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Post by beavheart on Nov 26, 2017 12:49:50 GMT -8
No need to rehash what we've all seen to this point. Perhaps what bothers me the most a day after letting our rival push us around like we just don't care is that it seems like we have completely lost our identity. Our program is in a dangerous place. Everyone knows that. I believe, more than anything what is needed right now is to stay calm. It is too easy to let the pressure of "turning things around" or "getting a coach that will fix everything" become the driving force in a situation like this.
Seems like what is needed right now is not a rush to descision on a coaching hire because we are feeling pressure to get our guy before the shelf is empty on the coaching aisle, or to appease a fanbase that is desperate for change. The damage is done. Horse is out of the barn. Personally, I would like to see a little self-control, and some soul searching going into the decisions going forward.
As a program, we need to ask ourselves - Who are we? Who do we want to be? Take away the sting of losing and pressure of keeping up with every new fad in CFB and answer just what kind of program do we want to be, and what kind of coach would we hire without some sense of urgency that is a fabrication of forces we can't control.
Say what you want about Riley, but I can say that I long for the days that our reputation was that of a blue-collar, hard working, hard hitting program. We got that rep by playing that way. Didn't always have the best guys, but we did always play hard. We started to lose that rep towards the end of his time here, but we never saw the kind of giving up we are seeing now. I believe that had more to do with a changing landscape in the sport and increasing parity across the board, but it was the way things went and we can't go back.
The Anderson hire never felt good to me, and seemed like the exact kind of decision OSU would make while letting outside forces tell us how we should act, or the direction we should take our program. Sure, it seemed like smart thing to do, because a bunch of sports writers said he was up and coming and noise was being made about what a good coach he was. The moment I saw him in an interview it immediately felt like a politician trying to sell me on "his way of doing things." Not the kind of genuine person we need at OSU. Face it, we went for the "splash" hire with Anderson, spent a boat load of money, and it blew up in our faces.
It was great to see the energy that coach Hall brought to the team after CGA left, but it sure seems like we are still straying well away from the identity that got us out of the culture of losing we were stuck in in the first place. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I don't get the culture today. It is embarrassing to see all the front-running crap that kids and athletes show today. What happened to keeping your mouth shut and carrying a big stick? I couldn't believe my eyes as I watched our team jump around on the sidelines like they had just won something, BEFORE the ASU game had even started. What did we do? We LOST that game. What the hell is wrong with people these days?
I hate to say it, but It sure as hell doesn't help when you talk crap before your rivalry game, and then play like things are just supposed to go your way. It pains me to see my Beavs trying to act like the front-running fools from other programs, when what made us unique was that we were old school, and did things "the right way."
I really hope that Barnes and Ray slow this down a bit, and take the time to make a hire that is right for US, and not just to appease all the asshats out there that need instant gratification. Will that be Baldwin? Or someone else? I have no idea since I don't get to be in the board room, but it isn't that hard to identify people that are genuine and the right fit if you are being honest with yourself.
First order of business, OSU needs to do some soul searching and be honest about still digging out of the administration abandoning football way back when. We need to identify just where we want to be, and WHO we want to be, and go after that. This is going to take continued work, and more fortitude than a lot of other programs are required to invest.
I've said it before, but I still believe this is on all of us. It is incumbent upon every part of Beaver nation to support, and guide where this thing goes. From the coach, to the way people show up and support. It all matters. Giving up on the program doesn't help. Letting the way others do things influence our actions is a death knell. Time to get back to basics. Shut the hell up, and play with conviction. Keep your self-defeating anger to yourself, and continue to show up and cheer.
Time to get real Beavs.
