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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 3, 2016 18:34:50 GMT -8
Hopkins punted 3 times ever, roughly a 39 yd average. Don't know where the team was on the field. He used to boom them in practice, better distance and hang time than anyone on the roster, but his approach took too many steps and the coaches were worried about blocked punts. He apparently never got a 2 step (3? I can't remember which) approach down. It's amazing that 1 step would keep him from playing, but apparently it did.
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Post by Angus on Feb 3, 2016 20:52:03 GMT -8
I believe we did have the equivalent of a "5star" recruit in Fertig's 1st recruiting class, 1976?.
I could be wrong, but I believe that QB Scott Richardson was a "super blue-chip" at that time which would be very close to a 5star today.
There was also Jarvis Redwine who was also in near the same class who would have been very close to a 5star.
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 4, 2016 9:29:48 GMT -8
Really? wow... I am not sure where to even begin. Seumalo was hands down one of the best offensive lineman ever to come to OSU. I am not sure what on earth you are even pretending to look at there. We'll agree to disagree on this, but he's not in the top 10 of the last 10 years. He was not the best lineman on the team in 2 of the 3 years he played. So with the hype he came with overall his career fell short. But,that's why hype,fan expectations, recruiting #s mean squat. As Don James used to say, "... ask me in 4 years." When asked how good a recruiting was. Not top ten in last 10 years. crazy talk. Arguably top 3. Certainly top 5. He easily sits among Jeremy Perry, Scheuning, Levitre... actual OSU All Americans. in the last 10 years there have been a whopping 6 (I think) OL to make an NFL roster. Scheuning, Levitre, Koets, Andrews, DeVan, Remmers. A handful more made camps and were cut. Remmers made an NFL roster despite being an absolute holding machine. He will very likely be the second highest drafted OL player we have had. Not sure he goes before Levitre's 2nd round as he is probably a solid 3rd rounder. Seumalo was better, in all regards, than Koets, Andrews, DeVan AND current SB roster Remmers. He was still the best OL on the team this year, despite position change and missing a year of football. I do not have the data access, but I would bet he routinely was the top graded lineman, game in and game out over his career. I will not argue that his injuries did hamper him and derail an arguably stellar career. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 4, 2016 9:53:48 GMT -8
We'll agree to disagree on this, but he's not in the top 10 of the last 10 years. He was not the best lineman on the team in 2 of the 3 years he played. So with the hype he came with overall his career fell short. But,that's why hype,fan expectations, recruiting #s mean squat. As Don James used to say, "... ask me in 4 years." When asked how good a recruiting was. Not top ten in last 10 years. crazy talk. Arguably top 3. Certainly top 5. He easily sits among Jeremy Perry, Scheuning, Levitre... actual OSU All Americans. in the last 10 years there have been a whopping 6 (I think) OL to make an NFL roster. Scheuning, Levitre, Koets, Andrews, DeVan, Remmers. A handful more made camps and were cut. Remmers made an NFL roster despite being an absolute holding machine. He will very likely be the second highest drafted OL player we have had. Not sure he goes before Levitre's 2nd round as he is probably a solid 3rd rounder. Seumalo was better, in all regards, than Koets, Andrews, DeVan AND current SB roster Remmers. He was still the best OL on the team this year, despite position change and missing a year of football. I do not have the data access, but I would bet he routinely was the top graded lineman, game in and game out over his career. I will not argue that his injuries did hamper him and derail an arguably stellar career. Actually you just named over 10 that actually were better... who knows how he'll turn out in the NFL, BUT the topic was hype/recruiting rank vs actual playing results. Isaac never matched his hype... simple. Others you actually call out by name had equal or better careers with much less hype. If you simply want to rank OSU's best lineman then MAYBE he could get into top 15 (going back to some guys much smaller, but much better in the late 60's/70's)... but not if you considered the "get" he supposedly was when recruiting him. Crazy are people who think their opinions are superior to others and call then crazy... also simple... but sometimes simple people don't understand simple things! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 4, 2016 10:07:52 GMT -8
No, but almost. In 1981 I opted for the intramural route at the last minute. I thought it was best for me and my family.  |
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Post by beavs6 on Feb 4, 2016 11:50:22 GMT -8
No, but almost. In 1981 I opted for the intramural route at the last minute. I thought it was best for me and my family. In 1981 playing intra-murals was probably more competitive than being on the team. Dark times. (I kid, I kid...a little) |
