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Post by biggieorange on Sept 1, 2017 11:33:30 GMT -8
Lots of easy excuses for the Beavs poor showing at Ft. Collins....too hot, too high, etc., etc. But as has been pointed out previously, the real in-game problems centered on poor defensive organization and poor offensive play calling. IMO, along with Anderson's apparent inability to recruit any more effectively than MR, these are signs of deep problems in a third year program. Im as skeptical as the next guy, but I disagree that Andersin isn't a better recruiter. I think the last year and a half OSU was looking real down in recruiting and the staff quite frankly looked sort of lost and depressed. So yeah overall in recruiting Riley = Andersin, but I think if you took Rileys last 3 seasons and Andersin's last 3, it is probably a push and Gary first one really isn't his fault given the timing.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 1, 2017 11:51:30 GMT -8
You know what, if we had a way back machine, there were fans this unhappy coming into our 10 win season, 11 win season, and several of our 8 and 9 win seasons. We have, and have had, a lot of unhappy folk on the manic-depressive Beaver boards since I joined in '99. I expect it to continue on into the future. There were people ready to fire Erickson when we scraped by with a win over EWU years back... "Can't see another win this season". Nothing new under the sun. We can agree to disagree. IMO, we never would have been this collectively upset with a Riley team losing that game and then going 8-5. This team isn't going to win 8 games and we all know it. There would have been a larger population preaching temperance and patience. Maybe it's just the demographic here. Point of order... We can still go 8 and 5. People WERE this upset after game one or game two in several to most of the good Riley years. People were extremely upset with Erickson after 1 game in 2000. You say "This team isn't goint to win 8 games and we all know it" , after 1-3 games in 2000, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2013 there were plenty of people on the message boards saying they couldn't see another win or two after embarrassing early season losses.. all of those seasons were 7 or more wins. People have been at least close to this upset at this point in the season before. There are lots of panicky fans here every year, it only takes one to two losses and they lose it.
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Post by shelby on Sept 1, 2017 12:08:06 GMT -8
Yes, to be fair, none of us know how this will all play out. In essence, I am disappointed that we looked unprepared going into CSU. I did not think I would relive those early season games again, once so and so was gone. But - here we are and the true test will be how we recover and move forward. Unfortunately, we did not look very athletic the last time on the field...., but, hopefully it is a wake up call. PSU played BYU tough. But, if the OC and D.C. Are any good at all, we should be able to game plan to our strengths and take advantage of their weaknesses. Our DB's gave the CSU wideouts too much space. We did not call enough run plays and Luton threw into thick coverage. We need more two and three back sets. Use the outside to develop some quick screens and to spread the defense out. No three and outs.... Get three turnovers and 4 sacks !
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 1, 2017 12:09:42 GMT -8
Frankly, now that we've moved on from he who shall not be named, I'm proud of our fan base for not tolerating losing. We wouldn't have been this unhappy 10 years ago. Ironically, it was almost 10 years ago that this happened: So you'll pardon me if I scoff at your post.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 1, 2017 12:12:18 GMT -8
So... first you didn't read. The 6-19 was NOT what I and many others mention or focus on. Second... you did not bring up one let alone a short list of factual reasons GA deserves praise. So the only thing you got is your opinion we showed improvement? How so? Would that be because we had "wins"? Lol Third, there was no comparative mention in my post. First, you included others in your post. You asked me why I "crucify anyone who points out..." and you asked me to explain "why we are so bad...." So forgive me if you are not one of those standing in line to suck MR's dick. I lumped you in with them and that was wrong. But if you could overlook that little sin of mine, perhaps you could see why listening to fans bellyache about GA while they praise MR makes me sick. But I guess you took offense at being lumped in with the others and missed my point. My bad. I've never said that GA deserves praise. I've never said that GA is a great coach. I've never said that we shouldn't fire him. I simply want fellow Beaver fans to be a little patient. Again, Baseba1111, I guess I did not make myself clear. Let me try to spell it out for you. Improvement certainly can be seen in wins. But for me, improvement means that we are better than the year before. Let's see....GA's first year....How many games were even close? How about last year? Is that not a measure of improvement? Didn't you notice a marked improvement in the character of the team--the fact that even if we lost, we went down swinging? I can enjoy being a fan of a team that plays with heart. So have you seen enough this year to say that the Beavers are not improving? From one game? Back in Logic class we'd call that a hasty generalization. A fallacy. So you might end up judging him on other perceived wrongdoings, like not anointing 3M as the starter this year. Seems to me that this, too, is weak evidence to condemn him. Your evidence to hang the man is premature. That's all. Let's just be patient and see what happens. Perhaps there's a method to what he is implementing. Perhaps he's just not cut out for the job. But based upon last year's performance, would you have fired him then? So why after 1 game this year? So, in short, you just can't come up with some specifics! Which is fine... opinions are great. You have yours and so do others. But, most of the GA "bitching" is attached to "real and tangible" aspects of the program and how it has been run... NOT just opinion. You might not like it, but it will continue until there are "real and tangible" results... and not just in W's (but, that will help some... and mask other areas if truly not improved), but in several very real and important aspects. Then there is always the first couple sentences then stop reading too!?
