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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 6:58:07 GMT -8
Tres will be all PAC-12 this season. If he stays on his feet for 90% of the schedule, easily. He's a 20 10 guy. How many of those in the conference? only a handful.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 8, 2017 9:20:48 GMT -8
Tres will be all PAC-12 this season. If he stays on his feet for 90% of the schedule, easily. He's a 20 10 guy. How many of those in the conference? only a handful. Not even close to a 20/10 guy. Without looking it up in betting the Pac12 hasn't had a 20/10 guy the last 7 or 8 years or more! In fact the guys who average 20 pts over a season are prob fewer than the double digit rebounders. I can remember Vucevic of SC going 17/11 and Hawkinson of WSU having two or three years of 15/11 as the bigger of the doubles. Rabb was 14/10, Oleka(?) 12/9, Reid 17/9, Kuzma 16/9 last year, and only Fultz had 20+ points/ game. All-Pac 12... if he had a double double more probable as long as the team is in top half. And, 9 of the 10 1st and 3 of the 5 2nd teamers are no longer in the league.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 8, 2017 9:55:16 GMT -8
If he stays on his feet for 90% of the schedule, easily. He's a 20 10 guy. How many of those in the conference? only a handful. Not even close to a 20/10 guy. Without looking it up in betting the Pac12 hasn't had a 20/10 guy the last 7 or 8 years or more! In fact the guys who average 20 pts over a season are prob fewer than the double digit rebounders. I can remember Vucevic of SC going 17/11 and Hawkinson of WSU having two or three years of 15/11 as the bigger of the doubles. Rabb was 14/10, Oleka(?) 12/9, Reid 17/9, Kuzma 16/9 last year, and only Fultz had 20+ points/ game. All-Pac 12... if he had a double double more probable as long as the team is in top half. And, 9 of the 10 1st and 3 of the 5 2nd teamers are no longer in the league. Ha, yeah. Tres is a double-double guy... He is a fringe AVERAGE double double player if he stays healthy... just not a 20 point, 10 rebound average. last season in the NCAA there were about (rough counting) 20 players that averaged a double double. Nobody that I could find was up at 20 on the point side. Josh Hawkinson from WSU was 15.5/10.2 last year Caleb Swanigan, Big-12 player of the year lead all NCAA players with 28 double double games out of 35 games played. He averaged 14.4/10.4 Blazers made him their first round pick. Ivan Rabb from Cal had the most double-doubles in the Pac-12 last year at 17. He didn't average a double-double though, coming up just short at 13.2/9.4
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 8, 2017 11:44:16 GMT -8
20/10 guys means they're going off for 30+ periodically to get there - I hope we have more balance this year that we don't need Tres to do that, even if he could. I just don't see him getting enough shots to make that happen, even if he was capable.
Josh was basically WSU's only good option and they fed him the rock often. Philip Ricci and David Lucas were around 17/7 guys, and we really needed those guys to score to compete as well. Bottom line, if Tres is a 20/10 guy this year, I believe it will mean we're not very good because we have to over-leverage him. And we need folks like Eubanks/Kone to be the 10+ rebound guys, so I hope he's not needed heavily in that category either.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 8, 2017 12:28:55 GMT -8
20/10 guys means they're going off for 30+ periodically to get there - I hope we have more balance this year that we don't need Tres to do that, even if he could. I just don't see him getting enough shots to make that happen, even if he was capable. Josh was basically WSU's only good option and they fed him the rock often. Philip Ricci and David Lucas were around 17/7 guys, and we really needed those guys to score to compete as well. Bottom line, if Tres is a 20/10 guy this year, I believe it will mean we're not very good because we have to over-leverage him. And we need folks like Eubanks/Kone to be the 10+ rebound guys, so I hope he's not needed heavily in that category either. I think Tres will probably average between 18 and 20 ppg. He averaged 20.2 last year in his limited games. Granted those were against lesser competition than conference opponents, but his freshman year he averaged 18.6 his last 5 games before getting hurt. I would say we'd want him to average between 8 and 13 shots a game. He gets to the line so well that averaging 20 points on the year isn't that far fetched. The rebounds are where I think he'd come up short and I'd hope he would. If he's averaging 10 ppg then we're likely having rebounding problems.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 8, 2017 17:04:06 GMT -8
Tres might be able to get to 20 based on his ability to draw fouls. I'm expecting more like averaging 17points /8.5rebounds /3assists /2+ steals and 1block a game simply because the surrounding help is better this year and will take up some of the slack. Still, those are fairly lofty numbers when you start comparing them with other forwards out there.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 9, 2017 9:16:55 GMT -8
Tres might be able to get to 20 based on his ability to draw fouls. I'm expecting more like averaging 17points /8.5rebounds /3assists /2+ steals and 1block a game simply because the surrounding help is better this year and will take up some of the slack. Still, those are fairly lofty numbers when you start comparing them with other forwards out there. If Tres is a 17/8 guy all season we are winning a lot of games.
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 9, 2017 9:37:32 GMT -8
If he stays on his feet for 90% of the schedule, easily. He's a 20 10 guy. How many of those in the conference? only a handful. Not even close to a 20/10 guy. Without looking it up in betting the Pac12 hasn't had a 20/10 guy the last 7 or 8 years or more! In fact the guys who average 20 pts over a season are prob fewer than the double digit rebounders. I can remember Vucevic of SC going 17/11 and Hawkinson of WSU having two or three years of 15/11 as the bigger of the doubles. Rabb was 14/10, Oleka(?) 12/9, Reid 17/9, Kuzma 16/9 last year, and only Fultz had 20+ points/ game. All-Pac 12... if he had a double double more probable as long as the team is in top half. And, 9 of the 10 1st and 3 of the 5 2nd teamers are no longer in the league. To be fair, he didn't say which categories he'd be 20-10 in. >20 minutes? >10 FG attempts? That's a stone cold lock*. Gonna go give my bookie at Squirrels a couple bucks and get in on that action. * If nothing breaks
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 9, 2017 13:12:01 GMT -8
Tres might be able to get to 20 based on his ability to draw fouls. I'm expecting more like averaging 17points /8.5rebounds /3assists /2+ steals and 1block a game simply because the surrounding help is better this year and will take up some of the slack. Still, those are fairly lofty numbers when you start comparing them with other forwards out there. If Tres is a 17/8 guy all season we are winning a lot of games. Well... we need much more than Tres. We were 2-4 vs a weak schedule with him at 20/8. Depth to rest legs to play stifling defense is the key. We need to get back to winning games in the 60's on top of having offensive out put. Despite 12/13 or so of the top 15 by all-league measure not in the Pac12 it's still a very talented league. We'll see in nonleague if this team had developed a defensive mindset. If this team can't win 8/9+ preseason games with this schedule, Pac12 play will not be pretty. As I mentioned before 9-3/8-10/17-13 would be a fantastic jump for this group as a lot of youngsters are going to have to contribute.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 17:41:48 GMT -8
Egger's latest. And Tres Tinkle is a "franchise player." Ok. That was easy. March Madness is on! Or not. When you have to bench a player to make them play defense you are in trouble. And I give Tress 15 game before he is hurt again. Some athletes are just predisposed to injury. I'm afraid Tres is in that group. Hope I'm wrong. update: Beavs did play decent defense for the first 10 minutes last night but then over the next 30 minutes slowly regressed back into their bad habits.
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