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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 7, 2017 12:48:31 GMT -8
Urban Meyer is a great human being, a class act. Anyone with the character to quit the SEC, because they are a bunch of a-holes is aok in my book. Badmouth Harbaugh. Is he really a great guy or are you joking? I really don't know much about him personally. Seems like so many great coaches come across as borderline sociopaths, so I like knowing about the "good guys". It's why I have such an affection for Coach Riley. No, I am not joking. He is a great down-to-earth, blue collar coach. From what I hear, he hated his time at Florida, because he refused to cut corners, and he watched several of the other coaches cut corners. Cam Newton faced expulsion at Florida under Meyer and then transferred to Auburn and won a Heisman Trophy and National Championship. He is a hard-worker, which may make him a borderline sociopath, but most coaches work really hard to be great at what they do. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 7, 2017 13:02:49 GMT -8
Urban Meyer is a great human being, a class act. Anyone with the character to quit the SEC, because they are a bunch of a-holes is aok in my book. He quite the SEC.....and went to Ohio State - which operates just like an SEC program, cheating and all. *Quit* Boo. Please provide evidence to support your libel. The Big Ten schools are generally class-act institutions. The Big Ten and Pac-12 are the two pillars of academic, athletic, and educational excellence and integrity. The other conferences are mostly a wasteland with the occasional Boston College, Duke, Texas, and Vanderbilt as exceptions to the general rule. Jim Tressel was a scumbag, but I have not heard the same thing about the new Ohio State under Meyer. From everything that I have heard, the Buckeyes are now a team that wins the right way and wins a lot. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 7, 2017 13:08:27 GMT -8
He quite the SEC.....and went to Ohio State - which operates just like an SEC program, cheating and all. *Quit* Boo. Please provide evidence to support your libel. The Big Ten schools are generally class-act institutions. The Big Ten and Pac-12 are the two pillars of academic, athletic, and educational excellence and integrity. The other conferences are mostly a wasteland with the occasional Boston College, Duke, Texas, and Vanderbilt as exceptions to the general rule. Jim Tressel was a scumbag, but I have not heard the same thing about the new Ohio State under Meyer. From everything that I have heard, the Buckeyes are now a team that wins the right way and wins a lot. players misbehaving is a far cry from a program that cheats. A program that covers up player misbehaving could be construed as a program that cheats. either way, Ohio State had players break rules, they all were punished and the coach got fired. It happens. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 7, 2017 13:28:45 GMT -8
*Quit* Boo. Please provide evidence to support your libel. The Big Ten schools are generally class-act institutions. The Big Ten and Pac-12 are the two pillars of academic, athletic, and educational excellence and integrity. The other conferences are mostly a wasteland with the occasional Boston College, Duke, Texas, and Vanderbilt as exceptions to the general rule. Jim Tressel was a scumbag, but I have not heard the same thing about the new Ohio State under Meyer. From everything that I have heard, the Buckeyes are now a team that wins the right way and wins a lot. players misbehaving is a far cry from a program that cheats. A program that covers up player misbehaving could be construed as a program that cheats. either way, Ohio State had players break rules, they all were punished and the coach got fired. It happens. Jim Tressel got fired (he actually resigned with the threat of firing, if he did not), for several reasons. Among them: (1) He lied. He lied to attempt to cover up his lies. When those lies were refuted, he lied to cover up those lies. He lied to put his players on the field in 2010. When asked if he knew about it after the regular season, he lied the University. When the NCAA finally got around to making its accusations, Tressel attempted to refute the accusations by asserting that he had spoken to each of the suspended players on this team and that was why he did what he did. That, of course, was a lie.
(2) The allegations stretched back to Ohio State's 2002 national championship run and involved 28 players from 2002-2010. Sports Illustrated broke that information on the Friday before Memorial Day, and Tressel resigned on Memorial Day.
Don't cry for the sweater vest, though. Jim Tressel is now the President of Youngstown State, where class-act Bo Pelini is the head ball coach. |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 7, 2017 13:40:11 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 7, 2017 13:56:05 GMT -8
Hernandez was suspended for the 2008 season opener for testing positive for marijuana. Everything else that he did before 2008 did not become public until after he had declared for the draft. Hernandez went to Bible study at Meyer's house in 2008 and 2009. It looked like Hernandez had turned a corner. The rest of Hernandez' problems seem to have really picked up after he left Florida and Meyer behind. |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 7, 2017 14:01:30 GMT -8
Are you then assuming that because it wasn't public, Urban Meyer was unaware of it? I find that hard to believe.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 7, 2017 14:06:53 GMT -8
Are you then assuming that because it wasn't public, Urban Meyer was unaware of it? I find that hard to believe. You find it hard to believe that he would hear about a random two-person bar fight that did not result in an arrest or detention and a random firearms investigation with no suspects in Gainesville? Gainesville's like three times the size of Corvallis and in the South (where I would imagine that both are far more prevalent), and the Oregon State coaches seem like they get flat-footed with stuff that happened years ago all of the time. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 7, 2017 14:28:01 GMT -8
Are you then assuming that because it wasn't public, Urban Meyer was unaware of it? I find that hard to believe. You find it hard to believe that he would hear about a random two-person bar fight that did not result in an arrest or detention and a random firearms investigation with no suspects in Gainesville? Gainesville's like three times the size of Corvallis and in the South (where I would imagine that both are far more prevalent), and the Oregon State coaches seem like they get flat-footed with stuff that happened years ago all of the time. There was a lot of crap that went on under Meyer at Florida. I think perhaps its an institutional thing, and maybe that's why he wanted out, because it reflected poorly on him. He has kept OSU out of the bad news section for the most part since he arrived there.
