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Post by gotmilk on Sept 12, 2017 14:12:48 GMT -8
Nebraska beat Arkansas st.
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Post by ee1990 on Sept 12, 2017 14:19:59 GMT -8
I'm all aboard the fire Anersen bandwagon, but cmon guys, what do you expect him to say? Talk is cheap. He knows it, you know it. THERE ARE NO WORDS. Win games.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 12, 2017 14:29:51 GMT -8
I'm all aboard the fire Anersen bandwagon, but cmon guys, what do you expect him to say? Talk is cheap. He knows it, you know it. THERE ARE NO WORDS. Win games. Sadly GAG is not even a good "word smith"... I get a little of the "Bueller, Bueller, Bueller... Bueller" every time I hear him.
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Post by snohobeav on Sept 12, 2017 14:35:30 GMT -8
Not part of the press conference, but Warren and Parker on the radio show spent the half hour leading up to the press conference continuing to dog Bob Diaco for not talking to the media after Nebraska lost to Arkansas State....and then taking jabs at Mike Riley for poor clock management. I don't get the Diaco thing AT ALL. They basically said that, unlike Diaco, Gary Andersen was accountable after tough losses (or in Diaco's case, a tough win.) What they didn't mention is that I have NEVER heard a quote from a coordinator after a game here either. From Gina Mizell's "Morning After" column on Sunday: We won’t be able to get more details about that game plan until Tuesday from Nall, offensive coordinator Kevin McGiven and/or running backs coach Telly Lockette, who were not available after the game.Stop trying to divert us from looking at the fire in our own house by point out that there's a little bit of smoke coming from the chimney next door. I understand that they're paid by the university and whatever, but taking shots at Riley/The School Down the Road/etc just make us look petty. Also, all the snarky PJ Fleck comments they threw out last week really look bad now. It's a shame that we don't have anyone better in mid-valley to go to for sports talk. Comically, after looking miserable in the first half and not being able to stop a toddler from scoring, they effectively completely neutralized Oregon in the second half. Everybody says this was Oregon "going conservative" or "taking their foot off the gas". zero credit given to making adjustments to Oregon. For sure it helped that Oregon wanted to come out and kill the clock but nobody seems to give credit for Nebraska sudden ability to stuff Freeman on 3rd and 1, and break up 4th down passes... Clock management? pfft. Tanner Lee and Nebraska had the ball down by a single score with 2:25 to go after holding Oregon to a 3 and out and stuffing Brooks James on a 9 yard loss... Oregon made a great play, hit Lee as he threw, INT, game over. Previous to that 3 and out, Nebraska scored in 2 minutes to pull within one score. So I agree, tossing shade at some other DC, or making up some clock management BS, when Oregon State is burning to the ground is weak sauce. Riley was known for click management gaffes, so they were simply pointing it out still being an issue.
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 12, 2017 14:49:38 GMT -8
I can understand how some of the Beaver players might feel the way they do per baseba111's post. I watched that game and I could see no coherent coaching strategy. Very disappointed in this staff.
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Post by nabeav on Sept 12, 2017 14:50:10 GMT -8
Yes, but what were they? That's the thing. Neither Warren nor Parker had even watched the game. They just said "I heard he still had clock management issues."
I saw one smart guy on here comment on Riley taking 3 TOs into the half. Not sure when he should've used those timeouts in the first half: They went 3 and out on their last four drives of the half....calling a timeout on the last one would've only succeeded in giving Oregon more time to score again. According to ESPN, they scored to pull within 7 with 2:47 left. They then successfully used all three of their timeouts and forced Oregon into a 3-out to get the ball back with 2:25 seconds left.....that seems pretty logical to me.
I guess the criticism would be that they didn't save one of those timeouts for offense? If you allow another 45 seconds to run off the clock, you're looking at 1:30 or so left to go 80 yards. I don't get it. I don't know what he should've done differently. If you or anyone else can explain to me how Riley mismanaged the clock in the Oregon game, please let me know.
Until then, I will continue to believe that Warren and Parker just threw it out there knowing it would get Beaver Nation's dander up about something other than the Minnesota game and that hopefully they'd get more calls about how bad Nebraska is than how bad Oregon State is. It was a classless, pathetic attempt to change the subject, and I would suspect that if someone just randomly threw out "Andersen completely bungled the game plan," they would sure as s%#t do their research before addressing it on the air.
And to this day, the most insane clock mismanagement I ever saw at Oregon State (or anywhere else for that matter) was DA and Erickson casually chatting on the sidelines at Sun Devil Stadium while the last 45 seconds ticked away.
The second most insane clock mismangement I ever saw was Gary Andersen and Wisconsin frittering away the final seconds of a game that, ironically, was also at Sun Devil Stadium. (To be fair, the refs just let ASU lay on the ball, but there was no urgency from anyone on Wisconsin until it was way way way too late.)
