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Post by beaver94 on Aug 29, 2017 14:13:43 GMT -8
Sounds like a lot of you need to put your big boy pants on.
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 29, 2017 14:41:51 GMT -8
Texas State Fightin' Armadillos. "Necessary Roughness." Humorous. Meh. Ohio State is high risk, low reward. I would love it if Oregon State could go into Columbus and pull it out. But what are the chances that that happens? (Unless the past 25 games have all been a part of CGA's long con to win the game in Columbus? In which case, bravo CGA!) If Oregon State does not win in Columbus, what is the upside? A paycheck? I would rather schedule a home-in-home with Texas State (Bobcats) to play in beautiful San Marcos, Texas (between Austin and San Antonio) or UTSA (Roadrunners) in San Antonio. At least that might help recruiting. (And we need the help!) I go back to St. Dennis' thoughts on the subject: "We need a tougher non-conference like we need a hole in the head." Still relevant today. We need to get to bowl games, and that means we need all the non-conference wins that we can get. I favor the idea of scheduling an absolute bottom-feeder cupcake, a lower-tier mid-major that will come to Corvallis without a return trip (New Mexico State or like), and a home-and-home with a competitive mid-major in an important recruiting hotbed (Hawaii, San Diego State, San Jose State). NO more bodybag games. NO opponents who will not agree to a home and home. NO MORE ONE AND DONE GAMES on short notice for a team looking to use the Beavs to start a run at the playoffs (see TCU, Penn State, etc). This needs to be the MO until we start getting to bowl games. When 6 wins are so, so important, it's critical that they aren't being given away in non-conference tilts. I just want to say, OA, that I remember every year on the BF.com boards, like clockwork, when someone like Louisville was kicking our ass up and down the field, and someone like Gerald Lawson was staring at the back of a lot of jerseys, when yet another long TD pass went over his head... this quote would come out. I am pretty sure you were the one posting it each year too. Like the falling of the autumn leaves... you just came to expect it. Oh look, here is Oregon State, in over its head on another across the country body bag game against ANOTHER top-10 team... Oh, thanks BDC, I hope that $500K we just made makes up for the national humiliation we just suffered. And to be clear, I largely agree with the sentiment... why are we always the bitch? why are we always going to some other place on short notice? why are we always jumping when other teams bark? why did we so eagerly move this game up to late August, when that date in mid September following a warm-up game against PSU and then a challenge against Minnesota was so appealing? Heck, in another thread we were complaining about the temperature... well, what do you want from August in Colorado? Ain't anybody at the AD's office ever open an almanac? it is hot as balls every freaking day in the summer! What was our benefit? National exposure? on a third tier, at best, channel that nobody actually got? It isn't like we were jumping for the ESPN game or anything like some other moves we have made. Same thing with Ohio State. Are they coming back? HELL NO they ain't. What is our benefit? exposure in getting our teeth kicked in? no. it is stupid. OSU needs to stop being a bitch. Beat up on some St. Augustine's school for the exceptionally ungifted's intramural squad for awhile and build this program back up to the point it has depth and talent and every position. THEN you pick a fight. Pac-12 is everything we will ever need, forever, to get us to the Playoffs. If we win the Pac-12, there is no way on this earth we are not one of the teams, unless we pull a Stanford ala 1997 and outright win the conference with a 8-4 record. Stop the lunacy. ALL parts of OSU need to be working to get this program back on its feet. CGA needs to stop making moronic self-destructive decisions, the AD office needs to stop scheduling stupid one sided zero benefit games, and stop putting OSU behind the 8-ball with bending over backwards to meet other team's demands... OSU needs to market better, alumni need to step their game up and push for a finished stadium... The whole deal. The CSU game move, the Ohio State deal... just examples of things that put us where we are today.
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 29, 2017 15:10:32 GMT -8
OH MY GOD. Are you really complaining about how important bowl games are? For the better part of a decade, all the talk was "yeah we're going to bowl games, but it's the VEGAS BOWL," or "MAKE A HOLIDAY BOWL, THEN WE'LL TALK." Now we are trying to make our schedule as easy as possible to get to the Heart of Dallas Bowl or play in Boise in December? Give me a break. You had the bowl games, and it wasn't enough for y'all. You bit the hand that fed you, so it stopped feeding you. Let's be clear, I've never been part of the "yeah but it's the Vegas Bowl" group, because I grew up with The Streak. Getting to a bowl game, even the Heart of Dallas Bowl gives the team an extra month of practice and it is utterly essential for the health of the program for the team not to be spending the holidays at home. It's more important for us to get to bowl games than it is to have a "challenge" to prepare for in non-conference scheduling. The Pac-12 is a grind enough without adding tougher games.
