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Post by boiler on Sept 1, 2017 14:30:02 GMT -8
This thread has become pointless. Lots of name calling, but few who know what they are talking about. It is not about starting the season with a stinker of a game....The Fiesta Bowl team did that.
It's about having a stinker of a season after two stinker seasons. Its about all the promise that was shown by 3M in the last two games of last season only to be tossed aside with no experienced replacement.
It's about an opponent making the team look clueless, and the coaches incapable of any adjustment.
GA has not proved himself as a coach yet. Not at Wisconsin, and before that were at lower levels or as an assistant. Jerry Pettibone was very successfull at Northern Illinois. He was relatively successful in his first 3 years here. But when the AD insisted he develop a passing game, he did not know how and neither did his staff. His team looked as bad as we just did against CSU. You have to go back to Craig Fertig or Joe Avezzano to find coaches who were this unsuccessful in a third year....Yet the team HAS TALENT!!
He has had enough time to do much better. If this team does not improve quickly and do better in the league, it time to clean house!
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 1, 2017 14:38:36 GMT -8
This thread has become pointless. Lots of name calling, but few who know what they are talking about. It is not about starting the season with a stinker of a game....The Fiesta Bowl team did that. It's about having a stinker of a season after two stinker seasons. Its about all the promise that was shown by 3M in the last two games of last season only to be tossed aside with no experienced replacement. It's about an opponent making the team look clueless, and the coaches incapable of any adjustment. GA has not proved himself as a coach yet. Not at Wisconsin, and before that were at lower levels or as an assistant. Jerry Pettibone was very successfull at Northern Illinois. He was relatively successful in his first 3 years here. But when the AD insisted he develop a passing game, he did not know how and neither did his staff. His team looked as bad as we just did against CSU. You have to go back to Craig Fertig or Joe Avezzano to find coaches who were this unsuccessful in a third year....Yet the team HAS TALENT!! He has had enough time to do much better. If this team does not improve quickly and do better in the league, it time to clean house! Ok... have a sense of humor. I'm on my phone and can't highlight your specific words so bear with me. Not sure I've seen much "name calling" (Glove it wasn't me it wasn't me!)... but ok. ... but few who know what they are talking about." Comparing this team and their game one loss to the Fiesta Bowl team kinda quantifies! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 14:51:27 GMT -8
Ironically, it was almost 10 years ago that this happened: So you'll pardon me if I scoff at your post. And somewhat ironically, this happened in a 10 win year. You say that as if we had more than two since the 1970s.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 15:02:20 GMT -8
First, you included others in your post. You asked me why I "crucify anyone who points out..." and you asked me to explain "why we are so bad...." So forgive me if you are not one of those standing in line to suck MR's dick. I lumped you in with them and that was wrong. But if you could overlook that little sin of mine, perhaps you could see why listening to fans bellyache about GA while they praise MR makes me sick. But I guess you took offense at being lumped in with the others and missed my point. My bad. I've never said that GA deserves praise. I've never said that GA is a great coach. I've never said that we shouldn't fire him. I simply want fellow Beaver fans to be a little patient. Again, Baseba1111, I guess I did not make myself clear. Let me try to spell it out for you. Improvement certainly can be seen in wins. But for me, improvement means that we are better than the year before. Let's see....GA's first year....How many games were even close? How about last year? Is that not a measure of improvement? Didn't you notice a marked improvement in the character of the team--the fact that even if we lost, we went down swinging? I can enjoy being a fan of a team that plays with heart. So have you seen enough this year to say that the Beavers are not improving? From one game? Back in Logic class we'd call that a hasty generalization. A fallacy. So you might end up judging him on other perceived wrongdoings, like not anointing 3M as the starter this year. Seems to me that this, too, is weak evidence to condemn him. Your evidence to hang the man is premature. That's all. Let's just be patient and see what happens. Perhaps there's a method to what he is implementing. Perhaps he's just not cut out for the job. But based upon last year's performance, would you have fired him then? So why after 1 game this year? So, in short, you just can't come up with some specifics! Which is fine... opinions are great. You have yours and so do others. But, most of the GA "bitching" is attached to "real and tangible" aspects of the program and how it has been run... NOT just opinion. You might not like it, but it will continue until there are "real and tangible" results... and not just in W's (but, that will help some... and mask other areas if truly not improved), but in several very real and important aspects. Then there is always the first couple sentences then stop reading too!? I give up, Baseba1111. Bitch away. That's why you're here, isn't it? Spread your misery around. I'll give you full credit for hard-headedness and for interpreting posts as best suits your argument. But I do have to deduct points for comprehension and for grammar. What happened with that last sentence anyway?! C+ Let's see if you can show improvement the rest of the term.