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 4, 2016 12:06:44 GMT -8
Not top ten in last 10 years. crazy talk. Arguably top 3. Certainly top 5. He easily sits among Jeremy Perry, Scheuning, Levitre... actual OSU All Americans. in the last 10 years there have been a whopping 6 (I think) OL to make an NFL roster. Scheuning, Levitre, Koets, Andrews, DeVan, Remmers. A handful more made camps and were cut. Remmers made an NFL roster despite being an absolute holding machine. He will very likely be the second highest drafted OL player we have had. Not sure he goes before Levitre's 2nd round as he is probably a solid 3rd rounder. Seumalo was better, in all regards, than Koets, Andrews, DeVan AND current SB roster Remmers. He was still the best OL on the team this year, despite position change and missing a year of football. I do not have the data access, but I would bet he routinely was the top graded lineman, game in and game out over his career. I will not argue that his injuries did hamper him and derail an arguably stellar career. Actually you just named over 10 that actually were better... who knows how he'll turn out in the NFL, BUT the topic was hype/recruiting rank vs actual playing results. Isaac never matched his hype... simple. Others you actually call out by name had equal or better careers with much less hype. If you simply want to rank OSU's best lineman then MAYBE he could get into top 15 (going back to some guys much smaller, but much better in the late 60's/70's)... but not if you considered the "get" he supposedly was when recruiting him. Crazy are people who think their opinions are superior to others and call then crazy... also simple... but sometimes simple people don't understand simple things!chillax. this is a message board. People debate things on message boards. it is pretty much why they exist. Hype was he was a great player. he came in and started as a true freshman from snap one. at center. that meets hype. He absolutely man handled later first rounder Star loutouli, a senior, while he was a freshman. This year he pancaked Buckner repeatedly. DESTROYED a pretty sure fire first round pick for Oregon. Made him look like an infant. that was playing Tackle even, not his natural position. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 4, 2016 12:29:44 GMT -8
Actually you just named over 10 that actually were better... who knows how he'll turn out in the NFL, BUT the topic was hype/recruiting rank vs actual playing results. Isaac never matched his hype... simple. Others you actually call out by name had equal or better careers with much less hype. If you simply want to rank OSU's best lineman then MAYBE he could get into top 15 (going back to some guys much smaller, but much better in the late 60's/70's)... but not if you considered the "get" he supposedly was when recruiting him. Crazy are people who think their opinions are superior to others and call then crazy... also simple... but sometimes simple people don't understand simple things!chillax. this is a message board. People debate things on message boards. it is pretty much why they exist. Hype was he was a great player. he came in and started as a true freshman from snap one. at center. that meets hype. He absolutely man handled later first rounder Star loutouli, a senior, while he was a freshman. This year he pancaked Buckner repeatedly. DESTROYED a pretty sure fire first round pick for Oregon. Made him look like an infant. that was playing Tackle even, not his natural position. LOL... I seem to be the chill one. The only panties in an uproar are being worn by you. Seems to be a pattern when you're disagreed with. Here's a hint... you need to watch more than highlight plays... he never dominated either of the above mentioned on a regular basis... quite the contrary. Did he have his moments? Yep. As did they. Pretty common occurrence in OL/DL match ups. His Frosh year was his highlight year... never truly better than that year. Opinion backed by grades of his own coaches vs teammates. He was often not the highest OL grade among his own teammates. I'll give you a clue as told me directly by his former coach... if you have a STUD center you NEVER EVER move him, you coach up others to fill a RT or LG spot. I'll let you try figure out that pancaking a few guys on select plays is not all that there is to being a GREAT OL... especially a Center. So enough... I like Isaac... but, continuing this makes it as if I'm degrading him. Great kid, good OL, might stick in NFL... but not one of our all-time best... again, my OPINION... and not crazy! :>) |
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 4, 2016 13:15:21 GMT -8
chillax. this is a message board. People debate things on message boards. it is pretty much why they exist. Hype was he was a great player. he came in and started as a true freshman from snap one. at center. that meets hype. He absolutely man handled later first rounder Star loutouli, a senior, while he was a freshman. This year he pancaked Buckner repeatedly. DESTROYED a pretty sure fire first round pick for Oregon. Made him look like an infant. that was playing Tackle even, not his natural position. LOL... I seem to be the chill one. The only panties in an uproar are being worn by you. Seems to be a pattern when you're disagreed with.
