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Post by bill82 on Oct 22, 2017 16:10:29 GMT -8
Egger's latest. And Tres Tinkle is a "franchise player." Ok. That was easy. March Madness is on! Or not. When you have to bench a player to make them play defense you are in trouble. And I give Tress 15 game before he is hurt again. Some athletes are just predisposed to injury. I'm afraid Tres is in that group. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 16:40:37 GMT -8
Egger's latest. And Tres Tinkle is a "franchise player." Ok. That was easy. March Madness is on! Or not. When you have to bench a player to make them play defense you are in trouble. And I give Tress 15 game before he is hurt again. Some athletes are just predisposed to injury. I'm afraid Tres is in that group. Hope I'm wrong. Tres plays hard. And he plays recklessly. Not sure how to alter that. Limit his minutes? Probably a good idea.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 22, 2017 20:53:49 GMT -8
This will be the first year Tres has actually been healthy and running in the five-six months leading into the season. I expect to see an even better Tres this year. He may not average what he averaged his short season last year because we have other offensive weapons this year, but he'll be extremely solid.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Oct 24, 2017 7:29:45 GMT -8
Tres will be all PAC-12 this season.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 24, 2017 9:23:17 GMT -8
Tres will be all PAC-12 this season. Highly doubt it... but, numbers wise there is LOTS of room! Only (1) 1st team and (2) 2nd team selections remain in the league! Kinda weird. If you take a look around the conference and all the studs, Tres can average a double double and make it... maybe. There is lots of returning studs and talented Frosh/one and done types. Tres would not only have to have a career year, the Beavs would have to be in the top 4 of the Pac12. Hard/impossible to project what Tres would have done the remainder of the season, but looking at the list I'm sure he gets votes HM, but prob not replacing anyone on 2nd team last year. So with the talent level in the league, coming off an injury, team level being in the lower 6... not sure Tres can achieve that individual accolade. But, I'd rather see 17+ wins and postseason play... I'm sure he would too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 10:02:39 GMT -8
I don't understand why people on this board are so pessimistic, by which I mean expecting a meager 17 or so wins. I've mentioned before that last year we had no depth, just 5 healthy players who MAYBE were qualified to play in this league: Drew, Gligorije, Steven, Jaquori, and Manuel. Yet by the end of the year we were competitive in some games: We were ahead of AZ by 2 at the half. We beat Utah. We lost to Cal by just 5 in the tournament. Versus Colorado we were tied with 2 minutes to go. That's with NO quality depth. I attribute that to Tinkle's coaching: Maybe he IS a great coach, and that is the critical fact that all naysayers here are forgetting. This year we have 5 players new or returning (leaving out N'diaye and Kone for now) who, with a little practice and a few non-conference games, could form a team that would be competitive with last years squad, a team of: Tres, Seth, Alfred, Ethan, and Zach. It's like we've doubled our squad. No longer will we have to play the starters for 35 minutes per game, no more tired legs at the end of the game. Of course we still don't have the quality players that many teams in the league have, but after last year they are seriously motivated with last year's starters having been through the grinder. And we have a really good coach to make up the difference. I still see 20+ wins even without Kone an N'diaye. Don't discount the coaching difference. He's a proven winner.
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Post by ag87 on Oct 24, 2017 10:27:33 GMT -8
I don't understand why people on this board are so pessimistic, by which I mean expecting a meager 17 or so wins. I've mentioned before that last year we had no depth, just 5 healthy players who MAYBE were qualified to play in this league: Drew, Gligorije, Steven, Jaquori, and Manuel. Yet by the end of the year we were competitive in some games: We were ahead of AZ by 2 at the half. We beat Utah. We lost to Cal by just 5 in the tournament. Versus Colorado we were tied with 2 minutes to go. That's with NO quality depth. I attribute that to Tinkle's coaching: Maybe he IS a great coach, and that is the critical fact that all naysayers here are forgetting. This year we have 5 players new or returning (leaving out N'diaye and Kone for now) who, with a little practice and a few non-conference games, could form a team that would be competitive with last years squad, a team of: Tres, Seth, Alfred, Ethan, and Zach. It's like we've doubled our squad. No longer will we have to play the starters for 35 minutes per game, no more tired legs at the end of the game. Of course we still don't have the quality players that many teams in the league have, but after last year they are seriously motivated with last year's starters having been through the grinder. And we have a really good coach to make up the difference. I still see 20+ wins even without Kone an N'diaye. Don't discount the coaching difference. He's a proven winner. I'm hopeful for a season like you are talking about, but it is very important to moderate expectations. For instance if I'm hoping for 16 wins (generally what I am thinking) and we get 20, I'll be very happy. If I was thinking 20+, what do we have to do to exceed expectations? Do they need a sweet 16? That would be wonderful but I believe that is more than threading the needle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 10:45:58 GMT -8
