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Post by beaverstever on Jan 18, 2016 8:34:13 GMT -8
I really don't get the 'shorten the game' strategy WT often employs in close games or leads. It seems like a Riley-esque shorten-the-game strategy, but I'm at a loss to understand how it's beneficial for this team. If that was the case, If it was such a good idea, seems like you'd employ it the whole game.
Sending GP to the basket against a 7 footer as the shot clock expires isn't going to work. Get some flow going and stay aggressive! Also, way too often we basically had 2 guys on the floor with any prayer of scoring - Tinkle and GP. Thompson simply has to be in the game more, IMO.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Jan 18, 2016 8:41:16 GMT -8
Blaming the refs seems a convenient excuse, but the last five minutes, these were OSU's possessions: Shot clock violation Turnover Miss Missed layup Missed layup Miss one of two free throws OSU made two shots in the last 10 minutes (both layups). Bottom line, Beavs don't close games out well....the Oregon game being the exception. Even the win against Cal wasn't pretty. Cal was charging pretty hard as OSU seemed content to dribble out the shot clock and throw something up late every time down the floor. If Tinkle misses that turnaround fadeaway from the corner, I don't think OSU wins. This is why OSU lost...really the Reid situation didn't cause the loss (it didn't help) but OSU had plenty of opportunities to win the game and failed miserably. That said, a few of those missed layups were fouls that weren't called. Beat FUCLA. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Jan 18, 2016 9:21:21 GMT -8
Exactly, up until the Reid situation OSU was 4/8 at the foul line..they only trailed by 1 point after all that..if they go 6/8 at foul line they still lead the game and who knows after that
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Post by jdogge on Jan 18, 2016 9:58:18 GMT -8
And what's also maddening is he shouldn't have been in the game (especially playing center) in the first place Because you're the Coach and never sent him in, right? Yeah, right. |
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Post by jdogge on Jan 18, 2016 10:01:55 GMT -8
Well, Jarmal did just get blocked below the knees with no call, so I'm guessing his blood pressure was spiking at that moment - I'm going with intentional. He also had shortly before been called for a blocking foul when he was standing straight up and probably flopped after a push-off by Utah's center. Was an absurd call, was either a charge or a no-call. THere's no excuse for it, but the league needs to also review and discipline that crew for allowing a situation where the team sees the game blatantly as as 5 on 8, and minds start being lost. Replay here: espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14593005"THere's no excuse for it, but the league needs to also review and discipline that crew for allowing a situation where the team sees the game blatantly as as 5 on 8, and minds start being lost." There is no "but" here. It was inexcusable. The bad calls did not cause Reid to do what he did and do not excuse that behavior. Period. |
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Post by jdogge on Jan 18, 2016 10:05:36 GMT -8
I hope Jarmel does not miss more than one game. Clearly he should not have tripped the ref. But arguing in his defense it was in the heat of the moment and he was getting mugged while the refs pretended not to notice. OSU wins this game in a fairly officiated game and it is not close. Before the two delay fouls on Utah in the last seconds, the foul count was OSU 24 and Utah 8. This is a jump shooting Utah team that was settling for outside looks. OSU players were driving, getting body-checked, and not going to the foul line. The three officials were Tommy Nunez, John Higgins and Deron White. I'm guessing they were not covering wagers but just thought Utah was better and didnt know how to react when the reality didn't match their preconceived thoughts. I know it's unlikely but I hope this is the last time we see them in a Pac-12 game. "But arguing in his defense it was in the heat of the moment ..." Give me a break! There is NO defense for that type of behavior. "Heat of the moment?" So, when he has teenage kids and one mouths off, he knocks the crap out of him/her. Since it was in the "heat of the moment" it's ok? |
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 18, 2016 10:28:28 GMT -8
Well, Jarmal did just get blocked below the knees with no call, so I'm guessing his blood pressure was spiking at that moment - I'm going with intentional. He also had shortly before been called for a blocking foul when he was standing straight up and probably flopped after a push-off by Utah's center. Was an absurd call, was either a charge or a no-call. THere's no excuse for it, but the league needs to also review and discipline that crew for allowing a situation where the team sees the game blatantly as as 5 on 8, and minds start being lost. Replay here: espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14593005"THere's no excuse for it, but the league needs to also review and discipline that crew for allowing a situation where the team sees the game blatantly as as 5 on 8, and minds start being lost." There is no "but" here. It was inexcusable. The bad calls did not cause Reid to do what he did and do not excuse that behavior. Period. I did not excuse his behavior. I do however want additional discipline carried out for either incompetent (or worse) officiating. And cause and effect are certainly in play here. Our legal system recognizes temporary insanity as a valid defense due to the cause/effect relationship of actions. |