Meyer is a phenomenal coach, same with Saban. I've reached the point in my life where I simply respect what they do rather than root against them, which I did for most of my 30s.
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Post by nabeav on Sept 7, 2017 15:03:07 GMT -8
Are you then assuming that because it wasn't public, Urban Meyer was unaware of it? I find that hard to believe. You find it hard to believe that he would hear about a random two-person bar fight that did not result in an arrest or detention and a random firearms investigation with no suspects in Gainesville? Gainesville's like three times the size of Corvallis and in the South (where I would imagine that both are far more prevalent), and the Oregon State coaches seem like they get flat-footed with stuff that happened years ago all of the time. Looking into a little more, while police were involved both times, you are correct that he was never charged. Given that he punched a dude in the head at a bar, I figure that would make it back to a coach, especially in an SEC town where football is king. I might be wrong, and I'll admit confirmation bias with regards to sports figures behaving badly. I'm not out to prove that Urb is a devil, and it's true "St. Mike" had his issues with player delinquency, though I think he was fairly swift with punishment (the Brenda Tracy thing aside, which he has repeatedly owned up to and said he should've handled differently.) I just hesitate to talk about any coach or public figure in absolutes. Ray Rice was a role model until he wasn't. Jared from Subway was an inspiration to millions until he wasn't. Coaches, celebrities, church leaders....we don't really know these people. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 7, 2017 15:13:33 GMT -8
You find it hard to believe that he would hear about a random two-person bar fight that did not result in an arrest or detention and a random firearms investigation with no suspects in Gainesville? Gainesville's like three times the size of Corvallis and in the South (where I would imagine that both are far more prevalent), and the Oregon State coaches seem like they get flat-footed with stuff that happened years ago all of the time. Looking into a little more, while police were involved both times, you are correct that he was never charged. Given that he punched a dude in the head at a bar, I figure that would make it back to a coach, especially in an SEC town where football is king. I might be wrong, and I'll admit confirmation bias with regards to sports figures behaving badly. I'm not out to prove that Urb is a devil, and it's true "St. Mike" had his issues with player delinquency, though I think he was fairly swift with punishment (the Brenda Tracy thing aside, which he has repeatedly owned up to and said he should've handled differently.) I just hesitate to talk about any coach or public figure in absolutes. Ray Rice was a role model until he wasn't. Jared from Subway was an inspiration to millions until he wasn't. Coaches, celebrities, church leaders....we don't really know these people. Very true. I base a lot of my opinions on friends, who went to both Florida and Ohio State. I think it is telling that the Florida people that I know still hold Meyer in very high regard with regards to running a clean program. (He ran a Bible study at Florida, for goodness sakes!) The Ohio State people I know, who have met Meyer, say great things bout him, as well. I generally think that the current coaches at the upper-echelon programs tend to run fairly-clean programs. There are some second-tier programs, the Auburns and Oregons of the world, who are trying to keep up and cutting corners. And then there are outright scumbags that pop up from time-to-time (more often in the southeast for whatever reason).......... |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 7, 2017 15:22:25 GMT -8
wilkyisdashiznit maybe you and I should teach a course to other people on this board about how to have a disagreement without calling each other morons. Appreciate your contributions and opinions here, even if I don't always agree with them. But mostly I agree with them.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 7, 2017 17:38:56 GMT -8
wilkyisdashiznit maybe you and I should teach a course to other people on this board about how to have a disagreement without calling each other morons. Appreciate your contributions and opinions here, even if I don't always agree with them. But mostly I agree with them. "Data bases" don't have emotional outbursts they just hammer you with informations until you submit and don't recognize an opinion from fact  We all love ya wilky! |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 7, 2017 20:52:05 GMT -8
wilkyisdashiznit maybe you and I should teach a course to other people on this board about how to have a disagreement without calling each other morons. Appreciate your contributions and opinions here, even if I don't always agree with them. But mostly I agree with them. Thanks, nabeav. You put out some great stuff. I enjoy reading all of the posts, even if I do not always agree, because everyone that posts give everyone else something to think on. I really try and avoid name-calling, unless someone has a terrible position and keeps digging in despite all of the facts to the contrary. Then, I can get snippy. But I try and hold off, because we are all generally on the same side, just with different perspectives. |
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Post by usmc1958 on Sept 7, 2017 21:08:15 GMT -8
Well he did immediately turn Bowling Green and Utah around in his first seasons there, most definitely without 4 or 5 star recruits (Bowling Green 2-9 prior season to 8-3 UM's first year, and Utah 5-6 prior season to 10-2 UM's first year). Not that I'd be dumb enough to compare our head coach to one of the best coaches in the game. Not every coach is an Urban Meyer... no. But coaches should pay attention. He isn't wrong. Meyer ain't making excuses about other players, why the hell are you? Meyer ain't crying about it "being a process", "it takes time" or any of that s%#t. why are you? Meyer sure as hell didn't need 3-4 years at ANY place he has ever coached in his entire life... why the hell do you? As the saying goes "When every place you goes smells like s%#t, maybe it is time to look under your shoes" I heard a saying years ago about Bear Bryant at Alabama; The Bear can take his'n and beat yours. And the Bear can take yours and beat his'n. |
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