I don't understand why people on this board are so pessimistic, by which I mean expecting a meager 17 or so wins. I've mentioned before that last year we had no depth, just 5 healthy players who MAYBE were qualified to play in this league: Drew, Gligorije, Steven, Jaquori, and Manuel. Yet by the end of the year we were competitive in some games: We were ahead of AZ by 2 at the half. We beat Utah. We lost to Cal by just 5 in the tournament. Versus Colorado we were tied with 2 minutes to go. That's with NO quality depth. I attribute that to Tinkle's coaching: Maybe he IS a great coach, and that is the critical fact that all naysayers here are forgetting. This year we have 5 players new or returning (leaving out N'diaye and Kone for now) who, with a little practice and a few non-conference games, could form a team that would be competitive with last years squad, a team of: Tres, Seth, Alfred, Ethan, and Zach. It's like we've doubled our squad. No longer will we have to play the starters for 35 minutes per game, no more tired legs at the end of the game. Of course we still don't have the quality players that many teams in the league have, but after last year they are seriously motivated with last year's starters having been through the grinder. And we have a really good coach to make up the difference. I still see 20+ wins even without Kone an N'diaye. Don't discount the coaching difference. He's a proven winner. I'm hopeful for a season like you are talking about, but it is very important to moderate expectations. For instance if I'm hoping for 16 wins (generally what I am thinking) and we get 20, I'll be very happy. If I was thinking 20+, what do we have to do to exceed expectations? Do they need a sweet 16? That would be wonderful but I believe that is more than threading the needle. And remember how Steven Thompson took control of the Utah game? 33 points? Ethan has more innate talent than his brother, so let's assume we now have TWO players of ST's last-year caliber on the team. On a given day, each of these guys has the ability to change a game, which means on a given day we could upset most teams in the league. And having them on the court will open up the inside for Drew, Tres, and Seth. I predict there WILL be some major upsets by OSU this year when these guys are "on". I'm thinking we're underestimating Reichle's impact this year, too. He was the standout, I think I heard, in the scrimmage.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 24, 2017 12:10:19 GMT -8
I'm hopeful for a season like you are talking about, but it is very important to moderate expectations. For instance if I'm hoping for 16 wins (generally what I am thinking) and we get 20, I'll be very happy. If I was thinking 20+, what do we have to do to exceed expectations? Do they need a sweet 16? That would be wonderful but I believe that is more than threading the needle. And remember how Steven Thompson took control of the Utah game? 33 points? Ethan has more innate talent than his brother, so let's assume we now have TWO players of ST's last-year caliber on the team. On a given day, each of these guys has the ability to change a game, which means on a given day we could upset most teams in the league. And having them on the court will open up the inside for Drew, Tres, and Seth. I predict there WILL be some major upsets by OSU this year when these guys are "on". I'm thinking we're underestimating Reichle's impact this year, too. He was the standout, I think I heard, in the scrimmage. You realize that we lost to Grand Canyon in last years "secret" scrimmage... with Tres... and were 5-27. When we scrimmage ourselves we are playing against the lower end of the spectrum in the Pac12 talent wise. We had the 9th or 10th rated recruiting class WITH Ethan. 17 wins or more is a HIGH expectation considering lack of defense and leadership that has to be actually shown, not optimistically expected to just happen. The top 5-6 teams in the Pac12 are talented, the top 3-4 are VERY talented 6-8 deep. To be in the top 6 is again, a HIGH expectation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 12:48:14 GMT -8
And remember how Steven Thompson took control of the Utah game? 33 points? Ethan has more innate talent than his brother, so let's assume we now have TWO players of ST's last-year caliber on the team. On a given day, each of these guys has the ability to change a game, which means on a given day we could upset most teams in the league. And having them on the court will open up the inside for Drew, Tres, and Seth. I predict there WILL be some major upsets by OSU this year when these guys are "on". I'm thinking we're underestimating Reichle's impact this year, too. He was the standout, I think I heard, in the scrimmage. You realize that we lost to Grand Canyon in last years "secret" scrimmage... with Tres... and were 5-27. When we scrimmage ourselves we are playing against the lower end of the spectrum in the Pac12 talent wise. We had the 9th or 10th rated recruiting class WITH Ethan. 17 wins or more is a HIGH expectation considering lack of defense and leadership that has to be actually shown, not optimistically expected to just happen. The top 5-6 teams in the Pac12 are talented, the top 3-4 are VERY talented 6-8 deep. To be in the top 6 is again, a HIGH expectation. I don't see the loss to Grand Canyon as meaningful. It obviously does not reflect the improvement over the course of the year: We would have slaughtered GC later in the year, and after all it was meaningless because it was just a scrimmage, not a serious game where you would do careful game prep and put your top players out there 100% of the time. And it's not talent alone that wins games. Coaching makes a difference. And a lot of the talent on other teams is younger than our 3rd year guys ST, DE, and TT. We'll have to wait and see, but I still say there is reason to be optimistic. Would be really helpful if Kone could be 100%.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 24, 2017 13:36:26 GMT -8
Last year we had 3 players that had played over 7 minutes a game at this level for a season. Then we lost Tres for the season, and there were 2. Every other player on the roster was injured, had played minimally, was new, or a walkon
This year we have 9, 6 of which averaged over 18 minutes a game.