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Post by cake on Sept 1, 2017 15:19:43 GMT -8
This thread has become pointless. Lots of name calling, but few who know what they are talking about. It is not about starting the season with a stinker of a game....The Fiesta Bowl team did that. It's about having a stinker of a season after two stinker seasons. Its about all the promise that was shown by 3M in the last two games of last season only to be tossed aside with no experienced replacement. It's about an opponent making the team look clueless, and the coaches incapable of any adjustment. GA has not proved himself as a coach yet. Not at Wisconsin, and before that were at lower levels or as an assistant. Jerry Pettibone was very successfull at Northern Illinois. He was relatively successful in his first 3 years here. But when the AD insisted he develop a passing game, he did not know how and neither did his staff. His team looked as bad as we just did against CSU. You have to go back to Craig Fertig or Joe Avezzano to find coaches who were this unsuccessful in a third year....Yet the team HAS TALENT!! He has had enough time to do much better. If this team does not improve quickly and do better in the league, it time to clean house! Revisionist history anyone? Pettibone's best season was 9 wins at N. Illinois. Andersen has won 10 or more games twice in his career, including 10 wins at 'high level' Wisconsin, so that's more success. Also, you say 'before that were at lower levels' yet you tout Pettibone's success at N. Illinois? Which is it? Lower level success is important or not important? Pettibone won 4 games as his career high at Oregon State, in both his 3rd and 4th seasons. Andersen matched that in his second, the third obviously got off to a s%#tty start, but the season isn't over. Yet Pettibone was 'somewhat successful' here? But Andersen is unsuccessful? Which is it? I get it, we sucked in the first game, everybody's freaking out, but your arguments are contradictory. The season isn't over. This team will improve.
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Post by abureid on Sept 1, 2017 17:29:58 GMT -8
Frankly, now that we've moved on from he who shall not be named, I'm proud of our fan base for not tolerating losing. We wouldn't have been this unhappy 10 years ago. Ironically, it was almost 10 years ago that this happened: So you'll pardon me if I scoff at your post. Didn't that sign double as a Canfield sign. The wine is starting to get to me, bit I think I remember, the mob wanted Mannion's head on a pike. * maybe it was Vaz... I need to open another bottle
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 1, 2017 17:33:36 GMT -8
Ironically, it was almost 10 years ago that this happened: So you'll pardon me if I scoff at your post. Didn't that sign double as a Canfield sign. The wine is starting to get to me, bit I think I remember, the mob wanted Mannion's head on a pike. Pretty sure that Mannion and Canfield didn't overlap, but it just be the whisky kicking in.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 1, 2017 17:35:53 GMT -8
Didn't that sign double as a Canfield sign. The wine is starting to get to me, bit I think I remember, the mob wanted Mannion's head on a pike. Pretty sure that Mannion and Canfield didn't overlap, but it just be the whisky kicking in. Pretty sure it was Canfield and Shanklin, but I've been on vacation all day...
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Post by thomasg86 on Sept 1, 2017 17:43:27 GMT -8
Didn't that sign double as a Canfield sign. The wine is starting to get to me, bit I think I remember, the mob wanted Mannion's head on a pike. Pretty sure that Mannion and Canfield didn't overlap, but it just be the whisky kicking in. This was 2006 and they were calling for Matt Moore's head as well.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 1, 2017 19:11:12 GMT -8
And somewhat ironically, this happened in a 10 win year. You say that as if we had more than two since the 1970s. The irony is that in one of the best seasons the Beavers EVER had, there were so called "fans" calling for the coach's firing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 19:50:25 GMT -8
You say that as if we had more than two since the 1970s. The irony is that in one of the best seasons the Beavers EVER had, there were so called "fans" calling for the coach's firing. I wasn't blind to that message. I just think it's funny how we bandy about that term, "10 win season," as if we've had more than two in recent memory. As for fickle fans, boy, have I seen enough here! It's just football, for crying out loud.
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