back to high confidence on that knee? (witness Ben Kone's slow journey back, perhaps lengthened by the fact he might have come back before he truly was ready last season). I have noticed Kat finishes well, and has seemingly added dribble drive to the arsenal recently, but maybe she is adding that *back* in. Go Beavers! |
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 31, 2018 0:47:38 GMT -8
Kenny Sailors was known for his jump shot. The other arm's needed for your balance so switching to using one arm's what you have to do to make a jump shot. Wish I'd known this would be coming up and I'd have asked him many years ago. He would have been happy to tell me all about it. Loved talking basketball and helping people out. To be honest I have no clue how he shot set shots.
"everything to do with mechanics and physics of controlling one mechanism vs two with precision timing. In most cases people have dominate sides... and handedness. It is easier to create a more efficiently accurate motion with one hand. Period."
Interesting theory, does it work in any other sport? Tennis they switched from one handed back hand to two despite the loss in reach. Baseball most people bat with two hands. Hockey most peeps use two hands to control the stick. When you are having difficulty doing something with your hands do you usually think "Huh, better take the other hand away so I can be more accurate" or is it more often "I'll use both hands for better control"?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 6:27:13 GMT -8
Led by Kat Tudor, Oregon State on pace to crush 3-point recordA few of her threes that evening, including one taken with just a sliver of room between her and Ducks star guard Sabrina Ionescu, “kind of blew your mind,” OSU coach Scott Rueck said. Two days later, the Ducks’ defense again focused on Tudor. This time, the plan worked. Her point total was halved.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 31, 2018 8:30:24 GMT -8
Led by Kat Tudor, Oregon State on pace to crush 3-point recordA few of her threes that evening, including one taken with just a sliver of room between her and Ducks star guard Sabrina Ionescu, “kind of blew your mind,” OSU coach Scott Rueck said. Two days later, the Ducks’ defense again focused on Tudor. This time, the plan worked. Her point total was halved. Yeah, she scored 17, only four points above her average. Bragging about "halving" someone's point total when they go for 34 against you is stupid. I'm sure the Rochester Royals bragged about holding Wilt to 50 the night after he went for 100 against the Knicks, or that UCLA bragged about holding Gary to 29 the game after he went for 58 against USC. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 31, 2018 12:03:19 GMT -8
Kenny Sailors was known for his jump shot. The other arm's needed for your balance so switching to using one arm's what you have to do to make a jump shot. Wish I'd known this would be coming up and I'd have asked him many years ago. He would have been happy to tell me all about it. Loved talking basketball and helping people out. To be honest I have no clue how he shot set shots. "everything to do with mechanics and physics of controlling one mechanism vs two with precision timing. In most cases people have dominate sides... and handedness. It is easier to create a more efficiently accurate motion with one hand. Period." Interesting theory, does it work in any other sport? Tennis they switched from one handed back hand to two despite the loss in reach. Baseball most people bat with two hands. Hockey most peeps use two hands to control the stick. When you are having difficulty doing something with your hands do you usually think "Huh, better take the other hand away so I can be more accurate" or is it more often "I'll use both hands for better control"? Apples to oranges comparisons. But then again you know that. Tennis back hands, baseball, golf, etc ask have dominate and guide hands. A classic stroke as taught in hoops is the same. Argue all you'd like to, Kats shot is far from classic form... just have to watch it... horse sufficiently beaten. |
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Post by elmirabeaver on Jan 31, 2018 22:57:15 GMT -8
When you are having difficulty doing something with your hands do you usually think "Huh, better take the other hand away so I can be more accurate" or is it more often "I'll use both hands for better control"? Two handed darts anyone? Can't wait to see Heimlich's new two handed curveball this spring. And I can skip a great rock with two hands. I'd say that if you are throwing something, you generally would switch to one hand for accuracy. JMHO... |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 1, 2018 0:25:21 GMT -8
Objects so small you can't actually get two hands on them isn't a very useful comparison. Also range of motion needs to be considered.
Just my flu induced opinion.
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Post by 411500 on Feb 1, 2018 6:43:02 GMT -8
For those of you with a long basketball history at OSU you might remember Paul Miller - lanky 6'8" forward. Great shooter.
His release was very similar to Kat Tudor's.
Looked like a two hander until the last nano-second then it would be released by his shooting hand...
To the untrained eye his shot actually looked two-handed...
Does this ring a bell with anyone?
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