The difference this year, even though most of the roster names are the same, is night and day when it comes to experience.
Add in the new scholarship class, which has pretty much displaced almost all of the walkons, and the team is much more talented.
I do take issue with the title of this thread "finally going to play defense". Considering the lack of experience this team had last year it makes sense that the team was the worst scoring team in the league, by far. What some weren't paying attention to is that the team finished in the middle of the league for scoring defense.
Last year we had several young and relatively inexperienced players averaging 32 minutes plus a game. This year we'll have the depth, experience AND more talented backups to where our team can keep their legs fresh. If they can improve defensively to keep an extra 5-7 points off the board, and improve their scoring by the same amount all of the sudden this team is a solid middle of the league team. If they do just a little better in both areas they are top 4-5 in the league.
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Post by obf on Oct 24, 2017 13:37:08 GMT -8
You realize that we lost to Grand Canyon in last years "secret" scrimmage... with Tres... and were 5-27. When we scrimmage ourselves we are playing against the lower end of the spectrum in the Pac12 talent wise. We had the 9th or 10th rated recruiting class WITH Ethan. 17 wins or more is a HIGH expectation considering lack of defense and leadership that has to be actually shown, not optimistically expected to just happen. The top 5-6 teams in the Pac12 are talented, the top 3-4 are VERY talented 6-8 deep. To be in the top 6 is again, a HIGH expectation. I don't see the loss to Grand Canyon as meaningful. It obviously does not reflect the improvement over the course of the year: We would have slaughtered GC later in the year, and after all it was meaningless because it was just a scrimmage, not a serious game where you would do careful game prep and put your top players out there 100% of the time. And it's not talent alone that wins games. Coaching makes a difference. And a lot of the talent on other teams is younger than our 3rd year guys ST, DE, and TT. We'll have to wait and see, but I still say there is reason to be optimistic. Would be really helpful if Kone could be 100%.FWIW, I had a chance encounter with Ben the other night, and he was very excited for this season, said the team is going to be WAY better. Didn't seem down about his knee at all and brushed it off as a minor setback and fully expected to be back shortly (well before Pac-12???) Said that the team is really tight and good friends and things are coming together really well.
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Post by beaverinohio on Oct 25, 2017 6:57:22 GMT -8
I really think 16-18 wins is possible. I have trouble finding more than 18 wins though. We would likely have to win all our conference home games plus steal one or two on the road. Not out of the question if we get some nice contributions from the newcomers, but I'm not ready to bet the house on it. I think Reichle and Hollins will have their moments and Berger will provide some "glue," but overall I think they'll have modest impacts. Now if some of their "moments" can help us win a game or two we might not have otherwise then that's a big plus. I think the wildcards are Ethan and Jaquori (as well as overall health of team, of course). If Jaquori can take a step forward and Ethan can provide another dependable scoring option, the season should be very interesting and fun.
As to the discussion of secret scrimmages. First off Grand Canyon was a pretty good team last year. Second, these scrimmages are just that -- scrimmages. They're not games. Coaches are not game-planning for the opponent and they're trying various things and combinations that we might never see in an actual game. They are just another teaching tool. I wouldn't read too much into results for those things.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 7:31:40 GMT -8
I really think 16-18 wins is possible. I have trouble finding more than 18 wins though. We would likely have to win all our conference home games plus steal one or two on the road. Not out of the question if we get some nice contributions from the newcomers, but I'm not ready to bet the house on it. I think Reichle and Hollins will have their moments and Berger will provide some "glue," but overall I think they'll have modest impacts. Now if some of their "moments" can help us win a game or two we might not have otherwise then that's a big plus. I think the wildcards are Ethan and Jaquori (as well as overall health of team, of course). If Jaquori can take a step forward and Ethan can provide another dependable scoring option, the season should be very interesting and fun. As to the discussion of secret scrimmages. First off Grand Canyon was a pretty good team last year. Second, these scrimmages are just that -- scrimmages. They're not games. Coaches are not game-planning for the opponent and they're trying various things and combinations that we might never see in an actual game. They are just another teaching tool. I wouldn't read too much into results for those things. Speaking of Grand Canyon, GCU has already played their exhibition game this year. And they're pretty good this year, too! RENO, Nev. – The Grand Canyon men's basketball team was on the road Sunday. The Lopes were playing a team that is picked to repeat as a conference champion. The Lopes were missing their preseason conference player of the year pick and nearly every 3-point shot that they took. Despite all of the undesireables, GCU led Nevada entering the last minute of the exhibition game's first half. But icy 3-point shooting and a dicey 3-minute stretch did in the Lopes. They lost, 81-72, to Nevada at Lawlor Events Center, where all proceeds from 3,072 tickets sold went to the North Bay Fire Relief fund.
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Post by easyheat on Nov 6, 2017 20:36:11 GMT -8
Has WT clarified the statement about playing better defense this year?
1. He will demand better individual defense and effort or you won't play? 2. He will coach up fundamental defensive skills and hope for improvement? 3. He will talk to the team and emphasize playing better defense in practice? 4. He hopes we can play better defensively this year?
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