Here's a hint... you need to watch more than highlight plays... he never dominated either of the above mentioned on a regular basis... quite the contrary. Did he have his moments? Yep. As did they. Pretty common occurrence in OL/DL match ups. His Frosh year was his highlight year... never truly better than that year. Opinion backed by grades of his own coaches vs teammates. He was often not the highest OL grade among his own teammates. I'll give you a clue as told me directly by his former coach... if you have a STUD center you NEVER EVER move him, you coach up others to fill a RT or LG spot. I'll let you try figure out that pancaking a few guys on select plays is not all that there is to being a GREAT OL... especially a Center. So enough... I like Isaac... but, continuing this makes it as if I'm degrading him. Great kid, good OL, might stick in NFL... but not one of our all-time best... again, my OPINION... and not crazy! :>) Hardly twisted panties. Imagine this scene, you and I are sitting at a bar: you: I don't really think Seumalo lived up to expectations. me: what? really? I think he was pretty good. probably one of the best at OSU You: no, I don't think he is even top 10 in last 10 years me: what? that is crazy talk. Levitre, remmers, blah, blah, blah... see, that seems to me like a pretty standard conversation about football things to me. In real life we would have this back and forth. and had I just said, "that is crazy talk" you would not stop the dialogue, in a face to face setting to say " what is crazy is you thinking your opinion is better than mine..." you'd probably go "No, it is not crazy because... blah..blah...blah" you would continue to defend your position and I would continue to defend mine until we got distracted, somebody won, or we drank to much beer and couldn't keep talking. just engaging somebody as I would if I was talking to them in real life. It seems to me, people have a real hard time interpreting posting, and not considering the conversational tone that most of us naturally communicate in. Nobody here is penning great works of literature. We are usually talking in a stream of consciousness style way. but oddly, we all seem to get all twisted up about it when we read it. Yet we would never get all bent out of shape if we were standing around the tailgater talking like this. We say figures of speech like "crazy talk" or "that is nuts" or whatever all the time in day to day conversation. It is almost never meant in a serious way. it is exactly what it is. a figure of speech used to emphasize disagreement, not an attack on a person. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 4, 2016 13:47:46 GMT -8
LOL... in the world according to you of course since it was said by you... nothing is offensive. If we were in said bar we'd probably have some sort of relationship to have said conversation. Apples and oranges. Crazy!