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Post by beaverintheberg on Jan 18, 2016 10:33:50 GMT -8
My guess is a two game suspension (1 week). Really bad judgement.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Jan 18, 2016 11:55:03 GMT -8
And what's also maddening is he shouldn't have been in the game (especially playing center) in the first place Because you're the Coach and never sent him in, right? Yeah, right. No lol....because if you want to win on the road in this conference you don't play Reid at crunch time and you NEVER play him at center. When he's paired w/ Olaf, its the worst defensive and rebounding tandem we have. You did see the game in Boulder too right? Did you see ANYTHING in either game to indicate otherwise? Love to hear your argument to why this was a good idea in those games. Please share |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 12:47:12 GMT -8
Jarmal made a big mistake and should be suspended for 1 or 2 games. There is no excuse for tripping the ref, now here comes my but, but if you suspend Reid the Pac 12 also should suspend the entire officiating crew. The calls were horrribly biased against the Beavs to a point it was very obvious that they were going to make sure Utah won the game. If you watch a replay of the second half carefully you'll see the worst officiated game ever. With fair non biased refs OSU still wins by ten despite the Reid incident. These 3 refs stunk it up! Period!
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jan 18, 2016 13:52:21 GMT -8
People can make all the excuses about bad officiating they want. But lets be honest if it was a Utah or an Oregon player who had acted this way people on this board would be crucifying them.
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Post by jdogge on Jan 18, 2016 14:38:51 GMT -8
My guess is a two game suspension (1 week). Really bad judgement. "Temporary insanity?" Oh, please! |
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Post by bennyorange on Jan 18, 2016 14:41:11 GMT -8
The officiating was awful but what's new there - PAC12 refs stink generally.
I certainly don't condone what he did but I understand it. I was primed to take out the refs after we played UCLA and got hosed in the late 70's and the only thing that saved me was the exited the opposite corner of the court. Had I pulled it off I'm sure my life would have turned out different as perhaps will Jarmal's.
On a positive note that's the first time I've seen either of his feet more then 3 inches off the ground. I think Reid plays hard and CAN be effective in the right role but the guy has NO leaping ability whatsoever. I can leap higher off the ground than he can and I haven't leapt in nearly five years !!
It sounds like he's saying all the right things at the moment. Let him serve his punishment and see what kind of a kid he is on the back end before put him in permanent purgatory.
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Post by jdogge on Jan 18, 2016 14:45:54 GMT -8
Because you're the Coach and never sent him in, right? Yeah, right. No lol....because if you want to win on the road in this conference you don't play Reid at crunch time and you NEVER play him at center. When he's paired w/ Olaf, its the worst defensive and rebounding tandem we have. You did see the game in Boulder too right? Did you see ANYTHING in either game to indicate otherwise? Love to hear your argument to why this was a good idea in those games. Please share You don't know what the coaches saw that we fans didn't -- both on and off the court. With hindsight, it's easy to criticize. Payton was having an off night and in foul trouble. Eubanks has been struggling in Pac-12 play. Gomis was in foul trouble -- three fouls in six minutes. As far as it being a good idea? Well, when I am qualified to coach at this level, I'll criticize. But I believe in Wayne Tinkle, so I'll let him do his job. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Jan 18, 2016 15:08:29 GMT -8
I see what you're saying and I too believe Tinkle is a really good coach. But we've seen Reid and Olaf for years now and neither has ever shown they can play center on D and Olaf especially has always been a defensive liability wherever he plays. Reid, despite a lot of hustle, has always had foul issues w/ bigger guys. Granted, he was screwed over on a few calls last night for sure.
Its just that these aren't new issues w/ these two, are they? I guess I'm just surprised we keep forcing the issue down low w/ those two, when we don't seem to have to. (For example, I thought Cheikh N'Diaye played outstanding D in the 2nd half and Eubanks seemed pretty effective in the first half). Am I wrong?
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