|
Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 26, 2017 18:11:52 GMT -8
Nobody wanted Riley in 1997, or in 2003. Nobody wanted Dennis in 1999. Nobody wanted Pete Carroll in 2002. Nobody wanted Chris Petersen in 2003. Nobody wanted Wilcox last year. Etc., etc.
|
|
|
Post by spudbeaver on Nov 26, 2017 18:18:31 GMT -8
"The reality about Coach Baldwin is that no other D1 program (major/mid-major/bottom level) has evidenced any significant interest in him as a head coach." Are you sure? How do you know? Just have to read other boards and national sites. Not one mention other than OSU. Not even UTEP... as of Wednesday. For one I was talking about the past and the present. Just because fan sites don't talk about a guy being a candidate doesn't mean he isn't one. Mainly my point was that the only people who really know (reality) are the parties involved. Heck, look how we're chasing our tails around here, not to mention the QGA hire, who nobody on our site knew about.
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 26, 2017 18:28:57 GMT -8
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Nov 26, 2017 20:53:41 GMT -8
And he was just a finalist at Nevada but HC here?
Syracuse was "Bo who"... but we people all in?
As I and others have said, who knows who was interested, but if Baldwin is the best who was... yikes!
Can he be successful? Sure... only if he can recruit... a staff that can teach and inspire... and players for this level.
But, there had been so much talk about him typically searches go a different direction. A great one I hope.
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 26, 2017 23:20:22 GMT -8
Hey, Norvell didn’t make the cut at Nevada either and some want him here. He turned out all right after the Nevada snub, I bet Baldwin will as well.
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Nov 27, 2017 0:03:45 GMT -8
Hey, Norvell didn’t make the cut at Nevada either and some want him here. He turned out all right after the Nevada snub, I bet Baldwin will as well. And, Norvell had since been a D1 HC at the FBS level.
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 27, 2017 7:59:39 GMT -8
Hey, Norvell didn’t make the cut at Nevada either and some want him here. He turned out all right after the Nevada snub, I bet Baldwin will as well. And, Norvell had since been a D1 HC at the FBS level. Point being a guy can get turned away from Nevada and still do well. You’re not grasping at the negative as hard as gobeavs92 is when it comes to Baldwin, but you’re not giving either Baldwin nor the AD much slack either. You mentioned elsewhere you want the AD to go through all the motions and try to get a good coach, it appears they are doing just that. Just because we don’t end up with a Tedford or Miles (guys that I’d prefer over Baldwin) doesn’t mean the AD didn’t try.
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Nov 27, 2017 8:30:31 GMT -8
And, Norvell had since been a D1 HC at the FBS level. Point being a guy can get turned away from Nevada and still do well. You’re not grasping at the negative as hard as gobeavs92 is when it comes to Baldwin, but you’re not giving either Baldwin nor the AD much slack either. You mentioned elsewhere you want the AD to go through all the motions and try to get a good coach, it appears they are doing just that. Just because we don’t end up with a Tedford or Miles (guys that I’d prefer over Baldwin) doesn’t mean the AD didn’t try. My point in Baldwin has always been the same... he needs more experience at this level. Norvell had much more experience... 3-4 building his resume at Tulsa, Pitt for a year and 3 at ASU. The 7-8 years gives him not only a great body of work, but recruiting experience/ties, and coaching relationships. Baldwin needs more time to get there, otherwise he's a much larger risk... in a much tougher conference than the AAC.
|
|
|
Post by biggieorange on Nov 27, 2017 8:30:43 GMT -8
Dude I'm over here questioning if we need to just disband the team. Kind of my point. An emotional response is the last thing we need. Might be what you WANT to do, but it is the worst thing you could do for the situation. Whoever we hire, the culture around the program is up to us. The people who make up the program and fan base. There's a reason many programs weather coaching changes. We could us some identity like programs like Wisky and Va Tech. We do have some say in how things roll at OSU. Throwing in the towel is not an option. It sounded funnier in my head, but I think OSU needs more than a "culture" change. This team is flat out just bad, they need some basic structure and discipline. They also suffer from a severe lack of confidence in the system, which in my opinion is the being of the Gary Andersen problems, particularly on Offense.
|
|
|
Post by sessbeav on Nov 27, 2017 10:21:37 GMT -8
It is all just grist for the mill at this point - albeit entertaining grist. But as someone mentioned earlier; Gary Anderson came out of left field. Unless I am remembering incorrectly - GA was totally off the radar as a possible candidate. Does anyone recall hearing his name as even a whisper?
So here is what will really happen (from my inside sources)....
There will be a new HC hire Some will hate the hire Some will gush over the hire Some will take a wait and see approach
Regardless of who gets the job - barring some truly miraculous hire - it will, in all likelihood, be a long and painful road back to anything like respectability.
Sad but true.
As always - Go Beavs!
|
|
|
Post by korculabeav on Nov 27, 2017 11:24:39 GMT -8
It is all just grist for the mill at this point - albeit entertaining grist. But as someone mentioned earlier; Gary Anderson came out of left field. Unless I am remembering incorrectly - GA was totally off the radar as a possible candidate. Does anyone recall hearing his name as even a whisper? So here is what will really happen (from my inside sources).... There will be a new HC hire Some will hate the hire Some will gush over the hire Some will take a wait and see approach Regardless of who gets the job - barring some truly miraculous hire - it will, in all likelihood, be a long and painful road back to anything like respectability. Sad but true. As always - Go Beavs! QA came on the scene when BDC called him to get a reference on Matt Wells. That is when QA put himself out there. The thing that is now a red flag from that exchange is GA was looking for an out of the Wisky situation for reasons not evident at the time. What we have all put together is QA runs from stressful situations even at the expense of notoriety, guaranteed salaries and job security. He walked away from a Wisky program that had just gone to the Big 10 Championship and was 10-3. Wisky was and continues to be the best program in the B1G West. To runaway from that should have raised red flags had we all had the trained eye we have now on QA. Then he walks away from $12M mid season here. It seems to conclude that QA has some stress or sanity issues in an HC role. Especially when expectations are high. Discovering that attribute about him came at the expense and complete demolition of the OSU program. The cost, the setbacks, the destroyed college player careers, the non-bowl game opportunities lost, lost fan support, etc....the damage from his headcase issues has ripple effects that go far beyond the VFC.
|
|