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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 16:42:15 GMT -8
Who cares? Do you want to win? Erickson wasn't considered a "high character" guy. I want a guy with an edge. OSU needs a guy with an edge So all you care about is winning? At any cost? Where do ya draw the line then? Everyone wants to win bud! But being clean and competitive is good to me. If you have to be a dirtbag to win, that doesn't workout to well. There's 2 types of class; First and None! I prefer to be First! *See college basketball's recent debacle Go Beavs! I couldn't care less if a guy is perceived as being low character. Perception is often wrong. Honestly had Kiffin not taken the USC job after 1 year at Tennessee the perception of him would probably be completely different. Did Erickson have no class? There is no evidence Kiffin has ever been dirty. He literally took a pay cut to be a HC again. If being competitive and driven to succeed equals no class than yeah, I will take no class all day.
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Post by obf on Nov 26, 2017 16:51:25 GMT -8
So all you care about is winning? At any cost? Where do ya draw the line then? Everyone wants to win bud! But being clean and competitive is good to me. If you have to be a dirtbag to win, that doesn't workout to well. There's 2 types of class; First and None! I prefer to be First! *See college basketball's recent debacle Go Beavs! I couldn't care less if a guy is perceived as being low character. Perception is often wrong. Honestly had Kiffin not taken the USC job after 1 year at Tennessee the perception of him would probably be completely different. Did Erickson have no class? There is no evidence Kiffin has ever been dirty. He literally took a pay cut to be a HC again. If being competitive and driven to succeed equals no class than yeah, I will take no class all day. What about Greg Schiano... genuinely curious what everyone thinks... Tennessee is rioting in the streets of the possibility of him becoming coach... However, the only thing he has done wrong is being accused of knowing about the Penn State awfulness, second hand. Clearly What happened at Penn State was terrible, but should one guy saying that another guy told him that a third guy (Schiano) also witnessed a locker room Sandusky Sickness be enough to doom that third guys career? Granted I don;t follow Penn State so maybe there is something else about Gregg I don't know.... Anyways back to the original question... would you support hiring Schiano?
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 26, 2017 16:56:33 GMT -8
Don't know the guy.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 26, 2017 16:57:51 GMT -8
I couldn't care less if a guy is perceived as being low character. Perception is often wrong. Honestly had Kiffin not taken the USC job after 1 year at Tennessee the perception of him would probably be completely different. Did Erickson have no class? There is no evidence Kiffin has ever been dirty. He literally took a pay cut to be a HC again. If being competitive and driven to succeed equals no class than yeah, I will take no class all day. What about Greg Schiano... genuinely curious what everyone thinks... Tennessee is rioting in the streets of the possibility of him becoming coach... However, the only thing he has done wrong is being accused of knowing about the Penn State awfulness, second hand. Clearly What happened at Penn State was terrible, but should one guy saying that another guy told him that a third guy (Schiano) also witnessed a locker room Sandusky Sickness be enough to doom that third guys career? Granted I don;t follow Penn State so maybe there is something else about Gregg I don't know.... Anyways back to the original question... would you support hiring Schiano? He's got a very bad rep with his former NFL players... but that's NFL egos. Not sure there is a bigger AH than Urban so he's prob a good cop at tOSU. But, pretty sure he's a pure east coast guy.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 26, 2017 17:03:36 GMT -8
Who cares? Do you want to win? Erickson wasn't considered a "high character" guy. I want a guy with an edge. OSU needs a guy with an edge So all you care about is winning? At any cost? Where do ya draw the line then? Everyone wants to win bud! But being clean and competitive is good to me. If you have to be a dirtbag to win, that doesn't workout to well. There's 2 types of class; First and None! I prefer to be First! *See college basketball's recent debacle Go Beavs! Has he commited any crimes? What has he done besides change jobs a lot? Who's a "high character" coach anymore? Jim Tressel? Winning the right way! Except he didn't? How about his replacement Urban(e) Meyer? Had to quit at Florida due to medical reasons. But amazingly, as soon as TOSU job opened up he was fine! And now he says he's going after "I'll find him" the cameraman that supposedly caused Barrett to get hurt? Never mind he probably had 100 alums, dignitaries, and recruits clogging up the sideline! It was the guy who was actually trying to do his job! Taggert? Nope. Chipper? Uh-uh. Shaw? Coaching dirty play and playing Owusu with multiple concussions? No. Leach? Please. Anyone coaching North Carolina in the past 20 years? Negative. McEncrier? Covering up rape? No chance. Petrino? With or without his mistress? Chris Petersen not available. I'm sick of losing. Give me a winner. Unless he breaks the law I don't care if he can win 8-10 games a year. I don't think Kiffin is that bad. He has a hell of an offensive mind. He can win, and win fast. I'm down with him as the Beavers coach.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 17:14:00 GMT -8