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 1, 2017 12:16:57 GMT -8
Frankly, now that we've moved on from he who shall not be named, I'm proud of our fan base for not tolerating losing. We wouldn't have been this unhappy 10 years ago. Ironically, it was almost 10 years ago that this happened: So you'll pardon me if I scoff at your post. And somewhat ironically, this happened in a 10 win year.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 1, 2017 12:21:44 GMT -8
Lots of easy excuses for the Beavs poor showing at Ft. Collins....too hot, too high, etc., etc. But as has been pointed out previously, the real in-game problems centered on poor defensive organization and poor offensive play calling. IMO, along with Anderson's apparent inability to recruit any more effectively than MR, these are signs of deep problems in a third year program. Im as skeptical as the next guy, but I disagree that Andersin isn't a better recruiter. I think the last year and a half OSU was looking real down in recruiting and the staff quite frankly looked sort of lost and depressed. So yeah overall in recruiting Riley = Andersin, but I think if you took Rileys last 3 seasons and Andersin's last 3, it is probably a push and Gary first one really isn't his fault given the timing. On paper it may seem like a push, but two aspects give the previous staff a huge edge IMHO. -most of the kids who have made GA's classes average have not seen the field or are no longer here. Which leads to... -player development was far superior once kids were actually on campus under the previous regime. I'm still amazed on how fundamentally bad we are at certain things. The one thing you can not knock on that former staff is developing underrated kids. But, funny it was often said that they found "diamonds in the rough" that other teams over looked. Which to me under sold the actual job they did in developing talent into "diamonds". So far, we really have not seen that. In fact a lot of players seem to be under achieving. Time will tell... but 25 games should be enough to show signs of coaching development... scheme and players. If you are going to be so stubborn to not adapt your schemes then as a staff you best be player development geniuses.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 1, 2017 12:23:56 GMT -8
Ironically, it was almost 10 years ago that this happened: So you'll pardon me if I scoff at your post. And somewhat ironically, this happened in a 10 win year. LMAO... I know three of those DBs... firing coaches have been a way of life for them when their kids did not play enough. Suppose they thought they would just keep it going at OSU games....
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 1, 2017 12:58:51 GMT -8
Lots of easy excuses for the Beavs poor showing at Ft. Collins....too hot, too high, etc., etc. But as has been pointed out previously, the real in-game problems centered on poor defensive organization and poor offensive play calling. IMO, along with Anderson's apparent inability to recruit any more effectively than MR, these are signs of deep problems in a third year program. Im as skeptical as the next guy, but I disagree that Andersin isn't a better recruiter. I think the last year and a half OSU was looking real down in recruiting and the staff quite frankly looked sort of lost and depressed. So yeah overall in recruiting Riley = Andersin, but I think if you took Rileys last 3 seasons and Andersin's last 3, it is probably a push and Gary first one really isn't his fault given the timing. for my own personal amusement, could you PLEASE randomly misspell it in a new and interesting way for the remainder of the season? I want to personally count how many people freak out about it.
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 1, 2017 13:11:37 GMT -8
It seemed to me that this was not a random misspelling but I'm still trying to understand the reference.
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Post by sagebrush on Sept 1, 2017 13:20:11 GMT -8
Frankly grackle, there should be a firm of locksmiths in the coaches' offices ready to change the locks if PSU wins. Also, someone from the AD's office should be in Monmouth, phone in hand, ready to tell the coaching staff at Western that since they are under contract with the State of Oregon, they are being transferred immediately to Corvallis and Oregon State.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 1, 2017 13:52:27 GMT -8
Frankly grackle, there should be a firm of locksmiths in the coaches' offices ready to change the locks if PSU wins. Also, someone from the AD's office should be in Monmouth, phone in hand, ready to tell the coaching staff at Western that since they are under contract with the State of Oregon, they are being transferred immediately to Corvallis and Oregon State. 😂
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 1, 2017 13:57:50 GMT -8
Ironically, it was almost 10 years ago that this happened: So you'll pardon me if I scoff at your post. And somewhat ironically, this happened in a 10 win year. I'll bet anyone on this board $1000 that we don't win 10 games this year. Any takers?
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Post by biggieorange on Sept 1, 2017 14:26:25 GMT -8
It seemed to me that this was not a random misspelling but I'm still trying to understand the reference. For this week(hopefully) he is SixwinAndersin. For reference I had a post somewhere and I used Andersen and Anderson. People got triggered.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 1, 2017 14:29:39 GMT -8
It seemed to me that this was not a random misspelling but I'm still trying to understand the reference. For this week(hopefully) he is SixwinAndersin. For reference I had a post somewhere and I used Andersen and Anderson. People got triggered. After Saturday he best be "Anderseven"!
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