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Post by lebaneaver on Nov 26, 2017 13:12:44 GMT -8
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 26, 2017 13:23:06 GMT -8
We have our guy.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Nov 26, 2017 13:35:50 GMT -8
If our guy is Baldwin I can't think of what would be holding up the announcement except incompetence? His season is over, our season is over, they have had plenty of time to work out a contract. Unless one party is still looking? And if one party is still looking, do we really have our guy? |
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Post by ag87 on Nov 26, 2017 14:02:59 GMT -8
If we have our guy, it means that guy is still coaching (I mean a game next weekend and not a future bowl game). Is that what you are saying or do you see another alternative? |
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Post by biggieorange on Nov 26, 2017 14:45:06 GMT -8
No need to rehash what we've all seen to this point. Perhaps what bothers me the most a day after letting our rival push us around like we just don't care is that it seems like we have completely lost our identity. Our program is in a dangerous place. Everyone knows that. I believe, more than anything what is needed right now is to stay calm. It is too easy to let the pressure of "turning things around" or "getting a coach that will fix everything" become the driving force in a situation like this. Seems like what is needed right now is not a rush to descision on a coaching hire because we are feeling pressure to get our guy before the shelf is empty on the coaching aisle, or to appease a fanbase that is desperate for change. The damage is done. Horse is out of the barn. Personally, I would like to see a little self-control, and some soul searching going into the decisions going forward. As a program, we need to ask ourselves - Who are we? Who do we want to be? Take away the sting of losing and pressure of keeping up with every new fad in CFB and answer just what kind of program do we want to be, and what kind of coach would we hire without some sense of urgency that is a fabrication of forces we can't control. Say what you want about Riley, but I can say that I long for the days that our reputation was that of a blue-collar, hard working, hard hitting program. We got that rep by playing that way. Didn't always have the best guys, but we did always play hard. We started to lose that rep towards the end of his time here, but we never saw the kind of giving up we are seeing now. I believe that had more to do with a changing landscape in the sport and increasing parity across the board, but it was the way things went and we can't go back. The Anderson hire never felt good to me, and seemed like the exact kind of decision OSU would make while letting outside forces tell us how we should act, or the direction we should take our program. Sure, it seemed like smart thing to do, because a bunch of sports writers said he was up and coming and noise was being made about what a good coach he was. The moment I saw him in an interview it immediately felt like a politician trying to sell me on "his way of doing things." Not the kind of genuine person we need at OSU. Face it, we went for the "splash" hire with Anderson, spent a boat load of money, and it blew up in our faces. It was great to see the energy that coach Hall brought to the team after CGA left, but it sure seems like we are still straying well away from the identity that got us out of the culture of losing we were stuck in in the first place. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I don't get the culture today. It is embarrassing to see all the front-running crap that kids and athletes show today. What happened to keeping your mouth shut and carrying a big stick? I couldn't believe my eyes as I watched our team jump around on the sidelines like they had just won something, BEFORE the ASU game had even started. What did we do? We LOST that game. What the hell is wrong with people these days? I hate to say it, but It sure as hell doesn't help when you talk crap before your rivalry game, and then play like things are just supposed to go your way. It pains me to see my Beavs trying to act like the front-running fools from other programs, when what made us unique was that we were old school, and did things "the right way." I really hope that Barnes and Ray slow this down a bit, and take the time to make a hire that is right for US, and not just to appease all the asshats out there that need instant gratification. Will that be Baldwin? Or someone else? I have no idea since I don't get to be in the board room, but it isn't that hard to identify people that are genuine and the right fit if you are being honest with yourself. First order of business, OSU needs to do some soul searching and be honest about still digging out of the administration abandoning football way back when. We need to identify just where we want to be, and WHO we want to be, and go after that. This is going to take continued work, and more fortitude than a lot of other programs are required to invest. I've said it before, but I still believe this is on all of us. It is incumbent upon every part of Beaver nation to support, and guide where this thing goes. From the coach, to the way people show up and support. It all matters. Giving up on the program doesn't help. Letting the way others do things influence our actions is a death knell. Time to get back to basics. Shut the hell up, and play with conviction. Keep your self-defeating anger to yourself, and continue to show up and cheer. Time to get real Beavs. Culture?!? Dude I'm over here questioning if we need to just disband the team. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Nov 26, 2017 14:48:43 GMT -8
Would everybody kindly take a deep breath. Some of you need to stay off the road and at home have all the sharp instruments put away. Barnes will find somebody we will be proud of.