I couldn't care less if a guy is perceived as being low character. Perception is often wrong. Honestly had Kiffin not taken the USC job after 1 year at Tennessee the perception of him would probably be completely different. Did Erickson have no class? There is no evidence Kiffin has ever been dirty. He literally took a pay cut to be a HC again. If being competitive and driven to succeed equals no class than yeah, I will take no class all day. What about Greg Schiano... genuinely curious what everyone thinks... Tennessee is rioting in the streets of the possibility of him becoming coach... However, the only thing he has done wrong is being accused of knowing about the Penn State awfulness, second hand. Clearly What happened at Penn State was terrible, but should one guy saying that another guy told him that a third guy (Schiano) also witnessed a locker room Sandusky Sickness be enough to doom that third guys career? Granted I don;t follow Penn State so maybe there is something else about Gregg I don't know.... Anyways back to the original question... would you support hiring Schiano? Shiano doesn't have the temperament I really like in a coach but his results are good. I also prefer offensive backgrounds for head coaches and Shiano has a defensive background. That said...... If the story is true (that Shiano actually saw Sandusky in a shower with a boy and did nothing) than I wouldn't want him at OSU. The story of his knowledge seems dubious at best though so I personally give Shiano the benefit of the doubt that he didn't know. I'd prefer Kiffin.
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Post by beaver4life on Nov 26, 2017 17:28:50 GMT -8
Not a real high character guy. Who cares? Do you want to win? Erickson wasn't considered a "high character" guy. I want a guy with an edge. OSU needs a guy with an edge I want to win with a high character guy. No other way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 17:34:43 GMT -8
Who cares? Do you want to win? Erickson wasn't considered a "high character" guy. I want a guy with an edge. OSU needs a guy with an edge I want to win with a high character guy. No other way. While depending on your definition of high character; you are searching for a unicorn. Honestly, what has Kiffin done to demonstrate he is low character to you? Got any specifics?
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Post by EOBeav on Nov 26, 2017 18:17:37 GMT -8
We could do a lot worse than Kiffin. And likely not much better. Although I don't see any evidence that he's even a candidate, I wouldn't be disappointed over such a hire.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 26, 2017 18:37:28 GMT -8
I want to win with a high character guy. No other way. While depending on your definition of high character; you are searching for a unicorn. Honestly, what has Kiffin done to demonstrate he is low character to you? Got any specifics? He’s a divorcée... and she was gorgeous... he has to to have low character... that’s it. Frankly, I’ve heard nothing wrong about him other than leaving Tennessee after 1 year... but when one of the top football schools of all time calls it’s tough to turn it down.
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 26, 2017 18:58:00 GMT -8
Took me a while to come around to it, but I hope the deal makers can pull a rabbit out of their hat and he's the guy. If he stays 4 years and lands a bigger gig so what? All that will mean is that he turned the Beavers in to winners. WTF has he actually accomplished in his career to date?
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Post by jbjam on Nov 26, 2017 19:10:36 GMT -8
Kiffin would be amazing. Why all the hate? Can anyone name a specific action or a couple other than leaving Tennessee for his dream job?
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Post by jbjam on Nov 26, 2017 19:12:11 GMT -8
Took me a while to come around to it, but I hope the deal makers can pull a rabbit out of their hat and he's the guy. If he stays 4 years and lands a bigger gig so what? All that will mean is that he turned the Beavers in to winners. WTF has he actually accomplished in his career to date? Current team he has turned around and proven success as a highly coveted offensive mind. He also is a top notch recruiter
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Post by rollotomasi on Nov 26, 2017 19:19:54 GMT -8
Took me a while to come around to it, but I hope the deal makers can pull a rabbit out of their hat and he's the guy. If he stays 4 years and lands a bigger gig so what? All that will mean is that he turned the Beavers in to winners. Hands down. He's the best possible option. Hands down. It's not close.
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 26, 2017 19:24:21 GMT -8
Not a real high character guy. getting hired and fired has a way of making one grow up. Maybe he has matured as he travelled about Just listened to an interview he did this weekend, where he was asked specifically why he's blacklisted by so many ADs. He had a decent answer on the surface (doesn't work for them, works for the AD at the school he works for and doesn't worry about impressing anybody else), but underneath it seemed clearly same immaturity that got him in trouble everywhere he's been (I'll do whatever I want - HS kids love me and that's all that matters). I'm not buying that he would fit well at OSU whatsoever - it's just a bad cultural fit. And I'm sure Lane knows that - this all seems moot to me, I cannot imagine Lane seeing the OSU job as desirable for how he goes about his business.
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