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Post by nabeav on Aug 29, 2017 16:12:27 GMT -8
Pac-12 is everything we will ever need, forever, to get us to the Playoffs. If we win the Pac-12, there is no way on this earth we are not one of the teams, unless we pull a Stanford ala 1997 and outright win the conference with a 8-4 record. Most of the time we agree man, but I'm not with you on this one. Stanford went 11-2 (8-1) in 2015 and played non-conference games against Northwestern, Central Florida, and 4th ranked Notre Dame, then beat 24th ranked USC in the championship game and was still left out of the CFP. Why? Because they're Stanford. They don't have a national following and they don't travel particularly well....sort of like us. If we ever get to the point where we ARE good enough to be considered for the CFP, we better have a resume that is flawless and that will have to include a win against a top tier out of conference opponent. BTW, Stanford won the Rose Bowl 45-16 over Iowa that year.
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Post by beavsaregood on Aug 29, 2017 17:19:55 GMT -8
We need to go bowling every year. I don't care if we're 6-6 or 8-4. We need to go. Get the foundation set. I wouldn't schedule one and dones versus world beater teams where it doesn't benefit us (to me). National exposure? Getting crushed by a world beater? Nah. No thanks.
And schedule home and homes with hairy mid majors?.........where it seems we always have to travel first? I could be wrong on that. No. I don't want to deal with Boise State especially when we're trying to establish ourselves.
A promising year it always seemed but the OOC schedule is just hairy. Most SEC teams "usually" don't even go there. They don't go away from home. They sure as hell don't mess around with scary teams OOC. They believe their in conference schedule provides evidence enough to justify that they have a good overall schedule. I feel the same with the Pac. In our positions in the past where we're trying to get over the hump, I don't advise going to TX to play one game v. a nationally ranked TCU team. Or, start a home and home by travelling to Louisville. Or to Cincy first. All these games benefited them....the upstarts. Well, we were a middling upstart team in a power conference. We shouldn't give in.
The pac-12 schedule is tough enough. Let's make the OOC schedule a little easier. Why the hell should we always accommodate the other teams wishes? Because we're Oregon State? F that. I think we had our shots in the past and it would have been a little better if the scheduling were easier in OOC play to me. look 9-3s are better looking that 8-4s. 8-4s are better than 7-5s. It's all about perception and it's all about confidence. You string along a few 9-3 seasons then maybe you schedule a little tougher.
Until you show up in conference, why would the AD schedule a crap away game versus a same level mid major team that's just so desperate to have a P5 team come to their house. If OSU wins, great...they should. If they lose, "well, they're not ready for big boy football, yet."
How many did I thought, well if they just went 3-0 OOC, life would be easy.
So, yeah. Cream puff games please. Port State, Cal Poly, UC Davis, San Diego, Humboldt St, OIT? Sure. Then, a D1 mid major but easy. San Jose State.....New Mexico?....New Mexico St..Hawaii...(Something D1 easy and if it has to be a home and home, let's be the home team in game 1) instead of the top tier mid majors Boise State, Utah....hahaha....not them but they used to be, but, you know what I mean. And it always seems we travel first. And finally, maybe a home and home with a comparable team like a Minnesota or Okie State. So, we're doing this, now. We don't need this one and done stuff. I don't want to go to Ohio State or Michigan until we know we have a track record of success in the Pac-12. And of course go .500 or better in conference. Then, you're set. Go 3-6 in conference and 3-0 OOC, you're in a bowl. Go 6-3 and 3-0, you're looking very, very good. And until the Beavs can have this consistency, I don't want to schedule games that benefit the Boise States of the world. I don't. Because we are trying to establish ourselves, also. We don't need to schedule stupid OOC because we have the Pac-12. If we can't run the pac schedule every now and then, why would we be quasi suicidal/stupid in the OOC scheduling?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 29, 2017 17:56:02 GMT -8
Beaversaregood, have you followed the whole debate about scheduling easy games over the years? One of the constants that has come up over the last 20-30 years is that it's tough to get creampuff competition because there are tons of schools with 55k/65k/75k/85k+ capacity stadiums that can afford bigger payoffs scheduling them already. Even in years the AD has said we'd like to schedule softer competition they've had to admit it's tough. Granted there have been times we've taken payout games where we were underdogs, but going creampuff all the time is not as easily done as said.
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Post by beavsaregood on Aug 29, 2017 18:02:38 GMT -8
Beaversaregood, have you followed the whole debate about scheduling easy games over the years? One of the constants that has come up over the last 20-30 years is that it's tough to get creampuff competition because there are tons of schools with 55k/65k/75k/85k+ capacity stadiums that can afford bigger payoffs scheduling them already. Even in years the AD has said we'd like to schedule softer competition they've had to admit it's tough. Granted there have been times we've taken payout games where we were underdogs, but going creampuff all the time is not as easily done as said. Just no more. I don't want to see blue turf. It hurts my eyes. I don't want to deal with Fresno State fans. Just no. Just say no.