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Post by biggieorange on Sept 12, 2017 15:07:49 GMT -8
When asked about receiver Jordan Villamin's postgame comments that he doesn't "think people are ready to play" after halftime, Andersen said players have not expressed that concern to him. "If there are real problems," Andersen said, "and they're not emotionally talking after a football game and they felt they were out of shape, they felt that there was an issue, they would walk in and communicate with me about that." Really? Would they? Posted at beaverblitz by the head writer... "I posted this in a different thread, but think it needs it's own. On Sunday morning I went downstairs at the hotel we stayed at to grab a cup of coffee. There were tons of Nebraska fans there who I spoke a little, but said I follow the Beavs. A lady was also getting her coffee and said her son played on defense for the Beavs. We of course struck up a conversation when I realized who it was and we were talking about the team. After the game she said they had spent time at her son's apt. with several of his teammates. She said they were down, broken and questioning everything they did. One player said that it really didn't matter what he did, it wouldn't be right and he'd hear about it so why even try. Scout team members who are told to work hard and they'll get their opportunity, don't, even when they see their teammates making mistake after mistake. Again, why try, when you know you aren't going to get a chance no matter what happens on the field. There is so much going on, but the why try seems to resonate on several levels. Tough love can take you only so far, but if these young men feel that they will never please the coaches no matter what they do, there comes a point where they shut down. Just like those of you who are parents know...sometimes you can get more with praise then you can with yelling and anger. From my view, we are seeing a bunch of players who are simply not trying. Not because they don't want to be great, but because they feel like no matter what they do, it will be wrong or they simply won't get a chance." Does Angie have an axe to grind? Is it a BS site that general posts BS? Stories like this parallels other things I have seen with Gary's personnel choices. I've posted before that he appears to want to have a All Airport Team. He has a certain look and size of guy and if you don't fit, see ya. I know it's weird with the last staff I'd see guys on the field and go "no way can that dude play Div I football". And then mostly they would show me I was wrong.
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Post by ee1990 on Sept 12, 2017 15:24:24 GMT -8
I'm all aboard the fire Anersen bandwagon, but cmon guys, what do you expect him to say? Talk is cheap. He knows it, you know it. THERE ARE NO WORDS. Win games. Sadly GAG is not even a good "word smith"... I get a little of the "Bueller, Bueller, Bueller... Bueller" every time I hear him. And if we were 2-0 he'd be the same guy on the mic but we'd find it endearing. I just don't see the point for tearing him apart every time he opens his mouth to some stupid question from the media.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 12, 2017 15:27:23 GMT -8
Sadly GAG is not even a good "word smith"... I get a little of the "Bueller, Bueller, Bueller... Bueller" every time I hear him. And if we were 2-0 he'd be the same guy on the mic but we'd find it endearing. I just don't see the point for tearing him apart every time he opens his mouth to some stupid question from the media. No... he'd still be monotone and full of dumb cliches. He'd be made fun of eventually either way. Now he's just "angry monotoned unsuccessful guy" vs "funny monotoned successful guy". 😉
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Post by biggieorange on Sept 12, 2017 16:05:13 GMT -8
And if we were 2-0 he'd be the same guy on the mic but we'd find it endearing. I just don't see the point for tearing him apart every time he opens his mouth to some stupid question from the media. No... he'd still be monotone and full of dumb cliches. He'd be made fun of eventually either way. Now he's just "angry monotoned unsuccessful guy" vs "funny monotoned successful guy". 😉 I have been along with others very critical of Gary, well since probably after year 1. But I want him to suceed, I have the gut feeling it isn't going to happen. Mostly because of quantitative stuff like 3rd quarter scoring. It isn't like the Beavers are a little behind here, they have been horrible after half time, basically since HE GOT HERE, even if he just did nothing at all, by the averages it would seem like OSU would perform better in the 3rd quarter. And Gary doesn't think he needs to change anything! This gives me that pit of the stomach dispair.
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Post by nabeav on Sept 13, 2017 11:56:07 GMT -8
F me - Warren just took yet another unprovoked swipe at Riley for clock management. This time in a conversation about the game "passing by" Urban Meyer. Caller says it isn't so much scheme, it's coaches having their players understand their roles and removing indecision, and Warren pivots directly to Riley's clock management "issues" vs. Oregon.
Now, my take would be that perhaps OSU's problem isn't the talent, it's them being unsure of their assignments and responsibilities, but hey, that's just me.
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Post by jdogge on Sept 13, 2017 12:03:59 GMT -8
I don't buy that kids able to compete at a D1 level can't take a lot of criticism, at least to the point where they no longer believe in their abilities. I can buy that kids will get confused by coaching to the point where they feel helpless to do what's expected/correct, because the direction is contradictory/erratic/unpredictable. If the kids are trying very hard, doing what they understood they were told to do and the results are bad, that's a really bad mixture (but pretty common in sports). I agree. It isn't that kids can't take criticism, it is that if there is not consistency to the criticism. if there is no common direction and no light at the end of the tunnel, then you feel helpless. So, where are the team leaders? Isn't it their responsibility to tell the coach that his approach isn't working? Have they done that and been ignored? And where are the assistant coaches in all of this? Or are they just as shy? Is Anderson that much of a martinet?
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 13, 2017 12:05:14 GMT -8
F me - Warren just took yet another unprovoked swipe at Riley for clock management. This time in a conversation about the game "passing by" Urban Meyer. Caller says it isn't so much scheme, it's coaches having their players understand their roles and removing indecision, and Warren pivots directly to Riley's clock management "issues" vs. Oregon. Now, my take would be that perhaps OSU's problem isn't the talent, it's them being unsure of their assignments and responsibilities, but hey, that's just me. Sure, but what does Dave from Tumwater think?
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Post by nabeav on Sept 13, 2017 12:30:59 GMT -8
I flipped over to 1080 The Fan to hear a pre-recorded bit with Mike Parker and didn't hear DFT today. DFT was a huge Riley critic though.
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 13, 2017 12:50:45 GMT -8
I flipped over to 1080 The Fan to hear a pre-recorded bit with Mike Parker and didn't hear DFT today. DFT was a huge Riley critic though. Warren teased that DFT was coming up after the break and they had a lot to cover because he got cut off by coaches press conference earlier in the week. Fortunately/unfortunately(?) I rolled into work and had to miss it..
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