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Post by orangethunder on Sept 11, 2017 22:01:53 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 11, 2017 22:13:06 GMT -8
When asked about receiver Jordan Villamin's postgame comments that he doesn't "think people are ready to play" after halftime, Andersen said players have not expressed that concern to him.
"If there are real problems," Andersen said, "and they're not emotionally talking after a football game and they felt they were out of shape, they felt that there was an issue, they would walk in and communicate with me about that."
Really? Would they?
Posted at beaverblitz by the head writer...
"I posted this in a different thread, but think it needs it's own. On Sunday morning I went downstairs at the hotel we stayed at to grab a cup of coffee. There were tons of Nebraska fans there who I spoke a little, but said I follow the Beavs. A lady was also getting her coffee and said her son played on defense for the Beavs. We of course struck up a conversation when I realized who it was and we were talking about the team. After the game she said they had spent time at her son's apt. with several of his teammates. She said they were down, broken and questioning everything they did. One player said that it really didn't matter what he did, it wouldn't be right and he'd hear about it so why even try. Scout team members who are told to work hard and they'll get their opportunity, don't, even when they see their teammates making mistake after mistake. Again, why try, when you know you aren't going to get a chance no matter what happens on the field. There is so much going on, but the why try seems to resonate on several levels. Tough love can take you only so far, but if these young men feel that they will never please the coaches no matter what they do, there comes a point where they shut down. Just like those of you who are parents know...sometimes you can get more with praise then you can with yelling and anger. From my view, we are seeing a bunch of players who are simply not trying. Not because they don't want to be great, but because they feel like no matter what they do, it will be wrong or they simply won't get a chance."
Does Angie have an axe to grind? Is it a BS site that general posts BS?
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Post by alwaysorange on Sept 12, 2017 6:27:16 GMT -8
If true not good. But on the other hand many if not all the scout team are true freshmen that are redshirting. I wouldn't expect their redshirt year to be blown.
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Post by beaverstever on Sept 12, 2017 6:57:13 GMT -8
I don't buy that kids able to compete at a D1 level can't take a lot of criticism, at least to the point where they no longer believe in their abilities. I can buy that kids will get confused by coaching to the point where they feel helpless to do what's expected/correct, because the direction is contradictory/erratic/unpredictable. If the kids are trying very hard, doing what they understood they were told to do and the results are bad, that's a really bad mixture (but pretty common in sports).
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 12, 2017 7:02:26 GMT -8
I don't buy that kids able to compete at a D1 level can't take a lot of criticism, at least to the point where they no longer believe in their abilities. I can buy that kids will get confused by coaching to the point where they feel helpless to do what's expected/correct, because the direction is contradictory/erratic/unpredictable. If the kids are trying very hard, doing what they understood they were told to do and the results are bad, that's a really bad mixture (but pretty common in sports). I agree. It isn't that kids can't take criticism, it is that if there is not consistency to the criticism. if there is no common direction and no light at the end of the tunnel, then you feel helpless.
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Post by zebraworks on Sept 12, 2017 7:27:45 GMT -8
I remember feeling in the past that what the coach wanted to do was idiotic
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 12, 2017 12:04:01 GMT -8
I don't buy that kids able to compete at a D1 level can't take a lot of criticism, at least to the point where they no longer believe in their abilities. I can buy that kids will get confused by coaching to the point where they feel helpless to do what's expected/correct, because the direction is contradictory/erratic/unpredictable. If the kids are trying very hard, doing what they understood they were told to do and the results are bad, that's a really bad mixture (but pretty common in sports). I agree. It isn't that kids can't take criticism, it is that if there is not consistency to the criticism. if there is no common direction and no light at the end of the tunnel, then you feel helpless. Learned helplessness. It is one of the theories behind what causes depression. What is also problematic is that learned helplessness causes individuals to be unable to identify opportunities to improve upon your situation and just learn to live in the new reality. If you are too scared to do what you know is best, you miss out on opportunities to break a three-yard-gain on offense or get to the quarterback on defense. Players make plays, but the coaches must give them the confidence to make those plays.