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Post by fumblerooski on Feb 4, 2016 14:28:38 GMT -8
chillax. this is a message board. People debate things on message boards. it is pretty much why they exist. Hype was he was a great player. he came in and started as a true freshman from snap one. at center. that meets hype. He absolutely man handled later first rounder Star loutouli, a senior, while he was a freshman. This year he pancaked Buckner repeatedly. DESTROYED a pretty sure fire first round pick for Oregon. Made him look like an infant. that was playing Tackle even, not his natural position. LOL... I seem to be the chill one. The only panties in an uproar are being worn by you. Seems to be a pattern when you're disagreed with. Here's a hint... you need to watch more than highlight plays... he never dominated either of the above mentioned on a regular basis... quite the contrary. Did he have his moments? Yep. As did they. Pretty common occurrence in OL/DL match ups. His Frosh year was his highlight year... never truly better than that year. Opinion backed by grades of his own coaches vs teammates. He was often not the highest OL grade among his own teammates. I'll give you a clue as told me directly by his former coach... if you have a STUD center you NEVER EVER move him, you coach up others to fill a RT or LG spot. I'll let you try figure out that pancaking a few guys on select plays is not all that there is to being a GREAT OL... especially a Center. So enough... I like Isaac... but, continuing this makes it as if I'm degrading him. Great kid, good OL, might stick in NFL... but not one of our all-time best... again, my OPINION... and not crazy! :>) Thank you for using the "panties in an uproar" quote. I doubt many people got it but I thoroughly appreciated that. Actually laughed out loud on that one. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 4, 2016 14:41:05 GMT -8
LOL... in the world according to you of course since it was said by you... nothing is offensive. If we were in said bar we'd probably have some sort of relationship to have said conversation. Apples and oranges. Crazy! Why would you laugh out loud at my opinion? do you think your opinion is superior to mine? do you want to belittle my statements by laughing in my face about it? (that is obvious sarcasm) "crazy talk" is a common American colloquialism. to paint it as an offensive statement is...well... crazy talk. And really? you don't strike up conversations with people at bars and/or other social places? I feel that is not that unusual of a thing to do, but then again, I was born well before Facebook. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 4, 2016 15:18:49 GMT -8
LOL... in the world according to you of course since it was said by you... nothing is offensive. If we were in said bar we'd probably have some sort of relationship to have said conversation. Apples and oranges. Crazy! Why would you laugh out loud at my opinion? do you think your opinion is superior to mine? do you want to belittle my statements by laughing in my face about it? (that is obvious sarcasm) "crazy talk" is a common American colloquialism. to paint it as an offensive statement is...well... crazy talk. And really? you don't strike up conversations with people at bars and/or other social places? I feel that is not that unusual of a thing to do, but then again, I was born well before Facebook. LOL... is a is a common American acronym... to paint it as directed as a statement my thoughts are superior, or laughing AT you or your opinion... or belittling you is well, crazier talk! It could be laughing at the inane continuation of this thread??? Just a possible scenario for you to consider... And, also born (never been to a FB page or wall or  ) before FB (as most on here are... as FB is only 12 years old... inception in 2004) and do quite often strike up random conversations. But, I would never be so rude to use "a common American colloquialism" such as that to a person I just met. Might think it, but then again I was born in a time certain social graces were used even IF we thought someone was crazy... no sarcasm included. |
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Post by osubeavs721 on Feb 4, 2016 15:31:50 GMT -8
Why would you laugh out loud at my opinion? do you think your opinion is superior to mine? do you want to belittle my statements by laughing in my face about it? (that is obvious sarcasm) "crazy talk" is a common American colloquialism. to paint it as an offensive statement is...well... crazy talk. And really? you don't strike up conversations with people at bars and/or other social places? I feel that is not that unusual of a thing to do, but then again, I was born well before Facebook. LOL... is a is a common American acronym... to paint it as directed as a statement my thoughts are superior, or laughing AT you or your opinion... or belittling you is well, crazier talk! It could be laughing at the inane continuation of this thread??? Just a possible scenario for you to consider... I just wanted to say that's factually wrong. How about we both lighten up guys. It's a message board and we are on the same team. no reason to quibble about stuff like this. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 4, 2016 15:40:46 GMT -8
LOL... is a is a common American acronym... to paint it as directed as a statement my thoughts are superior, or laughing AT you or your opinion... or belittling you is well, crazier talk! It could be laughing at the inane continuation of this thread??? Just a possible scenario for you to consider... I just wanted to say that's factually wrong. How about we both lighten up guys. It's a message board and we are on the same team. no reason to quibble about stuff like this. Hence the LOL... how do you know if either need to 'lighten up' Facts seem to escape you. Oh... and what is it that is factually wrong?? |
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) before FB (as most on here are... as FB is only 12 years old... inception in 2004) and do quite often strike up random conversations. But, I would never be so rude to use "a common American colloquialism" such as that to a person I just met. Might think it, but then again I was born in a time certain social graces were used even IF we thought someone was crazy... no sarcasm included.