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Post by alwaysorange on Nov 26, 2017 14:49:23 GMT -8
Now don't you feel better?
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Post by beavheart on Nov 26, 2017 15:32:40 GMT -8
Dude I'm over here questioning if we need to just disband the team. Kind of my point. An emotional response is the last thing we need. Might be what you WANT to do, but it is the worst thing you could do for the situation. Whoever we hire, the culture around the program is up to us. The people who make up the program and fan base. There's a reason many programs weather coaching changes. We could us some identity like programs like Wisky and Va Tech. We do have some say in how things roll at OSU. Throwing in the towel is not an option. |
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Post by beavs6 on Nov 26, 2017 16:31:07 GMT -8
Dude I'm over here questioning if we need to just disband the team. Kind of my point. An emotional response is the last thing we need. Might be what you WANT to do, but it is the worst thing you could do for the situation. Whoever we hire, the culture around the program is up to us. The people who make up the program and fan base. There's a reason many programs weather coaching changes. We could us some identity like programs like Wisky and Va Tech. We do have some say in how things roll at OSU. Throwing in the towel is not an option. How many coaching changes has V Tech had over the last 25+ years? How many years has BA been a part of Wisky? It is part of the reason WHY those schools have an identity. |
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Post by skyrider on Nov 26, 2017 17:25:41 GMT -8
No need to rehash what we've all seen to this point. Perhaps what bothers me the most a day after letting our rival push us around like we just don't care is that it seems like we have completely lost our identity. Our program is in a dangerous place. Everyone knows that. I believe, more than anything what is needed right now is to stay calm. It is too easy to let the pressure of "turning things around" or "getting a coach that will fix everything" become the driving force in a situation like this. Seems like what is needed right now is not a rush to descision on a coaching hire because we are feeling pressure to get our guy before the shelf is empty on the coaching aisle, or to appease a fanbase that is desperate for change. The damage is done. Horse is out of the barn. Personally, I would like to see a little self-control, and some soul searching going into the decisions going forward. As a program, we need to ask ourselves - Who are we? Who do we want to be? Take away the sting of losing and pressure of keeping up with every new fad in CFB and answer just what kind of program do we want to be, and what kind of coach would we hire without some sense of urgency that is a fabrication of forces we can't control. Say what you want about Riley, but I can say that I long for the days that our reputation was that of a blue-collar, hard working, hard hitting program. We got that rep by playing that way. Didn't always have the best guys, but we did always play hard. We started to lose that rep towards the end of his time here, but we never saw the kind of giving up we are seeing now. I believe that had more to do with a changing landscape in the sport and increasing parity across the board, but it was the way things went and we can't go back. The Anderson hire never felt good to me, and seemed like the exact kind of decision OSU would make while letting outside forces tell us how we should act, or the direction we should take our program. Sure, it seemed like smart thing to do, because a bunch of sports writers said he was up and coming and noise was being made about what a good coach he was. The moment I saw him in an interview it immediately felt like a politician trying to sell me on "his way of doing things." Not the kind of genuine person we need at OSU. Face it, we went for the "splash" hire with Anderson, spent a boat load of money, and it blew up in our faces. It was great to see the energy that coach Hall brought to the team after CGA left, but it sure seems like we are still straying well away from the identity that got us out of the culture of losing we were stuck in in the first place. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I don't get the culture today. It is embarrassing to see all the front-running crap that kids and athletes show today. What happened to keeping your mouth shut and carrying a big stick? I couldn't believe my eyes as I watched our team jump around on the sidelines like they had just won something, BEFORE the ASU game had even started. What did we do? We LOST that game. What the hell is wrong with people these days? I hate to say it, but It sure as hell doesn't help when you talk crap before your rivalry game, and then play like things are just supposed to go your way. It pains me to see my Beavs trying to act like the front-running fools from other programs, when what made us unique was that we were old school, and did things "the right way." I really hope that Barnes and Ray slow this down a bit, and take the time to make a hire that is right for US, and not just to appease all the asshats out there that need instant gratification. Will that be Baldwin? Or someone else? I have no idea since I don't get to be in the board room, but it isn't that hard to identify people that are genuine and the right fit if you are being honest with yourself. First order of business, OSU needs to do some soul searching and be honest about still digging out of the administration abandoning football way back when. We need to identify just where we want to be, and WHO we want to be, and go after that. This is going to take continued work, and more fortitude than a lot of other programs are required to invest. I've said it before, but I still believe this is on all of us. It is incumbent upon every part of Beaver nation to support, and guide where this thing goes. From the coach, to the way people show up and support. It all matters. Giving up on the program doesn't help. Letting the way others do things influence our actions is a death knell. Time to get back to basics. Shut the hell up, and play with conviction. Keep your self-defeating anger to yourself, and continue to show up and cheer. Time to get real Beavs. |
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Post by skyrider on Nov 26, 2017 17:35:21 GMT -8
Amen Brother! Well written and heart felt! I currently am having a bad feeling about the seeming pressure from OSU sources to convince everyone that Beau Baldwin is "the answer".
I have nothing against Coach Baldwin and he may indeed end up being a good/great D1 head coach.
However, OSU sources and local media (Clownzono) are "spin doctoring" as if
Coach Baldwin is the second coming of Nick Saban. Rather than do what is necessary to rebuild the program (as you so clearly state needs to be done) OSU leadership seems to want to quickly jam Baldwin down our throats and convince us that they have taken care of the football program "problem"
The reality about Coach Baldwin is that no other D1 program (major/mid-major/bottom level) has evidenced any significant interest in him as a head coach.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 26, 2017 17:43:30 GMT -8
Amen Brother! Well written and heart felt! I currently am having a bad feeling about the seeming pressure from OSU sources to convince everyone that Beau Baldwin is "the answer". I have nothing against Coach Baldwin and he may indeed end up being a good/great D1 head coach. However, OSU sources and local media (Clownzono) are "spin doctoring" as if Coach Baldwin is the second coming of Nick Saban. Rather than do what is necessary to rebuild the program (as you so clearly state needs to be done) OSU leadership seems to want to quickly jam Baldwin down our throats and convince us that they have taken care of the football program "problem" The reality about Coach Baldwin is that no other D1 program (major/mid-major/bottom level) has evidenced any significant interest in him as a head coach. "The reality about Coach Baldwin is that no other D1 program (major/mid-major/bottom level) has evidenced any significant interest in him as a head coach." Are you sure? How do you know? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 26, 2017 17:53:55 GMT -8
Amen Brother! Well written and heart felt! I currently am having a bad feeling about the seeming pressure from OSU sources to convince everyone that Beau Baldwin is "the answer". I have nothing against Coach Baldwin and he may indeed end up being a good/great D1 head coach. However, OSU sources and local media (Clownzono) are "spin doctoring" as if Coach Baldwin is the second coming of Nick Saban. Rather than do what is necessary to rebuild the program (as you so clearly state needs to be done) OSU leadership seems to want to quickly jam Baldwin down our throats and convince us that they have taken care of the football program "problem" The reality about Coach Baldwin is that no other D1 program (major/mid-major/bottom level) has evidenced any significant interest in him as a head coach. "The reality about Coach Baldwin is that no other D1 program (major/mid-major/bottom level) has evidenced any significant interest in him as a head coach." Are you sure? How do you know? Just have to read other boards and national sites. Not one mention other than OSU. Not even UTEP... as of Wednesday. |
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