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Post by nabeav on Sept 12, 2017 12:15:07 GMT -8
Not part of the press conference, but Warren and Parker on the radio show spent the half hour leading up to the press conference continuing to dog Bob Diaco for not talking to the media after Nebraska lost to Arkansas State....and then taking jabs at Mike Riley for poor clock management.
I don't get the Diaco thing AT ALL. They basically said that, unlike Diaco, Gary Andersen was accountable after tough losses (or in Diaco's case, a tough win.) What they didn't mention is that I have NEVER heard a quote from a coordinator after a game here either. From Gina Mizell's "Morning After" column on Sunday:
We won’t be able to get more details about that game plan until Tuesday from Nall, offensive coordinator Kevin McGiven and/or running backs coach Telly Lockette, who were not available after the game.
Stop trying to divert us from looking at the fire in our own house by point out that there's a little bit of smoke coming from the chimney next door.
I understand that they're paid by the university and whatever, but taking shots at Riley/The School Down the Road/etc just make us look petty.
Also, all the snarky PJ Fleck comments they threw out last week really look bad now.
It's a shame that we don't have anyone better in mid-valley to go to for sports talk.
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 12, 2017 12:21:19 GMT -8
Not part of the press conference, but Warren and Parker on the radio show spent the half hour leading up to the press conference continuing to dog Bob Diaco for not talking to the media after Nebraska lost to Arkansas State....and then taking jabs at Mike Riley for poor clock management. I don't get the Diaco thing AT ALL. They basically said that, unlike Diaco, Gary Andersen was accountable after tough losses (or in Diaco's case, a tough win.) What they didn't mention is that I have NEVER heard a quote from a coordinator after a game here either. From Gina Mizell's "Morning After" column on Sunday: We won’t be able to get more details about that game plan until Tuesday from Nall, offensive coordinator Kevin McGiven and/or running backs coach Telly Lockette, who were not available after the game.Stop trying to divert us from looking at the fire in our own house by point out that there's a little bit of smoke coming from the chimney next door. I understand that they're paid by the university and whatever, but taking shots at Riley/The School Down the Road/etc just make us look petty. Also, all the snarky PJ Fleck comments they threw out last week really look bad now. It's a shame that we don't have anyone better in mid-valley to go to for sports talk. Spot on. A couple weeks ago I was in the car and one of them said something ridiculous. I made a smart ass comment. My son turns to me and says "You always seem to hate this show. Why do you listen?" Exactly son... exactly.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Sept 12, 2017 12:40:21 GMT -8
At $825,000, Diaco not talking to the media (particularly at Nebraska) is not going over well.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 12, 2017 12:48:08 GMT -8
Not part of the press conference, but Warren and Parker on the radio show spent the half hour leading up to the press conference continuing to dog Bob Diaco for not talking to the media after Nebraska lost to Arkansas State....and then taking jabs at Mike Riley for poor clock management. I don't get the Diaco thing AT ALL. They basically said that, unlike Diaco, Gary Andersen was accountable after tough losses (or in Diaco's case, a tough win.) What they didn't mention is that I have NEVER heard a quote from a coordinator after a game here either. From Gina Mizell's "Morning After" column on Sunday: We won’t be able to get more details about that game plan until Tuesday from Nall, offensive coordinator Kevin McGiven and/or running backs coach Telly Lockette, who were not available after the game.Stop trying to divert us from looking at the fire in our own house by point out that there's a little bit of smoke coming from the chimney next door. I understand that they're paid by the university and whatever, but taking shots at Riley/The School Down the Road/etc just make us look petty. Also, all the snarky PJ Fleck comments they threw out last week really look bad now. It's a shame that we don't have anyone better in mid-valley to go to for sports talk. Comically, after looking miserable in the first half and not being able to stop a toddler from scoring, they effectively completely neutralized Oregon in the second half. Everybody says this was Oregon "going conservative" or "taking their foot off the gas". zero credit given to making adjustments to Oregon. For sure it helped that Oregon wanted to come out and kill the clock but nobody seems to give credit for Nebraska sudden ability to stuff Freeman on 3rd and 1, and break up 4th down passes... Clock management? pfft. Tanner Lee and Nebraska had the ball down by a single score with 2:25 to go after holding Oregon to a 3 and out and stuffing Brooks James on a 9 yard loss... Oregon made a great play, hit Lee as he threw, INT, game over. Previous to that 3 and out, Nebraska scored in 2 minutes to pull within one score. So I agree, tossing shade at some other DC, or making up some clock management BS, when Oregon State is burning to the ground is weak sauce.