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Post by benny55 on Aug 29, 2017 19:30:17 GMT -8
I have to note that Andersen has uncorked a fountain of youth. I feel like I'm living my 20's again, at least I'm looking at the same results in the stadium. Now all we need do is rename it Parker.....
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 29, 2017 19:32:09 GMT -8
I have to note that Andersen has uncorked a fountain of youth. I feel like I'm living my 20's again, at least I'm looking at the same results in the stadium. Now all we need do is rename it Parker..... I hope you're not 55...
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 29, 2017 19:33:17 GMT -8
Beaversaregood, have you followed the whole debate about scheduling easy games over the years? One of the constants that has come up over the last 20-30 years is that it's tough to get creampuff competition because there are tons of schools with 55k/65k/75k/85k+ capacity stadiums that can afford bigger payoffs scheduling them already. Even in years the AD has said we'd like to schedule softer competition they've had to admit it's tough. Granted there have been times we've taken payout games where we were underdogs, but going creampuff all the time is not as easily done as said. Just no more. I don't want to see blue turf. It hurts my eyes. I don't want to deal with Fresno State fans. Just no. Just say no. I want to go kick the crap out of Boise St. Fresneck? Pass.
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 29, 2017 19:54:22 GMT -8
Don't want to clog up this thread by quoting some of the above posts. Couldn't agree more with Atown and a few others on this thread - the one and done body bag games for a payout to bean counter builder Bob (yes I know he is gone) was excruciating. Yes, I know if Serna had hit his kicks we would have beat LSU - big deal - one major national "almost" win, compared to how many losses?
I would love to see the program get to the point where we could consistently travel anywhere in the country and take on anyone and be competitive - but we aren't even close. And even if we are in the future, if you won't come to Reser - whether we seat 45k or 100k - then F you. Just my .02 cents worth
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Post by beaverstever on Aug 29, 2017 20:12:26 GMT -8
For me, I'm just stoked that GA has made getting stronger a priority. /s
Both or our lines got man-handled last weekend. Seriously, 3 years into that priority and that's what we get? To me, that's the bigger failure than the QB fiascos, shifting offensive identities, and defensive schemes that don't fit the personnel. Even if the CSU's of the world run around us, shouldn't we have at least been able to push them around a bit?!
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 29, 2017 20:18:08 GMT -8
Pac-12 is everything we will ever need, forever, to get us to the Playoffs. If we win the Pac-12, there is no way on this earth we are not one of the teams, unless we pull a Stanford ala 1997 and outright win the conference with a 8-4 record. Most of the time we agree man, but I'm not with you on this one. Stanford went 11-2 (8-1) in 2015 and played non-conference games against Northwestern, Central Florida, and 4th ranked Notre Dame, then beat 24th ranked USC in the championship game and was still left out of the CFP. Why? Because they're Stanford. They don't have a national following and they don't travel particularly well....sort of like us. If we ever get to the point where we ARE good enough to be considered for the CFP, we better have a resume that is flawless and that will have to include a win against a top tier out of conference opponent. BTW, Stanford won the Rose Bowl 45-16 over Iowa that year. that is true they were left out, but not because "they were Stanford"... Stanford was a two loss team, and Oklahoma, Michigan State and Alabama were all one loss teams, Clemson was undefeated. just an unlucky year on that front. OOC clearly didn't matter in that situation. GENERALLY, a solid team that wins the pac has a good shot at the playoffs. I will amend my statement. OOC likely isn't going to matter too much. being a 1 or 2 loss team at worse is what matters most.
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Post by tnarg33 on Aug 29, 2017 20:32:20 GMT -8
For me, I'm just stoked that GA has made getting stronger a priority. /s Both or our lines got man-handled last weekend. Seriously, 3 years into that priority and that's what we get? To me, that's the bigger failure than the QB fiascos, shifting offensive identities, and defensive schemes that don't fit the personnel. Even if the CSU's of the world run around us, shouldn't we have at least been able to push them around a bit?! This says everything you need to know about the Andersen era...not only has he failed in one priority, he's failed at pretty much all of them.
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 29, 2017 21:12:47 GMT -8
FWIW, I'd just like to point out that we have been the victims of unfortunate timing in playing OOC games vs Louisville, Cincinnati, TCU, Penn State, and Boise State. In all of those "series", our games have basically coincided with the "glory years" of said team's history (or recent history in the case of Penn State).
It's like getting Oregon State in an OOC game was the elixir teams needed to "show up" on the national scene.
That said, I've never been a fan of the "body bag" one-and-done games that Bob liked to schedule.
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