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Post by nforkbeav on Sept 12, 2017 12:53:46 GMT -8
At $825,000, Diaco not talking to the media (particularly at Nebraska) is not going over well. It was overblown. The much more recent news is, his defense shut out a P12 offense in the second half and on their turf. That happened minus Nebraska's being down two starters in their secondary going into the second half and one of them is probably their best overall defensive player. For a brand new system and minus two key defenders, shutting out sdtr on their field for an entire half is a lot further along than our defense is after 2 plus years.
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Post by nabeav on Sept 12, 2017 13:05:14 GMT -8
Everybody says this was Oregon "going conservative" or "taking their foot off the gas". zero credit given to making adjustments to Oregon. For sure it helped that Oregon wanted to come out and kill the clock but nobody seems to give credit for Nebraska sudden ability to stuff Freeman on 3rd and 1, and break up 4th down passes... I did hear Justin Herbert on the radio yesterday say something along the lines of "We made some adjustments at half time that obviously didn't work as well as we would've liked, but you know, they've got coaches over there too and they did some different things in the second half as well." Sure, it's easy to give credit when you still win the game, but I thought it was a pretty classy answer from him.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 12, 2017 13:18:49 GMT -8
At $825,000, Diaco not talking to the media (particularly at Nebraska) is not going over well. It was overblown. The much more recent news is, his defense shut out a P12 offense in the second half and on their turf. That happened minus Nebraska's being down two starters in their secondary going into the second half and one of them is probably their best overall defensive player. For a brand new system and minus two key defenders, shutting out sdtr on their field for an entire half is a lot further along than our defense is after 2 plus years. massively, and Diaco was unamused: www.cornnation.com/2017/9/4/16253234/nebraska-huskers-football-bob-diaco-practice-report-bob-diaco-fired-up
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 12, 2017 13:48:48 GMT -8
When asked about receiver Jordan Villamin's postgame comments that he doesn't "think people are ready to play" after halftime, Andersen said players have not expressed that concern to him. "If there are real problems," Andersen said, "and they're not emotionally talking after a football game and they felt they were out of shape, they felt that there was an issue, they would walk in and communicate with me about that." Really? Would they? Posted at beaverblitz by the head writer... "I posted this in a different thread, but think it needs it's own. On Sunday morning I went downstairs at the hotel we stayed at to grab a cup of coffee. There were tons of Nebraska fans there who I spoke a little, but said I follow the Beavs. A lady was also getting her coffee and said her son played on defense for the Beavs. We of course struck up a conversation when I realized who it was and we were talking about the team. After the game she said they had spent time at her son's apt. with several of his teammates. She said they were down, broken and questioning everything they did. One player said that it really didn't matter what he did, it wouldn't be right and he'd hear about it so why even try. Scout team members who are told to work hard and they'll get their opportunity, don't, even when they see their teammates making mistake after mistake. Again, why try, when you know you aren't going to get a chance no matter what happens on the field. There is so much going on, but the why try seems to resonate on several levels. Tough love can take you only so far, but if these young men feel that they will never please the coaches no matter what they do, there comes a point where they shut down. Just like those of you who are parents know...sometimes you can get more with praise then you can with yelling and anger. From my view, we are seeing a bunch of players who are simply not trying. Not because they don't want to be great, but because they feel like no matter what they do, it will be wrong or they simply won't get a chance." Does Angie have an axe to grind? Is it a BS site that general posts BS? Angie Machado is 100% pro and anything she says, I would mostly take as gospel. Her ties to the AD are deep - she worked for the AD prior to taking over Publisher duties with Blitz. No axe to grind, she's as pro-OSU as you could imagine.
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